What has become of all you people that used to complain so vehemently about Whispers and the "Attack Pack"? This section is more fucked up these last 6 months than it EVER was when you laid the problems on me!

No need for false modesty, Whispers. But Alicia just said that ... and oh so well.

beautifully said, alisha!

+12 (Alisha)

+12 (Alisha) Originally Posted by kSoze

sixx

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+ 1 / infinity way to really express YOURSELF !

I so have a hobby crush on Alisha

Whispers.....please...do not play innocent. It really is not going to work with me.

I never claimed to be innocent. This thread is about the current environment as it has developed over that last 6 months to a year, a time frame during which I and a few others have participated in CoED a fraction of the amount of time from the previous years.

You ARE to blame for the environment around this place. You and a handful of other folks. The least you can do, is own up to it, darling. Afterall, this is EXACTLY how you wanted this board to be, isn't it?

Not at all. I am not a proponent for the closing of threads and I prefer to see threads stay on topic. I've never been afraid to state my opinion or hide behind a false handle to post here the way many do. I am not one that believes people should be outed. I do not believe people that share private information with those meant to be excluded from it belong here. This place, lately, is nothing I care for.


Wasn't it you who claimed this board would never be anything like aspd was? At least as long as you had something to do with it?

In the beginning ASPD was a great place and ECCIE has it's moments..... I was pretty set on trying to see to it that people came to gether and voiced their dissent and get rid of some of the MODS that contributed to the problems...

How many times have you posted about making this board the way it "should be". In fact, I do believe you just mentioned it in this thread. How you should come back along with some of the others and turn the board back to the way it was. The way it was....was hostile! It is now, it was then. Nothing has changed!

Hostile for an entirely different set of principles it would seem.


In your reply above, you listed 3 things that you get on the defense about....so let's start with those 3, shall we?

1) Don't try to tell a client how he should spend his money.

Exactly....DON'T! It's not anybody's money but the one spending it. True? The day he/she is taking money out of your wallet (or any of the other naysayers)...is the day you can have a problem with it. Until then, where is the need to even be involved?

It is a polarizing subject and one I will always get involved in. The Forums allow for the discussion of topics. When there are threads that suggest how a guy spends his money there will be dissenting opinions.

2) Discussions regarding tips and gifts.

Again....how is it anybody's business (yours included) on what somebody decides to do with their own money? You have made it very clear what your opinion is on this.

And I and others will always make our opinion known on the subject when discussions about it come up. Every day hundreds of people find and read this site. What is an old worn out issue for many is fresh to a lot of others. I meet and exchange information with new people almost every week as a result of some post I make in the recent weeks.... People SELDOM take the time to look back...


In your eyes...we aren't worth the 250/hr we charge.

I have at times and probably will at times spend $250 for an hour with some young lady that provides. You do NOT find me posting in CoEd threads trying to tell ANY woman what she is worth or what some guy should pay. i DO bring discussions into OTHER forums, some private, on how and where to find cheaper alternatives to $250 an hour providers.

After all, everyone should be showing up at strip clubs and getting dinners and overnights for that rate, according to you. Again...is it your money he's spending?

****take note Whispers, I do actually read your posts***


For you to be making this argument you must be reading the Locker Room or the Sugar Daddy Forum as that is where MOST of my participation in those kind of discussion occur. There are some in the Strip Club forum but you seem to be aware of more.

However, my POINT, is that these are not discussions I make here in CoEd. So the idea that my opinions on pricing have an impact on the environment in CoEd is not valid.


3) Screening.

Honestly, I haven't seen much discussion about this really going on. I've read the controversies over lost phones, storing contacts, etc. And I (and most other women) have my own screening tactics that you will either accept or not. I won't be changing my ways anytime soon no matter who likes/dislikes it.

I was referring to my PAST participation and the kind of threads I tend to participate in.

The blatant threADS thing....

it's been said repeatedly, they are allowed. Just as the gents are allowed to call them out for what they are. I don't have any say/involvement in that. Go dig thru my posts...you won't find a threAD from me. In my eyes, they reek of desperation.

For that matter, I posted saying I would be out of the country for a week. Reposted I was home...and sixbach proceeded to call that a threAD. How in the hell is is a threAD if I'm not even in the country! And was I expected to be rude and not reply to the well-wishers that responded to the post?

Some take the threAD concept a bit farther than others in regards to what they call out. Your pointing this reply towards ME yet you will not find ME in that particular thread I believe. Nor can anyone blame me for the position sixxbach has taken on any subject. He is his own man and had been since ASPD. I've actually taken opposing positions to his a number of times in the last 8 months.


With that.....

A handful of folks, from the beginning, have made it a point to make this board anything but inviting for us ladies.

You all have made it very clear that's you don't care if we feel welcomed or comfortable.

I also do not care if I FEEL WELCOMED OR COMFORTABLE. I am a member and allowed to post so I do, You are an adult and fairly well spoken. Post as you wish. The problems lie in those that feel they deserve to have their say and not have to hear an opposing view. I stand by my views and could care less what anyone thinks.


Some basic psychology.....

When an environement is habitually hostile and controversial...it tends to lead everyone else to be the exact same way. It's a defense mechanism. Most feel if they aren't posting mean, nasty, calling them out on the carpet, catty posts....they just won't fit in here.

And it's been proven. Look at the posts/replies/read counts on the non-controversial folks...compared to threads such as these.

If you aren't hostile and controversial that way.....well, you just don't come around anymore. After all, why be somewhere you aren't wanted?

And You might not speak up on the flirtatious threads, as you say. But you sure as hell are a contributing factor to the hostility on this board. And you can't deny that.

Alisha...xoxo Originally Posted by Just Alisha

Well.. If my influence has managed to continue to be felt even though I have had little to say for quite some time.... Maybe it IS time I start to speak up and out some more.

I've never bee one to encourage hostility. Just the free exchange of information and opinions shared.

What too many week minded people tend to have a problem with is defending their point of view from an opposing opinion.

Alisha, I wish you posted more. I lile reading your stuff.

Whispers,

I've decided to not grab the above quote for the sheer fact it's just getting too damned long.

With that, you did NOT see me accuse you of everyone's behavior here. Including the fact that sixbach attached my Europe thread. My point was, how I feel I can't post here without the "attack pack"....as some so fondly call it, coming after me.

It just shows how someone who is normally so neutral (I'll take exception with this thread), can not post comfortably here without worrying about the consequences and actions from the more aggressive posters.

And as I said about the current environment....it's hostile now, and it was hostile then! I don't see how repeating myself here will get thru to you. I laid out the basic psychology for you, darling. You saddled out to make this an uncomfortable environment for most. And it still thrives today. With or without your daily presence.

And I'll even go to the extent to say it's not just us women. Have you noticed many prolific male posters don't come around anymore, either? Or that they stay in certain sections only? I can rattle off at least 3 very active reviewers who never partake in Coed anymore. Ever wonder why?

Oddly enough, I'm not really irritated by any of your opinions here on this board. It's YOUR way to hobby. That's fine, darling. Something I learned a long time ago....

"Don't let anyone take up real estate in your mind, if they aren't paying you rent"

I don't see any of you guys. So, why do I care what you all think? That doesn't bother me at all. It's how it's spread like a virus to many who used to be so likeable. And it's the way many sit in wait to pounce on those who truly are just innocent posters who just want a place to go and feel like they're part of a community with like-minded individuals. Warts and all. This is my entire point.

And I take extreme exception to the fact that you are accusing me of having access to boards I'm not a part of. (mens locker, etc). On more than one occassion you have sat on this board, right here, and boasted about spending the night with a stripper for 300 bucks and got dinner, overnight, etc...and how that is what you expect. As I told you, I do read your posts. (and obviously I need to make this clearer....I read the posts I have access to)

You and I have been having quite a civil debate here. I don't appreciate the below-the-belt insinuation trying to deflect from the issue at hand.

I'm a firm believer in NOT biting the hand that feeds you. Not once have you heard me disrespect the owners/moderators for allowing what goes on here. I have NEVER even received a verbal warning or infraction for breaking any rules here. I respect the rules here and every other board I'm a member of. That's a common courtesy. I am very much aware of the fact that being a member here is a priviledge....not a right. I surely would never take that for granted.

I do appreciate all the support I have been given here and in private regarding this matter. To know there are others who feel the same, makes the time/energy I have spent on this matter more than worthwhile.

As I said from the beginning. I don't expect my opinions to change anything. I just felt the need to finally speak up about what I feel is truly going on here. Many agree...and that's fine. And many disagree....and that's fine too. It would be a mighty boring place if we all thought the same.

With that....It's time for me to graciously bow out of this conversation. I have an obligation that will keep me quite occupied for the next 24 hours. And I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate me being here

And then a plane to catch to get me back home.

Just remember....a little bit of kindness and compassion goes a long way.

Alisha...xoxo

I've concluded 3 things from this long winded useless thread. Whispers really needs to get a life because he has nothing better to do than write them. Sixxbach STILL has his nose stuck up Whispers ass applauding everything he does. Alisha is one intelligent, articulate provider that I havent seen yet that's got them all figured out.

I do not think this thread has been useless. Actually quite revealing.

new around im lost

What upsets me the most is how our KEYBOARD WARRIORS have run off MOST of our interesting INTELLIGENT female contributors.

DG4 Originally Posted by dog soldier 4

And I'll even go to the extent to say it's not just us women. Have you noticed many prolific male posters don't come around anymore, either? Or that they stay in certain sections only? I can rattle off at least 3 very active reviewers who never partake in Coed anymore. Ever wonder why?

That's a common courtesy. I am very much aware of the fact that being a member here is a priviledge....not a right. I surely would never take that for granted.
Just remember....a little bit of kindness and compassion goes a long way.

Alisha...xoxo Originally Posted by Just Alisha

I do not think this thread has been useless. Actually quite revealing. Originally Posted by davidsmith0123

I did not participate in ASPD, Ever!, although a member for many years. When I first joined this site it was very tame by comparison, in fact inviting. I have been a contributing member here for years. Up until the "Keyboard Warriors" and "Bro's Before Ho's" mentality took over the boards. As Whispers stated above - thread hijacks, inflexible opinions causing verbal accusations, outing personal information, pissing contests, and negativity that is never ending --> DRAMA!!!! Alisha mentioned searching 30 or more threads seeking out one that cannot/would not be "Controversial" and a participation may be "Accepted " without retaliation from another member... I also have not found a thread where participation would be considered contributing. I won't consider choosing sides as this thread develops, as will typically happen it will be de-railed by single minded self centered individuals who cannot think past their own little worlds.
Whispers
Alisha
Thank both of you for your opinions and contributions.

+1

What upsets me the most is how our KEYBOARD WARRIORS have run off MOST of our interesting INTELLIGENT female contributors.

DG4 Originally Posted by dog soldier 4

I'm trying to understand something here. You'd be happier if things were back to the way they were? Picking fights, demeaning providers and other members and spreading rumors?

I haven't participated in this forum in a long time. But I can tell you that there's very little fun and pleasure to the hobby On ECCIE when one group of posters attacks another.

No blue ribbon for telling the truth or calling the other guy or girl a liar, or worse.

If you want to call each other names, hurl insults or accuse them of forbidden topics,there are places on ECCIE to do that.

Thanks for reminding us all why it's better to fuck than fight.