Earnings

A lot of providers get government assistance. I think I just read that. I am going to throw up.

Anyone in sales has to go a lot of bullshit calls and crap and sieve through the bs. That is a given .Then we pay taxes on that. 30% gone. Originally Posted by Htowner

+1000

And providers ought to appreciate that those "sales" by hobbyists pay the bills. I have to schedule my non-business appointments around my income earning appointments, and if I have scheduled a "non-business" appointment and I get a call from a "customer" who wants to pay my bills, plus my non-business" activities for the next couple of months and I cannot push that "sales" meeting off to make the non-business appointment I have already scheduled, then guess what? I am going to have to cancel the "non-business" meeting.

Business people understand that reality.

A lot of providers get government assistance. I think I just read that. I am going to throw up. Originally Posted by KatieKatieNYC

That can happen when folks are "off the tax grid."

^it is gross. I can't say anything else without getting annoyed.

I think guys that ask about providers earnings are either envious or jealous. Providers don't NEED a higher education after high school to proved their service. (Although I knew a provider with a Phd. She made way more providing then her Phd area of expertise.) Providers can easily make $200-$300K/year. Assuming no kids, school, and/or civilian jobs. I make close to seven figures annually , but it took me ten years before I broke into the six figure income bracket. So unless "Daddy" owns the company I don't know of any job that can provide a six figure income right out of high school. So envious or jealous? I don't care how much they earn, I just enjoy the ladies and to each their own.

I am not envious, jealous, or hate anyone for making it. More power to them. I hope they make more than what we think or imagine. I couldn't do it. Like I said, I have met a few of hobbyists and the thought of seeing them naked is enough to appreciate what these women do let alone imagine activities with them which I would rather not do this late at night. It will give me nightmares.

It is a valid topic. In this day and age of customer service in every turn and every profession , you can expect a lot more reliability than NC/NS, changed phone numbers, communications ignored, inconsistencies in service,....etc. Some ymmv is the nature of the beast but attitude, certain habits and the basic mind set in many cases leaves much to be desired for a group who calls themselves 'professionals' and make more than 80-90% of one of the wealthiest populations in the world. This is obviously a generalization but common enough to warrant it.

Supply is not that limited. Good supply is .

We are not stupid. That is why we have disposable income. We do know what we are dealing with and why the consistency in service level is not like a regular industry but we do put up with a lot of shit in this hobby we don't otherwise do in a regular industry. Deny it all you want.

It is not envy or hate. Once in a while it is good to put things in perspective to compare to the outside world to see what level of service should be expected. Reality is not really our friend here so we can use all the help we can get. Hence the income level is very relevant, as rarely as it comes up. The bar is set so low , you can have to dig it out.

I like football and I like hobbying. The highly paid performers are highly paid because nobody else can fill the spot. Certain genetics are involved and required as well as some good work habits and a little luck won't hurt either. Alas, both live in their own bubble. They have never made anything in the real world and don't need to concern themselves with it. They have done what they have done and nothing but . It amazes you to read or hear about certain decisions they have made in their lives but they don't really have life experiences, work experiences and so forth like a main stream person. So the reality check can come very helpful to them understanding what the rest of the world is made of.

Hold up! If a woman takes six appointments a week, that DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO DEFINING HOW MUCH SHE WORKS.

Let's take just one appointment. First off, she has to get to her incall at LEAST fifteen minutes early to cool the place down and change. I personally got there a half an hour early. Then, if you think the client leaves right at sixty minutes, think again. I never minded. In fact it was part of my customer service. So say they are out of there in ninety minutes. We're at two hours. Then I had to clean up: do a load of laundry, empty out the trash can, etc.

If she doesn't have a housekeeper like I did, then she has to spend three or four hours a week cleaning her place. And once a week you have to go buy expense items for the incall like water, liquor, soft drinks, wine, laundry detergent and softener, soaps and shampoos, mouth wash, an assortment of anti-perspirant, T/P, etc. That takes another two to three hours.

Putting up your ads one a week takes about two hours a week. Marketing however takes more time. Posting on sites such as this take a lot of time.

I'm not saying working girls a forty hour work week, but we don't work less than ten either. And as an aside, we don't work on 100% profit either.

Back to the topic, yes, a grand a day average can be done. However, a grand a day was five days a week. I almost never ever worked on weekends. You need a well groomed client list to do it though. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

What percentage of the population you live among, have housekeepers? Really. People work a full time job, have several kids and run the household without housekeepers. I suppose next you want to tell us how much the gardener, chauffeur, the cook and the personal valet cost too.
Two hours of typing an ad a week on the computer is that strenuous ? Not like you don't cut and paste the last ad and hit submit in ten second flat. I bet most spend hours on the Facebook with no problems.
Do you honestly think most of us don't have to put our own time in training, meeting, commute , travel and so forth in addition to our work?

Here is a tip if you are not making what you are supposed to :
You have over rated yourself
You have under rated yourself
You are lazy
You have bad habits
Window of opportunity for this business is closing.
Take too many disappearances due to variety of reasons
Your business partner is getting the best of you
Burned too many bridges and can't swim worth of shit

Common sense goes on

Pilots or surgeons have a limited number of years to work and they have to go through years of extensive and expensive training just to get there . No different a reality as it is for other professions.

There is a reason some have to raise their rate because they can't handle the traffic while others have to hustle after a long time in business.
If you have chosen to be low volume , then it is your choice not the potential we are talking about here and that is fine.

A lady recently told me that before she became inactice she could make $1000/day consistently. I supect this to be one of those not so true statements. At that rate of income, she wouldn't be using notel motels. If motel fees were $20/hr with three customers a day, she could rent a room by the week or better have an apartment as an incall. I suspect that many providers are only doing one or two appointments a week. That would give them just enough to live on IF they aren't frivilous with funds. Now I know none of the ladies are going to get on here and admit that business is slow to non existent and that 80% of their clients aren't regulars but one time shots. However, I was just wondering if any of you had thought about the income levels of providers? Originally Posted by heinz5710

My question is why does it matter to you?
I will tell you that the amount of clients you think a providers sees every day or week is very far from reality.

I can only speak for a few friends of mine .they are "high caliber" and make 30k cash at the end of the year,but they don't pay for rent,food,and clothes, lux trips and traveling .The trips they go one add up to atleast 40k. What sucks is they don't have insurance for health issues. One of the girls had an infection from her new 2s and had no cash on hand to pay for emergency fees. I took care of her at the end of the day.

Absurd question asked of providers as to income earned. Providers should ask clients for 3 years of tax returns to determine what the client should pay. I certainly don't go into my local sandwich shop and request their income statements for the past three months to ascertain their cash flow nor do I ask to see their monthly liabilities in determining their need to sell a sandwich. It's no one's business what a provider earns nor is it any concern of the client what expenses they may or may not have. It's the provider's "business" and they are free to run it in the manner they see fit.

Some guys are obsessed with how much girls make because they are mad they have to pay for a service.

lol @18emily! yes!

It is a valid topic. Originally Posted by Htowner

Let's flip it on you. How much do you make in year What's the next top ladies how many clients do you see in day oh wait some gent has asked that question b4

It's none of our business, really! Originally Posted by kerwil62

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What you make = how many clients you see= 50/50. Thats kinda the fun part. A provider wakes up not knowing if its gonna be a $400 day or a $1400 day. Its like a box of chocolates lol.... Well I'm sure more if we had Valerie's body and reputation in the porn industry. But talking from a normal chubby girls perspective, thats the way it is. I see about 5 clients a week, but NOW I have some help with my bills, last year I didn't. Was a different story then. I decided I didn't want to eat, sleep, and drink hooking anymore. Every provider is different and you will never figure us out or how much we make because it constantly changes.

Some guys are obsessed with how much girls make because they are mad they have to pay for a service. Originally Posted by 18Emily

lol @18emily! yes! Originally Posted by Kammye

Really ? We have been paying longer than you have been getting paid . You are mad because someone is sticking reality in your face and the light is blinding you holding you responsible and accountable and those are really not the attributes of your life style. We are very well aware of it but there is a limit to the amount of shit a man would take from a woman , paid or so called unpaid. We pay for it one way or another. Why? Because we can , the same as yours. However there are many who are taking care of their business as you post here. I am off today.So I am posting too.

Let's flip it on you. How much do you make in year What's the next top ladies how many clients do you see in day oh wait some gent has asked that question b4 Originally Posted by Thatdude

Well I am not the one selling anything here and not responsible for the customer service . I am the customer here.
However since you asked , I am held responsible very heavily at my job for customer service . In fact I get fined as a percentage of my pay when my CSI score drops below the average and rewarded when it is higher. And it is public knowledge on its related sights , just as ladies' are on this site.

Returning calls , emails and texts is what I do on time , every time the best I can . That is just common courtesy , personal or business. I spend months with some clients only to be sold down the river for a $100 and sometimes I get the business for a lousy $200 BEFORE TAX. And yes some of that tax does go to some ladies as the poster from NY mentioned it.
The point being I have to treat every client as he or she would buy something from me. Even if they don't and are pissed off , there are repercussions. After the sale I still have to take care of them for years, not just an hour!
Sometimes I don't see any , and sometimes I see four or five but I have to treat every client as he is my last one on earth because that is how he wants to be treated while I am with him. He deserves it. I am not the only one selling what I sell. No monopoly here.

I do realize we are the toughest clients for these ladies here on these kind of boards , constantly holding them responsible for a variety of criteria. The average out of towner is glad to see the pictures are real, he is not robbed and gets a nut and smile on his face. Apparently there are not enough of them for the risk involved.

I am trying to get my own clientele by giving them the best service I can so I don't depend on every day traffic and eventually not need them.
That should be the goal for the ladies too as I see it. Their window of opportunity is a lot smaller than mine but it is hard to picture that when you are 18 .

I hope most improve their service and communication practice to make more money and make life easier for us but it is highly doubtful based on the history . Some move on to build a great client base where they have to raise their rates to manage the traffic and some will wait for the phone to ring by a stranger for decades to come . It is their choice. Looking at long term is scary. Not everyone can do it.