Ladies, Please explain it to the men that do not understand why you do not speak up at times.....

Whispers is an ass but SlaveG has a valid point. Sweet Cara is a terrific lady and if it helps her and others like her a bit then let be.

Slave G beat me to it, but I agree...

Why don't you guys start your own "I Hate Whispers" thread don't try to derail this one with your ad hominem and tu quoque attacks on him. Originally Posted by SpiceItUp;

The problem is the lack of one shred of altruism in this or similar threads. They reek of hypocrisy and driving page views ($). His posts in Austin have dismissed the value of women posting in other than provider ads. And he's suddenly a crusader for women.

The problem is the lack of one shred of altruism in this or similar threads. They reek of hypocrisy and driving page views ($). His posts in Austin have dismissed the value of women posting in other than provider ads. And he's suddenly a crusader for women. Originally Posted by saustin

I for one do not care about the hypocrisy and what Whisper's posts have done to the women in Austin. I do not care that he's a ____(insert word of choice). IMO he brought up a good topic. As Slave said, we deal with this thing in our fantasy land all the time. And yes, for ladies like me, this thread helps. I want advice from the ladies, and I want the guys that do this to us ladies to know that WE DO NOT APPRECIATE IT.

The problem is the lack of one shred of altruism in this or similar threads. They reek of hypocrisy and driving page views ($). His posts in Austin have dismissed the value of women posting in other than provider ads. And he's suddenly a crusader for women. Originally Posted by saustin

Sir Saustin…

Hmmm… I can see that you are a rather dramatic creature who has mental challenges separating emotional issues from logical rationale… This is probably part of your genetic makeup so, I will try not to hold that against you…

Let's separate WHISPER'S from this topic… I DO NOT know Whisper's that well… We have only met a few times and my judgement of him is only cursory at best because I do not have the time to STALK his every move as others do…

What I do know is WHO I AM and if you go back and research every post that I have made since the onset of my becoming a member of ECCIE you will ONE UNDERLYING THEME. I love and adore women and I will do ANYTHING TO SUPPORT AND PROTECT THEM.

This THEAD touches something true and important to me and your attempt to derail it leads me to surmise that Whispers has touched on something that bothers you… So, tell me… Which topic bothered you the most?

BAREBACK?

TIME WASTING?

STALKING?

HUSTLING NEWBIES FOR FREEBIES?

IF YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN and you are LOGICAL then you will control your EMOTIONAL PREJUDICES so that our newbies and not so strong established ladies can learn a BETTER & SAFER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS..

Forget Whispers… Research who I AM!! I have been an active crusader from the BEGINNING and I am constantly working behind the scenes to help women who have been RAPED, BEATEN AND in general TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY MEN…

I have no idea who WHISPER'S really is… but I do KNOW who I am…

So Sir Saustin… WHO ARE YOU?

Your logical slave,

Guinevere

Sir Saustin…

Hmmm… I can see that you are a rather dramatic creature who has mental challenges separating emotional issues from logical rationale… This is probably part of your genetic makeup so, I will try not to hold that against you…

Let's separate WHISPER'S from this topic… I DO NOT know Whisper's that well… We have only met a few times and my judgement of him is only cursory at best because I do not have the time to STALK his every move as others do…

What I do know is WHO I AM and if you go back and research every post that I have made since the onset of my becoming a member of ECCIE you will ONE UNDERLYING THEME. I love and adore women and I will do ANYTHING TO SUPPORT AND PROTECT THEM.

This THEAD touches something true and important to me and your attempt to derail it leads me to surmise that Whispers has touched on something that bothers you… So, tell me… Which topic bothered you the most?

BAREBACK?

TIME WASTING?

STALKING?

HUSTLING NEWBIES FOR FREEBIES?

IF YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN and you are LOGICAL then you will control your EMOTIONAL PREJUDICES so that our newbies and not so strong established ladies can learn a BETTER & SAFER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS..

Forget Whispers… Research who I AM!! I have been an active crusader from the BEGINNING and I am constantly working behind the scenes to help women who have been RAPED, BEATEN AND in general TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY MEN…

I have no idea who WHISPER'S really is… but I do KNOW who I am…

So Sir Saustin… WHO ARE YOU?

Your logical slave,

Guinevere Originally Posted by Slave Guinevere

+100

I LOVE a woman that knows who she is.

The problem is the lack of one shred of altruism in this or similar threads. They reek of hypocrisy and driving page views ($). His posts in Austin have dismissed the value of women posting in other than provider ads. And he's suddenly a crusader for women. Originally Posted by saustin

Again with the ad hominem and tu quoque arguments.

Even if what you allege is true (I don't know Whispers and only have a passing familiarity with his threads) how does that in any way diminish the potential value of this particular thread of discussion?

Yes this topic is a valid point but I think you "fans" are missing the point. Hypocrisy apparently isn't targeted to the OP. Figure it out.....as most quiet ones will do. The point is.......would you take advice from a children's counselor if the counselor doesn't have children? You catch my drift.... Would you say it's ok for whispers to totally derail another topic that he has butted into? You're responses only make it ok for fucktards to keep doing what they are doing. I'm not calling you all fans of fucktards, I'm only making you aware that this thread was started by an individual who engages in such activities. Would you defend Charles Manson if he started a thread about how you feel about being ......well....you can see where this is going right?

You "fans" seem to think the community is stupid and can't figure out what to get out if this thread. Let there be haters and let there be useful ideas and values. If we started a separate bashing thread it would over run all the BS that is already happening. Then what? Then we would get the "stop bashing thread". Silly rabbits......tricks are for the OP

"fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.......you're cool, and fuck you! I'm out!"

Btw, the above phrase is from one of my favorite movies and not actually telling anyone that

Ahh.....this is what the OP must feel like when bullshit just flows like the Amazon . Nice!

Now back to the good topic.

Again with the ad hominem and tu quoque arguments.

Even if what you allege is true (I don't know Whispers and only have a passing familiarity with his threads) how does that in any way diminish the potential value of this particular thread of discussion? Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Exactly, SpicyPants. And to dismiss those posting here as "Whispers" fans seems a bit crazy.

I do believe him that he gets emails from ladies asking for help, because I do too.

Some of the ladies need help finding their voice and I'm not going to judge them for turning to Whispers for that help if they want to.

Desperado I saw that too and was wondering wtf? Lol. Is that link to the SB thread visible to everyone or just members with premium access? Originally Posted by Billy Horn

This is odd. Are you that dissatisfied with your poll results that you now shamelessly chase the female vote? Originally Posted by JohnnyYanks

So you mean to tell me or others that your sugar babies are not pressured in this post you commented on?
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=946042 Originally Posted by newcumerz

Pardon me ladies for a moment.

Gentlemen. If you want to ask me a question about a thread in a Forum that Only Premium Members have access to please feel free to do so in the appropriate Forum. I will have no problems responding. Discussing it here SHOULD cost you or anyone else discussing information from there access to that forum. If there is anything else you want to discuss Start a thread.

I started this thread for a reason .... Since GFX was Banned I have received a story regarding a member that RAPED a lady and 3 very similar stories from 3 different ladies regarding a Member using his Status here to try to force a freebie out of them when they were new in exchange for helping them achieve Verified Provider Status. Perhaps they will hear something here from other ladies that will motivate them to step up and share it in some manner in some forum and possibly affect these "men" in a way that they lose the ability to exert such pressure over them. At the moment they are afraid to.

Why do I receive the stories? It's gone on for years. They tell me because I am not afraid to tackle tough subjects and they hope I will get their issue to light and the person they have an issue with exposed and ostracized from the community.

I know you all want to make it seem like I am a pretend WK and championing the women and their cause with this thread. Truthfully, for me, this is about wanting these guys gone. Their Reviews and Information shared is tainted and not accurate in that they pressure for something you or I pay for. There is no truth in the review they write or information they share.

I am not going to try to sway any of your opinions here in this thread.
I am not going to offer any opinions here in this thread about this subject.

I started this thread because it is a real problem that affects information on this board and if we want accurate information from honest members we NEED the ladies to be able to step up and say what they need to.

Yes this topic is a valid point but I think you "fans" are missing the point. Hypocrisy apparently isn't targeted to the OP. Figure it out.....as most quiet ones will do. The point is.......would you take advice from a children's counselor if the counselor doesn't have children? You catch my drift.... Would you say it's ok for whispers to totally derail another topic that he has butted into? You're responses only make it ok for fucktards to keep doing what they are doing. I'm not calling you all fans of fucktards, I'm only making you aware that this thread was started by an individual who engages in such activities. Would you defend Charles Manson if he started a thread about how you feel about being ......well....you can see where this is going right?

You "fans" seem to think the community is stupid and can't figure out what to get out if this thread. Let there be haters and let there be useful ideas and values. If we started a separate bashing thread it would over run all the BS that is already happening. Then what? Then we would get the "stop bashing thread". Silly rabbits......tricks are for the OP

"fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.......you're cool, and fuck you! I'm out!"

Btw, the above phrase is from one of my favorite movies and not actually telling anyone that

Ahh.....this is what the OP must feel like when bullshit just flows like the Amazon . Nice!

Now back to the good topic. Originally Posted by newcumerz

Sir Newcumerz…

Hmmm… Let me guess… Your chosen profession is not one based on LOGIC? So, let me answer your rather illogical questions:

1) Am I a fan of the OP?

As I have PREVIOUSLY stated I do not really KNOW THE OP…So, if I do not KNOW the OP then how in the world can I be a FAN? What I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT IS THE SAFETY OF WOMEN…Something, you obviously care little for…

2) Would I answer a LOGICAL question if CHARLES MANSON posed it in the same manner?

The answer to that is YES… I was trained to be a CRITICAL THINKER so that means that all times I try to be OBJECTIVE and LOGICAL when I approach any situation in life. That sometimes means that I am not always the MOST POPULAR PERSON in the room but I am always HONEST!!

NOW, that I have answered YOUR QUESTIONS why don't YOU answer MINE… So, tell me… Which topic bothered you the most?

BAREBACK?

TIME WASTING?

STALKING?

HUSTLING NEWBIES FOR FREEBIES?

IF YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN and you are LOGICAL then you will control your EMOTIONAL PREJUDICES so that our newbies and not so strong established ladies can learn a BETTER & SAFER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS..

Forget Whispers… Research who I AM!! I have been an active crusader from the BEGINNING and I am constantly working behind the scenes to help women who have been RAPED, BEATEN AND in general TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY MEN…

I have no idea who WHISPER'S really is… but I do KNOW who I am…

So Sir Newcumerz… WHO ARE YOU?

Your logical slave,

Guinevere

P.S.

Saustin & Newcumerz I hear that VICTORIA'S SECRET'S is having a LINGERIE SALE… Why don't ya'll go on a little shopping spree today? I hear that PINK PANTIES are all the RAGE!!

Yes this topic is a valid point but I think you "fans" are missing the point. Hypocrisy apparently isn't targeted to the OP. Figure it out.....as most quiet ones will do. The point is.......would you take advice from a children's counselor if the counselor doesn't have children? You catch my drift.... Would you say it's ok for whispers to totally derail another topic that he has butted into? You're responses only make it ok for fucktards to keep doing what they are doing. I'm not calling you all fans of fucktards, I'm only making you aware that this thread was started by an individual who engages in such activities. Would you defend Charles Manson if he started a thread about how you feel about being ......well....you can see where this is going right?

I actually know a parenting counselor back home that is well known and very popular in the city. She doesn't have children but has worked around and with children for some time.
So, to answer your question, YES. I would take advice from a children's counselor if they didn't have children. I LISTEN to the advice of anyone that wants to give it. Whether or not to take that advice and put it to good use in MY LIFE is MY CHOICE. Just like commenting on a thread with a topic that I am interested in is MY CHOICE. I am no one's "FAN" here. (Except maybe Slave's...hehe!) And I am not "DEFENDING" anyone. I am merely stating that I DO NOT CARE WHAT HE HAS DONE OR SAID IN PREVIOUS THREADS AND CITIES. He has brought up a good topic, and I think we should just STAY on THAT topic. IJS

You "fans" seem to think the community is stupid and can't figure out what to get out if this thread. Let there be haters and let there be useful ideas and values. If we started a separate bashing thread it would over run all the BS that is already happening. Then what? Then we would get the "stop bashing thread". Silly rabbits......tricks are for the OP

"fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.......you're cool, and fuck you! I'm out!"
Originally Posted by newcumerz

BTW...LOVE that movie!!!!

Well it looks like I ruffled the wrong feathers . Maybe after 1000s and 1000s of threads and comments you can learn to "like" me like the OP I just don't have the time.


Slave...who am I? I'm the moon, the stars, fire, ice, the wind(and not the kind that leaves the cheeks ).....most of all I'm the one who is tired of all the BS...even if it's hidden behind a good topic. And to answer your other question........
I wouldn't want to be stalked, hustled, my time wasted and pressured for bb....but the thread was for the ladies . FYI, I still think you're hot and amazing

Cara.....no worries....I will stay on topic now .
"now let me tell you something. I love [Staff edit. M], ....love it, but not as much as I love pussy"
I'm guessing yours is sweet

Cara, we have great providers you should spend some time with. Like Slave, Nikki, DDMcgee, to name just a few. They are very nice and sweet (not to gorgeous), but they can stand up probably to any these guys crap.

As to what you were saying about being assertive and confrontational, I know exactly what your talking about. I'm personally the same way, and will do alot to avoid stressful situations until someone pushes me too far and I worry that I would hurt them (irish and polish temper). I've learned to be very calm.

I do not like clockwatchers, but also don't want to take advantage of provider's time either. A clock on the wall or the stand isn't bad if your not staring at it all the time. (I enjoy talking to providers before, during, and after, and lose all track of time, gentle reminders don't bother me and shouldn't bother any hobbyist. I've looked at the clock and said it was time to go sometimes when the provider didn't notice.

Every situation is different, but the provider better in control.

As said before, from you and others, 1.get dressed, 2.say you have to be somewhere, 3.it's been fun see you next time, 4.you want to take a shower before leave.
check info share I wouldn't be surprised if providers don't have a thread of suggestions for how to get a guy to leave peacefully.

I'm think providers should take self defense classes, most of the time they are smaller than hobbyists. You should be able to defend yourself against "unfriendly" or "unwilling" hobbyist. I encouraged my 66 old mother to take classes in case someone attacked her.

as to the comments that follow, yea I have low opinion of men ( I don't trust women very much either besides the point), from everything I've seen and heard before I ever entered this hobby. There's alot of good guys out there, but there's also alot scum.

I worry when I enter that room and I can defend myself, why shouldn't a provider have the same concerns and defenses. I've heard some of the horror stories, and you know that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm on my phone, so I'm going to keep this short. I agree that this is an important and very useful topic for the ladies (and gents) to be able to discuss. I don't, in any way believe that any of you ladies should have to endure what you do in this lifestyle. There is no excuse for such behavior. I'm actually shocked at the severity of it, and I am glad that it has been put out here for the ladies to help each other out with.. Although that's what I thought your private ladies room was for, but that's not my point.

My post wasn't to try to derail the thread at all. The post by newcummerz just stood out like a beacon to me, and I thought to myself... "hmmm... interesting. He started this thread about.... but over in this other thread he's patting himself on the back about.... " I was just wondering which side he's actually on and if I was the only one that caught it. Apparently not though.

And that's all I'm going to say about that...

So back on topic. Ladies thank you for your great advice for the ladies that seek it. Take some kind of classes or familiarize yourself with some sort of other protection in case you really need it. You don't have to put up with anything from some of the bad apples.

Well it looks like I ruffled the wrong feathers . Maybe after 1000s and 1000s of threads and comments you can learn to "like" me like the OP I just don't have the time.


Slave...who am I? I'm the moon, the stars, fire, ice, the wind(and not the kind that leaves the cheeks ).....most of all I'm the one who is tired of all the BS...even if it's hidden behind a good topic. And to answer your other question........
I wouldn't want to be stalked, hustled, my time wasted and pressured for bb....but the thread was for the ladies . FYI, I still think you're hot and amazing

Cara.....no worries....I will stay on topic now .
"now let me tell you something. I love weed, ....love it, but not as much as I love pussy"
I'm guessing yours is sweet Originally Posted by newcumerz

Too funny. Nice comment!

I'm on my phone, so I'm going to keep this short. I agree that this is an important and very useful topic for the ladies (and gents) to be able to discuss. I don't, in any way believe that any of you ladies should have to endure what you do in this lifestyle. There is no excuse for such behavior. I'm actually shocked at the severity of it, and I am glad that it has been put out here for the ladies to help each other out with.. Although that's what I thought your private ladies room was for, but that's not my point.

My post wasn't to try to derail the thread at all. The post by newcummerz just stood out like a beacon to me, and I thought to myself... "hmmm... interesting. He started this thread about.... but over in this other thread he's patting himself on the back about.... " I was just wondering which side he's actually on and if I was the only one that caught it. Apparently not though.

And that's all I'm going to say about that...

So back on topic. Ladies thank you for your great advice for the ladies that seek it. Take some kind of classes or familiarize yourself with some sort of other protection in case you really need it. You don't have to put up with anything from some of the bad apples. Originally Posted by Desperado

I agree. Wee