Question about "NO AA Men"???

The NBA issue bugged me a while back, so I emailed multiple ladies to ask why....
http://gingerontour.wordpress.com/20...-the-nba-rule/ Originally Posted by GingerMcNaughty

Very well said in your letter !

Not this again.

The NBA issue bugged me a while back, so I emailed multiple ladies to ask why....
http://gingerontour.wordpress.com/20...-the-nba-rule/ Originally Posted by GingerMcNaughty

You are correct, melatonin has no bearing on this....maybe melanin but not the sleep hormone.

Okay ... let me take a stab at this.

First - I am intensely turned on by sexually promiscuous, nasty, bad girls who have few boundaries and are attracted to a wide range of men. So in this - a provider who sees Black men is, to me, a feature - not a bug. In fact, one day I may talk LAT into doing a MMF with me - or a MMFF orgy kind of thing. I generally think that interracial intimacy is HOT. When I see a girl with the "NO AA" placard - I usually think first thing ... "well, she's prolly a little too stuffy for me". Doesn't mean I won't see her - IF she has great reviews and I think we'll click. However, I have never seen a provider who was "NO AA" here in the states. Overseas, one of my favorite providers was a Russian Courtesan born in St. Petersburg who would not see Black men or Middle Eastern men. She disdained Middle Eastern men with a passion (as most Euro escorts do) ... and she was also a professional working in the field of psychiatry - so escorting was simply a hobby to her and she picked and chose who she wanted to see.

Now - having said the above ...

1. Every girl in this profession should be treated like GOLD. There are precious few, really liberated women who understand the male / female dynamic and realize that their time is WORTH SOMETHING to us men. I believe that it's women who make normal men into BETTER men. I think a real reason that the state of manhood is in such a shitty state is so-called "free" women who give it away for free without demanding a sacrifice from men. Everything I do is for women - and when they demand things from me - brings out the better in me by forcing me to work harder to gain their affections. So every girl in this business should be respected whether she sees Black men or not.

2. Every girl is in this on her own. Escorts DO NOT enjoy equal protection under the law. They face arrest, imprisonment ... and violence by idiotic clients. Whatever screening methods a woman chooses - if they work for her - 'nuff said.

3. Guys seem to think that the business model for an escort is the same as McDonalds - "Millions and Millions Served" ... this is NOT the case. There are part time providers - a lot of them. Many are single mothers. Many are simply too scared or cautious to see every Tom, Dick and Harry. If, at the end of the day, a girl's goals are met - that's the only thing that matters. If she wants to see one client a week - that's fine if it works for her.

4. White providers should not be painted as "racist" as long as there is a significant number of Black providers who will also NOT see black men. Surf backpage - you'll find them. Those black women, who will not see black men - will be better able to articulate the reasons why some providers won't see black men.

5. It's not just black men - providers discriminate in all kinds of way. Some will not see you if they know you've seen a TS - or if you're into some other "kink" that they find a turn-off.

6. I'm convinced that a lot of FBSM providers are simply girls who can't stand to be intimate with obese - or gross men. Look at the reviews - a hot guy comes in - and she jumps on him for FS. A fat comes in - and he gets a hand job. Soooo - for some women, like Chella (who I realize wasn't an FBSM provider) attraction IS a part of the equation that effects their ability to provide the ILLUSION of attraction - which is what escorts do, folks - they provide an illusion - not the real thing. Personally, there is a very narrow spectrum of black women that I am attracted to and I am not attracted to the rest. This isn't racism ... it's just how it is. I have never been with a black woman - but I do intend to pop the cherry one day.

7. When I travel to Japan - there are a significant number of soaplands and Japanese escorts who will not see me - because I am a White American. This is because - some asshole Americans have caused them some problems. Of course, that's a minority of American men but what can you do about it? Nothing - look elsewhere.

8. Any WHITE guy who will not see a provider simply because she sees black men is objectifying women the same way he'd objectify a toilet - or a water fountain ... and if I were a provider - I would not see that guy because it says HEAPS about that guy's attitude toward women.

9. When I go to my German FKK - there aren't many Americans, so when I see a provider I shower her with generosity and kindness - JUST TOO BOOST her attitude toward American men. There's a language barrier - and cultural barriers - and that makes Americans a bit more work for those girls - so when a girl agrees to see me, I take care of her to an extent above and beyond the call. Think guys hate me here? Pfft! The regular Euro men in OASE in Frankfurt get pissed when I walk in the door - because they know I'll pay the girls twice the regular fee. Fuck 'em - it's their problem - I like having my pick of the girls ... and I DO get my pick because they run to me when I'm there - not the cheapskates. I would recommend that Black men do likewise when they find one of those providers who will see AA's. Take care of those girls and the word will spread around.

10. There are QUITE A FEW VERY AWESOME AA clients on this board with great reputations - I would further recommend that you still contact a girl - even if she doesn't see Black men - to see if she will make an exception. Schedule a multi-hour appointment ... or whatever. I don't think these girls are racists - and if you can "seduce" one into seeing you - then that is likely to cause her to rethink her "No AA" policy in the future if you treat her right.

In the end - it's up to the girl - it's not our place to tell her, or even criticize, how she runs HER business. She's taking the risk and she's doing the best she can - each and every girl out there. An old engineer I used to know who was in charge of the nuke plant on my first boat had a sign hanging in his stateroom ....

"EVERY TIME I GO AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGEMENT I GET FUCKED."

This is, what I think, should be "RULE #1" for every escort. So I will not criticize a girl for exercising her judgement to protect herself - even if I don't agree with it. I have lived with a provider myself for two years - and I've seen countless others. Still - I'm not an escort and have not walked in these women's shoes - who am I to tell them they are wrong?

That they arent attractive, Im just not sexually attracted, so hell no I wont be with that person. Whether or not you do not believe it, I know it to be true because its how I personally feel. I have a very good friend who is AA, love him to death, he is handsome as hell. Do I want to fuck him? No, why, because sexually I am not attracted. Same with old white men. Does that make me racist? Im white and wont fuck certain white guys?

I guess Im just a bitch, but oh well, because this bitch wont do something with someone she doesnt want to do it with. Originally Posted by chellachella

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Chella, I don't believe you to be a "racist or bitchy". I believe you are exercising your right to choose. My original question was "why". I'm new to this industry, but if I had to guess, no provider is working for free. The ultimate goal for a provider is money. Correct? So, I guess my thought process is the color green usually is what trumps the pigmentation of someone's skin.
I must be honest, I find it to be quite humorous. I scroll through ads/showcases and you see this lady taking pics in the bathroom mirror of some roach motel and underneath her ad is "upscale white gentlemen only". Really? LOL. I mean, I'm black and there are some places I wouldn't go, PERIOD. So, I am also screening the provider as well. Roach motel= No Go for me. I have standards too.
Chella, question for you.. Why no showcase? Who contacts you if they can't see if YOU are as attractive as what you are requiring from your clients? Just curious.....

I have made it a personal choice not to see AA men in certain areas after having too many issues...I am far from racist but at the end of the day it's my body and my business so therefore my choice. Like I tell the AA men that try to convince me otherwise "Sweetheart there are SEVERAL other ladies that would be more than willing to you. Good luck with your search." I will say that if I had the same amount of the same issues happen with another race, then the rule would start applying to that race as well....too many bad apples spoiled it for you gentlemen that know how to behave and understand that I am in control at ALL times. Originally Posted by M$. Bentley

Ms. Bentley, I understand how you might feel, but why not screen more thoroughly rather than saying "I wont see black men or no AA". Putting people in buckets based upon skin color feels so antiquated.... I mean you are AA yourself. Also, wouldn't the price you charge in a way weed out the type of clients you don't want? Seriously, I am in no way attempting to insult you, but merely attempting to provoke deeper contemplation from you. If you stay in a "not so good motel" and charge a (for the sake of visualizing a good analogy) family dollar type prices, realistically what type of "high class" gentlemen do you truly think you will attract?
The first lesson I learned in my business career was "it takes money to make money". Meaning, step up the quality of your environment and charge a little bit more. But, try not to eliminate guys because of the pigmentation. I met a young provider "young white girl". She had a nice incall and her showcase was really nice so I felt comfortable going there. I looked at her showcase and she was a very sexy young woman in her showcase, but I couldn't see her face until i arrived at her incall. The fee I believe was $275. I walk in and I hug her and I see her face and she is a beautiful girl, but she looked 17. She told me she was 19/20, but at that moment I didnt want to sleep with that young lady. I gave her the donation plus a tip and all we did for 1 hour was talk. Another provider came to see me and we didn't have intercourse and her fee was $300 for an hour. There are some women that I may not want to have FS, but I don't make that determination until I am in the room around them.
Bentley, How I roll:

@Averni, I was FBSM only....still had the same requirements. Only ever had the sugardaddy thing once with a guy close to my age. I would have never been good at gfe, or faking it--did that way too much when I was married.

Bigpapa, Im out of the business on an active level--but sometimes dabble with old friends. I feel I am too old for all that now, and well just other personal reasons like a relationship, etc. You are new to the biz and I get that, but this is an old subject. I just always had a rule that I would never do anything with anyone that I would regret later. So many providers medicate themselves in order to forget. I prefer to stay sober. So far, no regrets other than that one white guy who decided to come out of the bathroom in womens panties and full makeup on--I thought I was in the room with a serial killer. lol

Bigpapa---I know if you read the alerts the majority of issues come from men of color. I think that causes problems for the good guys. Its sad but true.

Just check out the ladies, some do make exceptions if they see you are cool. I can tell you are different just by reading what you write.

@Averni, I was FBSM only....still had the same requirements. Only ever had the sugardaddy thing once with a guy close to my age. I would have never been good at gfe, or faking it--did that way too much when I was married.

Bigpapa, Im out of the business on an active level--but sometimes dabble with old friends. I feel I am too old for all that now, and well just other personal reasons like a relationship, etc. You are new to the biz and I get that, but this is an old subject. I just always had a rule that I would never do anything with anyone that I would regret later. So many providers medicate themselves in order to forget. I prefer to stay sober. So far, no regrets other than that one white guy who decided to come out of the bathroom in womens panties and full makeup on--I thought I was in the room with a serial killer. lol

Bigpapa---I know if you read the alerts the majority of issues come from men of color. I think that causes problems for the good guys. Its sad but true.

Just check out the ladies, some do make exceptions if they see you are cool. I can tell you are different just by reading what you write. Originally Posted by chellachella

Thanks Chell for admonition.. I like you bc at least you're honest about it. Take care young lady

Okay ... let me take a stab at this.

First - I am intensely turned on by sexually promiscuous, nasty, bad girls who have few boundaries and are attracted to a wide range of men. So in this - a provider who sees Black men is, to me, a feature - not a bug. In fact, one day I may talk LAT into doing a MMF with me - or a MMFF orgy kind of thing. I generally think that interracial intimacy is HOT. When I see a girl with the "NO AA" placard - I usually think first thing ... "well, she's prolly a little too stuffy for me". Doesn't mean I won't see her - IF she has great reviews and I think we'll click. However, I have never seen a provider who was "NO AA" here in the states. Overseas, one of my favorite providers was a Russian Courtesan born in St. Petersburg who would not see Black men or Middle Eastern men. She disdained Middle Eastern men with a passion (as most Euro escorts do) ... and she was also a professional working in the field of psychiatry - so escorting was simply a hobby to her and she picked and chose who she wanted to see.

Now - having said the above ...

1. Every girl in this profession should be treated like GOLD. There are precious few, really liberated women who understand the male / female dynamic and realize that their time is WORTH SOMETHING to us men. I believe that it's women who make normal men into BETTER men. I think a real reason that the state of manhood is in such a shitty state is so-called "free" women who give it away for free without demanding a sacrifice from men. Everything I do is for women - and when they demand things from me - brings out the better in me by forcing me to work harder to gain their affections. So every girl in this business should be respected whether she sees Black men or not.

2. Every girl is in this on her own. Escorts DO NOT enjoy equal protection under the law. They face arrest, imprisonment ... and violence by idiotic clients. Whatever screening methods a woman chooses - if they work for her - 'nuff said.

3. Guys seem to think that the business model for an escort is the same as McDonalds - "Millions and Millions Served" ... this is NOT the case. There are part time providers - a lot of them. Many are single mothers. Many are simply too scared or cautious to see every Tom, Dick and Harry. If, at the end of the day, a girl's goals are met - that's the only thing that matters. If she wants to see one client a week - that's fine if it works for her.

4. White providers should not be painted as "racist" as long as there is a significant number of Black providers who will also NOT see black men. Surf backpage - you'll find them. Those black women, who will not see black men - will be better able to articulate the reasons why some providers won't see black men.

5. It's not just black men - providers discriminate in all kinds of way. Some will not see you if they know you've seen a TS - or if you're into some other "kink" that they find a turn-off.

6. I'm convinced that a lot of FBSM providers are simply girls who can't stand to be intimate with obese - or gross men. Look at the reviews - a hot guy comes in - and she jumps on him for FS. A fat comes in - and he gets a hand job. Soooo - for some women, like Chella (who I realize wasn't an FBSM provider) attraction IS a part of the equation that effects their ability to provide the ILLUSION of attraction - which is what escorts do, folks - they provide an illusion - not the real thing. Personally, there is a very narrow spectrum of black women that I am attracted to and I am not attracted to the rest. This isn't racism ... it's just how it is. I have never been with a black woman - but I do intend to pop the cherry one day.

7. When I travel to Japan - there are a significant number of soaplands and Japanese escorts who will not see me - because I am a White American. This is because - some asshole Americans have caused them some problems. Of course, that's a minority of American men but what can you do about it? Nothing - look elsewhere.

8. Any WHITE guy who will not see a provider simply because she sees black men is objectifying women the same way he'd objectify a toilet - or a water fountain ... and if I were a provider - I would not see that guy because it says HEAPS about that guy's attitude toward women.

9. When I go to my German FKK - there aren't many Americans, so when I see a provider I shower her with generosity and kindness - JUST TOO BOOST her attitude toward American men. There's a language barrier - and cultural barriers - and that makes Americans a bit more work for those girls - so when a girl agrees to see me, I take care of her to an extent above and beyond the call. Think guys hate me here? Pfft! The regular Euro men in OASE in Frankfurt get pissed when I walk in the door - because they know I'll pay the girls twice the regular fee. Fuck 'em - it's their problem - I like having my pick of the girls ... and I DO get my pick because they run to me when I'm there - not the cheapskates. I would recommend that Black men do likewise when they find one of those providers who will see AA's. Take care of those girls and the word will spread around.

10. There are QUITE A FEW VERY AWESOME AA clients on this board with great reputations - I would further recommend that you still contact a girl - even if she doesn't see Black men - to see if she will make an exception. Schedule a multi-hour appointment ... or whatever. I don't think these girls are racists - and if you can "seduce" one into seeing you - then that is likely to cause her to rethink her "No AA" policy in the future if you treat her right.

In the end - it's up to the girl - it's not our place to tell her, or even criticize, how she runs HER business. She's taking the risk and she's doing the best she can - each and every girl out there. An old engineer I used to know who was in charge of the nuke plant on my first boat had a sign hanging in his stateroom ....

"EVERY TIME I GO AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGEMENT I GET FUCKED."

This is, what I think, should be "RULE #1" for every escort. So I will not criticize a girl for exercising her judgement to protect herself - even if I don't agree with it. I have lived with a provider myself for two years - and I've seen countless others. Still - I'm not an escort and have not walked in these women's shoes - who am I to tell them they are wrong? Originally Posted by Arverni

Arverni, I appreciate your input mi amigo. I am always stimulated by genuine, productive and cerebral discussions. Even when I may not agree with the dialogue the messenger is delivering. As I mentioned in my first or second sentence in the initial post, I am new to this hobby/site. I did not know that this topic had been discussed before. I apologize for the redundant topic. I was not privy to the prior conversations. I 100% agree with you that every provider should have a right to choose. As well, as be extremely selective. My point was if you want to be selective, shouldn't the chief motivation be for money. Let's look at it from a fiscal standpoint, I believe in the theory of multiplication over addition.... If I have 3 clients who are all willing to pay me $1k per visit per week. That is essentially (not including tips) $3k per week. $3k per week times four weeks is $12k per month. $12k per month times 12 months is $144k. Not only is that good business model, strategically robust, it also provides less wear and tear on a young woman's body. She is seeing 3 clients a month and only for 12 times in that month. Great business plan if you ask me.

Now, let's look at the lady who says to an AA who can afford to be one of those "$1k" a week client. She is seeing white guys ( and feeling good about it bc her conscious says "no AA/ni$$as") who are negotiating with her at $200/$250 a visit. So by my math, "No AA" has to see that one client 5 more times that week or see five additional clients that week just to make what that carefree "green color" provider in our first scenario does to make her kind of money. So, five more clients needed for the week means a total of 15 clients to get to the $3k mark that the "green" provider had to see to get to her $3k. That is a difference of 12 more sexcapades she has to make per week than the "green" provider. 12 more per week, equates to 48 more per month, 48 a month equates to 576. I am sure if we were comparing providers to maintenance on a vehicle that would probably equate to the difference of putting 5k miles on your car in a year and someone putting 25k miles per year.
Quite honestly, it's simple mathematics... I love math..... Expand your business plan/model to include a true sophisticated gentlemen (white or black or hispanic) take less wear and tear on your body, make good money. Or stick to current business model, continue to see haggling gentlemen because "hey, at least they are white", produce more wear and tear on your body to make desired income level.

What do you all think??

The bottom line is that a provider can choose whomever she wants to see. You should not make a big deal out of it. If I had your money, I just get out my golden fishing rod and reel in more fish.

as far as young lady, I wish that were true. I hit 40 and some days feel 80 lol. I think I found a wrinkle last week, and after my son totaled out my car last night on the top of a bridge, well today Im feeling super old. I would love a drink by the pit in your photos right now...

Wish you the best, and hit me up anytime for intel on stuff on this site, as well as people, good and the bad.

Just be careful. You seem like a cool guy with good intentions.

Thanks Chell for admonition.. I like you bc at least you're honest about it. Take care young lady Originally Posted by Bigpapa1

Bigpapa1 I'm not talking about my hotel location as I stay in upscale incalls. When I said location I meant certain cities. I live in Baton Rouge and have seen first hand why I choose not see AA men there. It's not always about screening in my case as I find many girls just put up with certain things I choose not to. But I'm not saying that I haven't banned other races when I'm in certain cities, I'm just speaking on AA men because that was the initial subject. Also, although it doesn't really matter I am not an AA woman. I'm Puerto Rican and Filipino. But my race doesn't change my decision about whom I choose to see. When I'm providing on the east coast my no AA policy is a little more lenient.

Ms Bentley, I'm a self employed 48 year old black male that live in Lafayette and your ad stated the same no AA. It's your right to see whoever you desire ,I will bet my monthly income that your encounter with other races have been somewhat unpleasant and you still continue to entertain that particular race. The first thing you hear out of racist mouth is these exact word. I'm not a racist. "I rather have a honest enemy then one that pretend to be your friend".

What about black men who wont see AA providers? Is that racist because they prefer the white providers, or other races? A lot of AA providers have complained before about lack of business, and nobody gave a reason other than just a personal preference. Most said they desired white. Soooo with that said, racism could be said to be reversed. And its seems that it is ok for the hobbyist to be racist but not ok for the hooker to be selective.

And I know of hobbyists who only see asian women....should I have been offended since Im white?

Ms Bentley, I'm a self employed 48 year old black male that live in Lafayette and your ad stated the same no AA. It's your right to see whoever you desire ,I will bet my monthly income that your encounter with other races have been somewhat unpleasant and you still continue to entertain that particular race. The first thing you hear out of racist mouth is these exact word. I'm not a racist. "I rather have a honest enemy then one that pretend to be your friend". Originally Posted by bigwillie01

I have no need in entertaining my stance on racism...that's humorous.