Because profits are their prophets.
TC
- topcat19542001
- 06-24-2010, 01:40 PM
- guest042912
- 06-24-2010, 01:41 PM
You republcans sure like to send Americans to die for no reason but if there is a chance to help Americans you say fuck them, let them find their own way out of the hole!
A party of douchebags!
A party of douchebags!
- Sweet Heather
- 06-24-2010, 02:09 PM
Damn right! Ain't he an ugly little bastard!If your avatar didn't have that makeup or whatever smeared on his face I wouldn't find the pic or captions offensive. And what "grotesque" avatar do you speak of, sir?
But I'm bewildered, "Sweet"
Somehow I had gotten the notion you are inordinately fond of grotesque avatars. How did that happen? Originally Posted by Don T. Lukbak
- Don T. Lukbak
- 06-24-2010, 03:51 PM
If your avatar didn't have that makeup or whatever smeared on his face I wouldn't find the pic or captions offensive. And what "grotesque" avatar do you speak of, sir? Originally Posted by Sweet Heather
Surely you don't propose a real Sicilian smile (like the Gypsies gave Gwynplaine in V. Hugo's The Man Who Laughs). That would be wrong, and even American pop culture is fine with greasepaint. Clowns are always terrifying when you get to the bone of the matter. Who ever has sweet dreams about clowns? Nightmares every time.
But bilateral symmetry is pretty boring, I admit. The lopsided Sicilian that Lord Haw Haw wore to the gallows was much more interesting.
We digress, SH. How 'bout all those docs rushing into retirement! Those kwazy wascals.
SARAH, Bumbaye!
- guest042912
- 06-24-2010, 04:06 PM
Sweet Heather, Don T. Fagback is like Ursus' wolf= Homo.
- topcat19542001
- 06-24-2010, 04:12 PM
- Don T. Lukbak
- 06-24-2010, 04:37 PM
YEP, he definitely put on his goofy shoes when he came up with that Medicare Part D entitlement. As if we weren't doing just fine without that bullshit. But it made AARP happy, peddling their "plans" and denying all the good stuff like a mofo. I got Plan D, but I have to go retail outside the damn plan if I want to get stuff that actually works...the friggin' functionaries at the plan never even heard of some of the stuff my quack makes me eat. But that stuff works good.
At least I am still free to buy outside the plan on my own. For now.
At least I am still free to buy outside the plan on my own. For now.
- LittleSpike
- 06-24-2010, 06:06 PM
Would all of you guys (and gals) shut up for a minute, and stop hurling word bombs at each other. If you believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then you are my brother (or sister), no matter what your party affiliation. Both parties have worked hard to shred these documents, and plunge us into a government run police state. I'm black, and I voted for Obama, and I was amazed that America had reached a stage of maturity in which a "black" person could be elected president. However, I hate the policies that this administration has fostered on the American people, just as I hated the policies that came out of the proceeding Bush administration. You cannot be loyal to either party, and at the same time be loyal to the country. Both parties have had a hand in it's destruction.
Let's find some solutions to the current crises, that go beyond party labels.
LS
Let's find some solutions to the current crises, that go beyond party labels.
LS
- Luvagoodmassage
- 06-24-2010, 06:12 PM
This thread is a prime example of why democrats and republicans will NEVER find common ground.
- topcat19542001
- 06-24-2010, 06:16 PM
- Sweet Heather
- 06-24-2010, 06:52 PM
If you believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then you are my brother (or sister), no matter what your party affiliation.Well said. I agree. We arer ALL Americans, and justly proud of it.______________________________ ______________________________ ___
I'm black, and I voted for Obama, and I was amazed that America had reached a stage of maturity in which a "black" person could be elected president. I am also proud that our wonderful country has reached a point that a woman or person of color can be President.
You cannot be loyal to either party, and at the same time be loyal to the country. Both parties have had a hand in it's destruction.Well said, and a good point IMO.
Let's find some solutions to the current crises, that go beyond party labels.You sir, are a true American patriot, and I stand with you. Originally Posted by LittleSpike
- guest042912
- 06-24-2010, 07:05 PM
I'm loyal go this country first but I'm not gonna be a pussy when I see someone lying or saying that we are actually the enemy. So excuse me, if I see this country who I would fight and die for, being maligned by two pussies who never had the balls to stand up for this country. So fuck em.
- Don T. Lukbak
- 07-04-2010, 12:19 PM
Socialized medical schemes are always and everywhere just dandy.......
as long as you ain't sick.
Can you say: Death Panels?
Health law risks turning away sick
By Julian Pecquet - 07/01/10 07:13 PM ET
The Obama administration has not ruled out turning sick people away from an insurance program created by the new healthcare law to provide coverage for the uninsured.
Critics of the $5 billion high-risk pool program insist it will run out of money before Jan. 1, 2014. That’s when the program sunsets and health plans can no longer discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions.
Administration officials insist they can make changes to the program to ensure it lasts until 2014, and that it may not have to turn away sick people. Officials said the administration could also consider reducing benefits under the program, or redistributing funds between state pools. But they acknowledged turning some people away was also a possibility.
“There’s a certain amount of money authorized in the statute, and we will do our best to make sure that that amount of money insures as many people as possible and does as much good as possible,” said Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). “I think it’s premature to say [what happens] when it’s gone.”
The administration has not discussed asking Congress for more money down the line if the $5 billion runs out before Jan. 1, 2014. Uninsured sick people could start applying for participation in the high-risk insurance pools on Thursday.
Healthcare experts of all stripes warned during the healthcare debate that $5 billion would likely not last until 2014. Millions of Americans cannot find affordable healthcare because of their pre-existing conditions, and that amount would only cover a couple hundred thousand people, according to a recent study by the chief Medicare actuary.
Republicans continued to hammer that point on Thursday, asking HHS officials to brief them about the program.
We are “deeply concerned that these pools may not provide quality coverage or will limit enrollment,” Reps. Joe Barton (R-Texas), John Shimkus (R-Ill.) and Michael Burgess (R-Texas), the ranking members on the Energy and Commerce panel and its health and oversight subcommittees, wrote in a letter to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
The letter requests a briefing on high-risk pools by July 15, particularly on three topics: protections and services in place “to make sure that access is efficient and unimpeded; whether HHS believes the program is financially sustainable through 2013; and details about how each state’s pool will be administered and what options they’ll have available.”
Leading health reform advocate Ron Pollack, founding executive director of Families USA, said the pools were a “very imperfect tool that could be implemented quickly” but were the best option available for the interim period before 2014.
“The pools are going to be helpful for a significant number of people,” he told The Hill, “but nobody thought they’re the ultimate answer for helping people with pre-existing conditions.”
Still, he didn’t rule out that Families USA could press lawmakers to allocate more money in a few years if it looks like the program needs it.
Each state has a certain budget allocation for its pool, and the first step to stay under budget would be to shift money around between states that don’t see a lot of applicants and those that do, said Richard Popper, deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at HHS.
“If we have that situation where we have strong demand in one state and not as strong demand in another state, the secretary of HHS after a year or two has the authority to reallocate the funding,” said Popper, who used to run Maryland’s high-risk pool.
“Along with that, we can work with the states to adjust their benefit structure, the deductibles, the co-pays, the overall plan structure to address some of those cost drivers, again to help the plan make it to 2014, when it will no longer be needed.”
In addition, Popper said, many people won’t be able to afford to participate in the program since premiums will range between about $140 and $900 a month, depending on applicants’ age and where they live. HHS estimates that at least 200,000 people will be in the program at any one time. To be eligible, applicants have to be citizens or nationals of the United States or be lawfully present; have a pre-existing medical condition; and have been uninsured for at least six months before applying for the high-risk pool plan.
“There are going to be meaningful premiums that are going to be required to stay in this plan — premiums in the hundreds of dollars every month,” Popper said. “There are a significant number of people out there with pre-existing conditions who are uninsured, but a significant number of those people ... also have limited income. And some of them, while they may need this plan, the premiums may not be something they can afford.
“We have that to think about as well,” he added. “But for those who can afford it, this is going to be a great, great plan.”
If it looks like too many people are signing up — states will get monthly updates on how many people they can cover with the money they have left — there’s always the option of turning people down.
The bill “does give the secretary authority to limit enrollment in the plan ... nationally or on a state-by-state basis,” Popper said. “So that is present, but at this point, we’re starting with no one in the plan as of today ... so we don’t see that happening anytime soon.”
Source:
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/106887-health-law-risks-turning-away-sick
E Pluribus Triage
as long as you ain't sick.
Can you say: Death Panels?
Health law risks turning away sick
By Julian Pecquet - 07/01/10 07:13 PM ET
The Obama administration has not ruled out turning sick people away from an insurance program created by the new healthcare law to provide coverage for the uninsured.
Critics of the $5 billion high-risk pool program insist it will run out of money before Jan. 1, 2014. That’s when the program sunsets and health plans can no longer discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions.
Administration officials insist they can make changes to the program to ensure it lasts until 2014, and that it may not have to turn away sick people. Officials said the administration could also consider reducing benefits under the program, or redistributing funds between state pools. But they acknowledged turning some people away was also a possibility.
“There’s a certain amount of money authorized in the statute, and we will do our best to make sure that that amount of money insures as many people as possible and does as much good as possible,” said Jay Angoff, director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). “I think it’s premature to say [what happens] when it’s gone.”
The administration has not discussed asking Congress for more money down the line if the $5 billion runs out before Jan. 1, 2014. Uninsured sick people could start applying for participation in the high-risk insurance pools on Thursday.
Healthcare experts of all stripes warned during the healthcare debate that $5 billion would likely not last until 2014. Millions of Americans cannot find affordable healthcare because of their pre-existing conditions, and that amount would only cover a couple hundred thousand people, according to a recent study by the chief Medicare actuary.
Republicans continued to hammer that point on Thursday, asking HHS officials to brief them about the program.
We are “deeply concerned that these pools may not provide quality coverage or will limit enrollment,” Reps. Joe Barton (R-Texas), John Shimkus (R-Ill.) and Michael Burgess (R-Texas), the ranking members on the Energy and Commerce panel and its health and oversight subcommittees, wrote in a letter to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
The letter requests a briefing on high-risk pools by July 15, particularly on three topics: protections and services in place “to make sure that access is efficient and unimpeded; whether HHS believes the program is financially sustainable through 2013; and details about how each state’s pool will be administered and what options they’ll have available.”
Leading health reform advocate Ron Pollack, founding executive director of Families USA, said the pools were a “very imperfect tool that could be implemented quickly” but were the best option available for the interim period before 2014.
“The pools are going to be helpful for a significant number of people,” he told The Hill, “but nobody thought they’re the ultimate answer for helping people with pre-existing conditions.”
Still, he didn’t rule out that Families USA could press lawmakers to allocate more money in a few years if it looks like the program needs it.
Each state has a certain budget allocation for its pool, and the first step to stay under budget would be to shift money around between states that don’t see a lot of applicants and those that do, said Richard Popper, deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight at HHS.
“If we have that situation where we have strong demand in one state and not as strong demand in another state, the secretary of HHS after a year or two has the authority to reallocate the funding,” said Popper, who used to run Maryland’s high-risk pool.
“Along with that, we can work with the states to adjust their benefit structure, the deductibles, the co-pays, the overall plan structure to address some of those cost drivers, again to help the plan make it to 2014, when it will no longer be needed.”
In addition, Popper said, many people won’t be able to afford to participate in the program since premiums will range between about $140 and $900 a month, depending on applicants’ age and where they live. HHS estimates that at least 200,000 people will be in the program at any one time. To be eligible, applicants have to be citizens or nationals of the United States or be lawfully present; have a pre-existing medical condition; and have been uninsured for at least six months before applying for the high-risk pool plan.
“There are going to be meaningful premiums that are going to be required to stay in this plan — premiums in the hundreds of dollars every month,” Popper said. “There are a significant number of people out there with pre-existing conditions who are uninsured, but a significant number of those people ... also have limited income. And some of them, while they may need this plan, the premiums may not be something they can afford.
“We have that to think about as well,” he added. “But for those who can afford it, this is going to be a great, great plan.”
If it looks like too many people are signing up — states will get monthly updates on how many people they can cover with the money they have left — there’s always the option of turning people down.
The bill “does give the secretary authority to limit enrollment in the plan ... nationally or on a state-by-state basis,” Popper said. “So that is present, but at this point, we’re starting with no one in the plan as of today ... so we don’t see that happening anytime soon.”
Source:
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/106887-health-law-risks-turning-away-sick
E Pluribus Triage
- Don T. Lukbak
- 07-08-2010, 04:07 PM
- punisher
- 07-09-2010, 01:29 AM