What a stupid fucking troll. I can't believe it took 2 whole posts to confirm. I'm slipping. Originally Posted by nwarounderYou go ahead and believe what you want. Just don't make the same mistake Zimmerman made.
I know what Iam talking about trust me. Zimmerman had the gun drawn the whole time. Think about this. Where was the Gun prior to the incident. Most likely either in his front waist band or his rear waist band. Once Zimmerman is on the ground. If the gun is in his front waist band Martin is partially sitting on it, if it is in the rear waist band Zimmerman is laying on it. How easy would it be to go for a weapon in that circumstance? Not to mention getting your head bashed in on the curb and punches to your face. Wouldn't a natural reaction be to put your hands up to deflect punches and so forth by your attacker. Instead Zimmerman was able to console himself under attack and reach either behind himself or reach through Martin and draw a weapon and fire a fatal shot. I tend to believe the gun was already drawn. Originally Posted by acp5762
lil' georgie promoted himself waaaaay above his level of competence. By the time that prosecutor gets through with him there won't be anything left to send off to jail. If he claims he was acting in a para-law enforcement role because of his self-appointed role as chief of neighborhood watch, she's gonna hang "reasonable suspicion" if not "probable casue" around his neck and drop him into the Gulf. Neither of them would have been in the position lil' georgie put them in if he had listened to professional law enforcement. lil georgie was defending nothing, he was pursuing a person who was not doing anything except the walking version of DWB. I'm not the bigfgest fan of saggin' and hoodies and all of that sh*t, but I have grown up to the point to where I know it's a bit iffy to kill someone over it. Originally Posted by Randy4CandyWell it's nice someone gets it.
The premise of this discussion is that Treyvon instigated the violence. It was acknowledged up front that we do not know that as a fact. The question then becomes did George have the right to shoot or did he have to sit there and endure the beating. Speaking as someone who is out of shape with no fighting skills I would use whatever means available to me to stop the beating as quickly as possible. If that means the guy that started the violence dies then to bad. Originally Posted by LazWe all have the right to defend ourselves. Unfortunately because of the Laws society has imposed on us we have to justify our actions in these cases. None of us have to endure a beating of any kind. This case in my mind can be justified only if Zimmerman can account for the fact that he tried every means possible to subdue his attacker. Don't think for a minute he doesn't have to show that his efforts went unaffective. Now once he has tried punching the guy, maybe even biting him, poking him in the eyes. None of this works he begins to fear for his life and is able to brandish a weapon and kills his assailant. Until I hear that he exhausted all means to subdue an unarmed suspect the idea of this case being Self Defense by Deadly Force in my opinion hangs in the balance. Another aspect of this case is how did these two meet. Should they have met. How much of Florida's Castle Doctrine applies to this case. Everyone seems to think that this altercation was just unbelievable and Zimmerman just could not have survived it without shooting Trayvon. I am not disputing that, I just haven't seen any hard core evidence or have heard any testimony of it. Thats my whole point.