how much info should i give for reference check?

What do I think, I think your not being realistic and have twisted a few things. Let me explain above. If he has to show any kind of personal information at all, it should only be to the very first provider to get started, thats it. not to every provider he see's.

What do you think?

CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

I haven't twisted a thing.

After we have an email address and a phone number, that's all the screening info a lady needs.

I agree. The BP girl is not the best lady to give your information to. But there are ladies that just need to know that you aren't a cop. Pure and simple. And I agree. Once you get screened by ONE provider, he should be able to build his repertoire from there. I've never had to fully screen a hobbyist unless he's been out of touch for a long time. I scared the shit out of an old client I saw for two years straight. "Baby, it's me! I promise!" But I have known a lady to be surprised by clients that way. One lady got robbed, and the other went to jail.

So let's spin it a different way:

Put yourself in a lady's shoes. Just for a second, cause I know they hurt.

He's not P411 verified and has no references. Are you newbie friendly? If you are, how would you screen him? Would you do the Dick check?

As it has been stated before, safety is relative... It's all about seeing ladies that are alert risk. I stick to p411 so I don't ever have to give my personal info out again... Imagine this scenario:

The seemingly perfect provider, with great intentions,could be keeping her clients personal info on her smart phone. She feels it is secure because she has to type a four digit pin before she can unlock and access it.

Then, she leaves her phone in the hotel room by accident. The made finds it and turns it in to the front desk. Unknown to her, the front desk guy suspects that she is a provider and takes her phone with him for a couple of hours. He then runs software to bypass the pass code and copy the contents of the phone... An hour or two later, her phone is safely in the hotel lost and found.

The provider gets her phone back and goes on her way. The guy at the desk now has the clients' personal info.

Fucked?

As it has been stated before, safety is relative... It's all about seeing ladies that are alert risk. I stick to p411 so I don't ever have to give my personal info out again... Imagine this scenario:

The seemingly perfect provider, with great intentions,could be keeping her clients personal info on her smart phone. She feels it is secure because she has to type a four digit pin before she can unlock and access it.

Then, she leaves her phone in the hotel room by accident. The made finds it and turns it in to the front desk. Unknown to her, the front desk guy suspects that she is a provider and takes her phone with him for a couple of hours. He then runs software to bypass the pass code and copy the contents of the phone... An hour or two later, her phone is safely in the hotel lost and found.

The provider gets her phone back and goes on her way. The guy at the desk now has the clients' personal info.

Fucked? Originally Posted by shlub

That evidence is inadmissible in court, so the front desk couldn't take it to the police. Running the software would probably kill that. But admittedly they could probably get a good investigation going. But I think that the ability to bypass the passcode is limited to government agencies any way. The hotel staff would probably be in bigger trouble invading a client's privacy without probable cause. If he thought she was a ho, he should have called the police during a visit from a supposed client.

Yes, it happens when girls that don't screen become verified providers via a male reference.

All the guys are taking their stances about what they wouldn't give. What do you suggest this newbie do?

Don't be vague. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I didn't think I was being vague.

Find a newbie friendly lady on eccie or p411 that does not want to see real life info on you. You do not have to resort to bp girls. They can be found on eccie and p411, I promise.

NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER give your real name, address, ss #, where you work, bank account info, your mamas name, your kids name, ect.

If the first girl don't suck seed, try try again, lol.

If they want that kind of info cross them off your list and try another.


I would NEVER ask, but if I did, would you let me see your drivers license Tiffani? Or your ss card? Honestly

He's not P411 verified and has no references. Are you newbie friendly? If you are, how would you screen him? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I am glad we both agree that BP is risky but I would never hobby again w/o P411 so we BOTH agree that he NEEDS P411 to even see newbie friendly. he get's 1 newbie friendly to verifiy him and he is on his way. maybe you missed my last post?
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson
So let's consider a scenario with the OP.

He OBVIOUSLY has no verifiable references, since per his first review he had a bad experience. And HOPEFULLY, had he had some good ones, he would have reviewed them too.

He gets on P411, and now he's got to find a newbie friendly girl, WHICH INVOLVES SCREENING so you know. Newbie friendly should mean that a lady is willing to screen for herself. She asks for too much, so now he backs off.

P411 Screens him also. Newbie friendly will ask for P411, Eccie Handle, a PM from both, an appointment request, an Email, and a phone number. Thats it !!!!!!!!!! (he is a newbie, no OK'S yet and she knows that) after session, if he was on the up & up, she will give him an OK so other providers can see. she don't ask for too much and he don't back off. everyone is happy. there are also girls that ask for 1,2,3,4,or 5 OK'S. these ladies want to call his references, which is the BEST SCREENING TOOL. make a phone call, talk to the last girl he has seen. IMHO, you only need 2 of these to be considered screened.

(Now this sounds like his current situation)
He goes back to Backpage, and finds a lady who is NOT registered on ECCIE, P411 and nowhere else. Now, in this digital age where people are getting all HR information online, she wants to see a check stub to verify against his ID. Seems simple enough, but what do you think of them apples?

I think those apples stink, I don't like BP, they don't have creditable girls there, and most providers won't use BP girls as a reference.

What do you think his natural next step is going to be?

A). A verifiable lady who's going to screen him, keep his information safe, and be an AWESOME reference for him later?

LMAO @ keep his information safe. How do clients know that? Do we ask providers for their personal information to keep safe for them? I thought so.

B). Another Backpage girl who doesn't require anything to meet so he would have to guess about the experience he's going to have?

You know my take on backpage girls.


Here is another scenerio which has happened before:
The client showed his paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, car lic plate or type of car. she saved it on her computer, this went on for sometime and she boasted about all her reviews. which was a very nice collection on her computer. then she got busted by LE and they confiscated her hard drive and used the info as leverage to get more info out of her about other things. and other sites. you been around long enough to hear about that. what do you think about that?

CG

I didn't think I was being vague.

Find a newbie friendly lady on eccie or p411 that does want to see real life info on you. You do not have to resort to bp girls. They can be found on eccie and p411, I promise.

NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER give your real name, address, ss #, where you work, bank account info, your mamas name, your kids name, ect.

If the first girl don't suck seed, try try again, lol.

If they want that kind of info cross them off your list and try another.


I would NEVER ask, but if I did, would you let me see your drivers license Tiffani? Or your ss card? Honestly Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

That is going a bit too far. But if you look at most verifiable, REPUTABLE ladies' website, all they need from you is a name, email and phone number as far as personal information goes.

I sound like a broken record: we just don't want to go to jail is all. Can you help us not go to jail? Pretty please?

You can tell those of us who are adamant about staying free. We don't bend on screening. The times girls get busted is from being desperate. Needing that money right away.

I am glad we both agree that BP is risky but I would never hobby again w/o P411 so we BOTH agree that he NEEDS P411 to even see newbie friendly. he get's 1 newbie friendly to verifiy him and he is on his way. maybe you missed my last post?
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson
So let's consider a scenario with the OP.

He OBVIOUSLY has no verifiable references, since per his first review he had a bad experience. And HOPEFULLY, had he had some good ones, he would have reviewed them too.

He gets on P411, and now he's got to find a newbie friendly girl, WHICH INVOLVES SCREENING so you know. Newbie friendly should mean that a lady is willing to screen for herself. She asks for too much, so now he backs off.

P411 Screens him also. Newbie friendly will ask for P411, Eccie Handle, a PM from both, an appointment request, an Email, and a phone number. Thats it !!!!!!!!!! (he is a newbie, no OK'S yet and she knows that) after session, if he was on the up & up, she will give him an OK so other providers can see. she don't ask for too much and he don't back off. everyone is happy. there are also girls that ask for 1,2,3,4,or 5 OK'S. these ladies want to call his references, which is the BEST SCREENING TOOL. make a phone call, talk to the last girl he has seen. IMHO, you only need 2 of these to be considered screened.

(Now this sounds like his current situation)
He goes back to Backpage, and finds a lady who is NOT registered on ECCIE, P411 and nowhere else. Now, in this digital age where people are getting all HR information online, she wants to see a check stub to verify against his ID. Seems simple enough, but what do you think of them apples?

I think those apples stink, I don't like BP, they don't have creditable girls there, and most providers won't use BP girls as a reference.

What do you think his natural next step is going to be?

A). A verifiable lady who's going to screen him, keep his information safe, and be an AWESOME reference for him later?

LMAO @ keep his information safe. How do clients know that? Do we ask providers for their personal information to keep safe for them? I thought so.

B). Another Backpage girl who doesn't require anything to meet so he would have to guess about the experience he's going to have?

You know my take on backpage girls.


Here is another scenerio which has happened before:
The client showed his paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, car lic plate or type of car. she saved it on her computer, this went on for sometime and she boasted about all her reviews. which was a very nice collection on her computer. then she got busted by LE and they confiscated her hard drive and used the info as leverage to get more info out of her about other things. and other sites. you been around long enough to hear about that. what do you think about that?

CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

How did she get busted if she screened?

How did she get busted if she screened? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

She was into OTHER things as well and was under surveilance.
(That is another reason why providers move around besides the nosy neighbors.)
Her hard drive info was leverage they used against her.
Hobbyists got caught up in it. So did CL
There are plenty more scenerio's of this same situation, remember atlanta issue?
Would you trust fellow hobbyists with all your personal information tiff?

Do you think we should still give all providers our paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, credit cards, bank accounts, business card with real life info, any personal info, car lic plate or type of car? Honestly?

Tiff, I hope we helped you understand why hobbyists don't want to hand over their personal information to a complete stranger just to get laid. That is a shame that a newbie provider, fresh from welcome wagon, with no P411, and no reviews, will ask us for more info then she has or is willing to show. like 3 references but she has nothing and she would decline the OP. I also hope we helped the OP in his quest for some great sexy ladies. with that said: I am still a STRONG believer that ANY provider should run her business the way she is comfortable with and hobbyists can choose whoever they want to spend their hard earned money on, and can get screened with, w/o all the hassel.

Hobby safe my friends,
CG

That is going a bit too far. But if you look at most verifiable, REPUTABLE ladies' website, all they need from you is a name, email and phone number as far as personal information goes.

I sound like a broken record: we just don't want to go to jail is all. Can you help us not go to jail? Pretty please?

You can tell those of us who are adamant about staying free. We don't bend on screening. The times girls get busted is from being desperate. Needing that money right away. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I don't have a problem giving my email to a lady. Or my hobby phone #. But I will not give my real life name. And even if I did give you a name how would you make sure it was my real name? Are you going to want to look at an id to make sure? That is where I draw the line.

I understand you don't want to go to jail. Can you understand I don't want a provider keeping or even knowing personal info about me? I am sorry but if I have a choice on seeing someone who does vs someone who does not want personal info on me I going with the one I feel safer with. Just like you should do, if you feel safer seeing somebody that doesn't mind showing you that kind of personal info than go with it. But I can assure you I won't be in that group.

I am not knocking you for it. You do what you gotta do girl. But I'm gonna take care of me. And I'm gonna advise other guys to do the same. Just like your gonna tell the ladies to do what you think is better for them. Both sides will eventually meet in the middle somewhere. Its bound to happen. We need eachother to make this hobby world to go around.

And you never answered my question.
I would NEVER ask, but if I did, would you let me see your drivers license or your ss card?

She was into OTHER things as well and was under surveilance.
(That is another reason why providers move around besides the nosy neighbors.)
Her hard drive info was leverage they used against her.
Hobbyists got caught up in it. So did CL
There are plenty more scenerio's of this same situation, remember atlanta issue?
Would you trust fellow hobbyists with all your personal information tiff?

Do you think we should still give all providers our paycheck stub, drivers lic. social security number, credit cards, bank accounts, business card with real life info, any personal info, car lic plate or type of car? Honestly?

Tiff, I hope we helped you understand why hobbyists don't want to hand over their personal information to a complete stranger just to get laid. I also hope we helped the OP in his quest for some great sexy ladies.

CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

Wooow. That is serious. You're talking about the P411 thing in Atlanta?

You didn't have to help me, darling. I don't expect to meet everyone, or to convince everyone that screening is okay. If I were a guy, I would use my head (or probably not, since I was a guy Kidding! Gosh!) and do my research. There are ladies who are treacherous and it shows. There are also ladies that don't mean hobbyists any harm. Those that want to meet me complete my screening process.

A verified REPUTABLE provider is always the way to go.

I don't have a problem giving my email to a lady. Or my hobby phone #. But I will not give my real life name. And even if I did give you a name how would you make sure it was my real name? Are you going to want to look at an id to make sure? That is where I draw the line.

I understand you don't want to go to jail. Can you understand I don't want a provider keeping or even knowing personal info about me? I am sorry but if I have a choice on seeing someone who does vs someone who does not want personal info on me I going with the one I feel safer with. Just like you should do, if you feel safer seeing somebody that doesn't mind showing you that kind of personal info than go with it. But I can assure you I won't be in that group.

I am not knocking you for it. You do what you gotta do girl. But I'm gonna take care of me. And I'm gonna advise other guys to do the same. Just like your gonna tell the ladies to do what you think is better for them. Both sides will eventually meet in the middle somewhere. Its bound to happen. We need eachother to make this hobby world to go around.

And you never answered my question.
I would NEVER ask, but if I did, would you let me see your drivers license or your ss card? Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

No, but I would never ask you or any gentleman to do the same.

As a man with references, it's easy to say that you'll never be screened or give out this information. I encourage you to do what's best for you. And no, I will let ladies do what's best for them. I can only vouch for myself. Everything about Tiffani Jameson exists with a client in mind. I've put myself in your shoes, and tailor our entire experience from beginning to end with you in mind.

You guys have yet to put yourselves in our shoes. How would you handle yourself if you were a companion? How do you keep yourself safe? These are the things you should ask yourself. And find a lady who would do what you would do.

Let's talk about how you got to where you are as a hobbyist that any woman would agree to see. How did you get your first vouch? Were you not screened?

No, but I would never ask you or any gentleman to do the same.

As a man with references, it's easy to say that you'll never be screened or give out this information. I encourage you to do what's best for you. And no, I will let ladies do what's best for them. I can only vouch for myself. Everything about Tiffani Jameson exists with a client in mind. I've put myself in your shoes, and tailor our entire experience from beginning to end with you in mind.

You guys have yet to put yourselves in our shoes. How would you handle yourself if you were a companion? How do you keep yourself safe? These are the things you should ask yourself. And find a lady who would do what you would do.

Let's talk about how you got to where you are as a hobbyist that any woman would agree to see. How did you get your first vouch? Were you not screened? Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Well Tiff if you wouldn't ask to see my dl or ss or want to know where I work and wanting to verify my real life name than we wouldn't have an issue, you and I would be good to go. That is the only problem I had with the op's delima. She was wanting personal info that I'm not willing to give. Or going to tell the op he should give. I totally agree that ladies should feel safe, if they don't than don't make the appt. Choose another guy that makes you feel better. Plain and simple, I would never talk shit about a lady for not seeing someone she didn't trust or for looking out for and taking care of herself.

As for when I got started, I didn't know of anywhere except bp and cl girls. And I hated it. I can't count the dissapointments, bait and switches, upsells, and times I just walked away. So yea there was no screening. Then one day a young lady from bp knowing that I left her very happy asked me to go to eccie and do a review on her. And that was that. I found eccie and p411 and haven't been back to those places since.

A bp girl that didn't screen got my foot in the eccie and p411 door. Bless her little fuckin heart. Lol

I've put myself in your shoes, and tailor our entire experience from beginning to end with you in mind.

You guys have yet to put yourselves in our shoes. How would you handle yourself if you were a companion? How do you keep yourself safe? These are the things you should ask yourself. And find a lady who would do what you would do. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

OK Tiff, I will give it a shot, it’s all in fun.

New Provider

I post in welcome wagon and tell ALL hobbyists that I screen and want 2 provider references, P411, Email, Name, Phone number, and Eccie handle (even though I am not verified, don’t have any reviews, website, or P411. I will use my girlfriends P411 to check his OK’s) I check his P411 profile and get his OK’s. I call both of his references and ask 100 questions. I tell him to PM me for Rates and activities. (while I check the going rate of veteran providers) When he PM’s me again, I tell him $$.5 per pecker (in case that 3 pecker guy calls) everything covered & no kissing. lol and bring me something to eat on your way, oh and I ran out of condoms, so stop and pick some up. I spend 15-min. eatting on his time. How did I do?

CG

And Tiff, in reply to the part about putting ourselves in yalls shoes. Honestly, I would probably not be newbie friendly. If I had a request from a gent I would research him on here. Check his reviews and contact a couple of the ladies. I would try and get a description of the guy. Height, weight, hair color, ect. And I would make sure that matched the guy I met.

I think if a guy has been here for a couple years, accumulated several reviews, and had a pretty good rep here I would feel a lot better about seeing him.

If he's calling the ladies bitches and hoes, talkin about barebackin, or if he signed up yesterday and has 1 post in the iso section, I would stay away.

As for when I got started, I didn't know of anywhere except bp and cl girls. And I hated it. I can't count the dissapointments, bait and switches, upsells, and times I just walked away. So yea there was no screening. Then one day a young lady from bp knowing that I left her very happy asked me to go to eccie and do a review on her. And that was that. I found eccie and p411 and haven't been back to those places since.

A bp girl that didn't screen got my foot in the eccie and p411 door. Bless her little fuckin heart. Lol Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

Exactly! That girl will be the one of the girls on here talking about getting busted and robbed and the kind of girl that can't be trusted with guys' information. Would you want him to take the risks you did trying to get to her?

The point is, whether it's Gina or a reputable provider, he's got to get screened. With a REPUTABLE provider, he's hit two birds with one stone.