74 school shootings since Sandy Hook. More dead today.

I guess the best way to answer your question, is for people not to become a victim. That may sound a little cliché but it's true. Criminals are opportunist. If someone is walking through a parking lot fumbling with keys and grocery bags or texting on a cell phone generally not acting very alert to what's going on around him they could be placing themselves in a vulnerable position to be robbed raped, or kidnapped.


Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

So if they're always armed ....no more victims?

What if they're walking to their car "un-alert" ...and get startled by just someone walking by them too closely? .....should they shoot them anyway, maybe? ...just to be on the safe side?

You never know who's a criminal out there, right?

So that answer indicates that you believe people should be armed at all times so they do not become victims. Maybe even carry a weapon on their key chains or cellphones so they won't suffer an instant of exposure in a parking lot. Hey! How about an IPhone app that fires live rounds? That would "kill" two birds with one stoner, wouldn't it?

Really?

This line of discussion is becoming silly, Jim. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Who said anything about a gun? The only thing really silly is you. You apparently expect someone or something else to make sure nothing happens to you. That's not the way it works. We have very little if any control over a criminals actions or intentions but we have full control over our own. Just being alert and paying attention to what's going on around you is your first line of defense. If you can notice things and recognize potential problems you can take appropriate actions to avoid possibly being a victim.

Jim

So if they're always armed ....no more victims?

What if they're walking to their car "un-alert" ...and get startled by just someone walking by them too closely? .....should they shoot them anyway, maybe? ...just to be on the safe side?

You never know who's a criminal out there, right? Originally Posted by JCM800

So lets say you are walking through the parking lot and someone jumps you from behind knocking you to the ground. What are you going to do? Armed or unarmed, doesn't matter. What are you going to do?


Jim

Who said anything about a gun? The only thing really silly is you. You apparently expect someone or something else to make sure nothing happens to you. That's not the way it works. We have very little if any control over a criminals actions or intentions but we have full control over our own. Just being alert and paying attention to what's going on around you is your first line of defense. If you can notice things and recognize potential problems you can take appropriate actions to avoid possibly being a victim.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

They will never have an argument against gun control as long as there is a glaring example of why it doesn't work, Chicago. Pass a federal law that says the government will protect you from a speeding bus bearing down on them, and they will all get in line to stand there and get ran over.

So lets say you are walking through the parking lot and someone jumps you from behind knocking you to the ground. What are you going to do? Armed or unarmed, doesn't matter. What are you going to do?


Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Well I guess that would depend on their intent.

Are we talking about a 20-something yr old blonde stripper?

They will never have an argument against gun control as long as there is a glaring example of why it doesn't work, Chicago. Pass a federal law that says the government will protect you from a speeding bus bearing down on them, and they will all get in line to stand there and get ran over. Originally Posted by nwarounder

Well the bottom line is this, and liberals apparently don't get it. If you decide to legally carry a concealed weapon and you find yourself in a situation where deadly force is justified, I suggest you do it. If one decides not to arm themselves which is most of us, myself included, and you find yourself in a pressing situation then you're simply in a fight and it maybe for your life. Don't expect any help from strangers or the police to magically appear, you are on your own. It's a scary situation to be in and it's what you do in those few short minutes that may seem like an hour that will determine whether you live or die.

Jim

I own quite a few guns but have never felt the need to publicly carry (except when I served my country and afterwards only to the firing range and hunting trips).

At this stage of my life, I don't believe it is going to change. When people talk about carrying a weapon with them to a public place, I can't help but reflect upon something an instructor used as an illustration toward the end of a concealed handgun course that I took a few years ago.

The instructor (and I use that term loosely) said that one of his children got sick during the night and his wife asked him to run to CVS Pharmacy to pick up some medicine. He said he drove 10-15 minutes to the nearest 24 hour pharmacy and just as he was pulling into the parking lot, it dawned on him that he had left his pistol at home. He immediately returned to his home to pick up his pistol (just in case) and once he was packing, returned to the store and bought the medicine.

Meanwhile, his sick child is forced to wait an extra 45 minutes to an hour for his "pistol packing" (Idiot) Dad to bring the much-needed medicine!

It was not very comforting for me to learn toward the end of the course that my instructor did not have common sense or the ability to differentiate right from wrong. It is even more concerning that this Idiot is packing every day out on the streets! I suspect he was a card carrying member of the Idiot Family!

Don't get me wrong, I am not against concealed handgun classes and/or gun safety courses. But I expect the instructor's to be qualified and equally important to have common sense. This particular instructor may have passed the instructor's course but he would have failed a common sense portion. It is obvious that common sense was not a part of the curriculum.

I own quite a few guns but have never felt the need to publicly carry (except when I served my country and afterwards to the firing range and hunting trips).

At this stage of my life, I don't believe it is going to change. When people talk about carrying a weapon with them to a public place, I can't help but reflect upon something an instructor used as an illustration toward the end of a concealed handgun course that I took a few years ago.

The instructor (and I use that term loosely) said that one of his children got sick during the night and his wife asked him to run to CVS Pharmacy to pick up some medicine. He said he drove 10-15 minutes to the nearest 24 hour pharmacy and just as he was pulling into the parking lot, it dawned on him that he had left his pistol at home. He immediately returned to his home to pick up his pistol (just in case) and once he was packing, returned to the store and bought the medicine.

Meanwhile, his sick child is forced to wait an extra 45 minutes to an hour for his "pistol packing" Idiot Dad to bring the much-needed medicine!

It was not very comforting for me to learn toward the end of the course that my instructor did not have common sense or the ability to differentiate right from wrong. It is even more concerning that this Idiot is packing every day out on the streets! I suspect he was a card carrying member of the Idiot Family!

Don't get me wrong, I am not against concealed handgun classes and/or gun safety courses. But I expect the instructor's to be qualified and equally important to have common sense. This particular instructor may have passed the instructor's course but he would have failed a common sense portion. It obviously was not a part of the curriculum. Originally Posted by bigtex

Well unfortunately some people view their gun like a credit card "never leave home without it".


Jim

Well unfortunately some people view their gun like a credit card "never leave home without it". Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Meanwhile my guns are safely locked up in my gun safe and that is where they will remain.

Until my next hunting trip!

Meanwhile my guns are safely locked up in my gun safe and that is where they will remain.

Until my next hunting trip! Originally Posted by bigtex

So what was his point, that carrying was top priority above all else. Having a CCL is nice to have, cause it enables you to carry legally if you feel like doing so, but I don't think it is necessary as part of your daily repertoire.

Jim

So what was his point, that carrying was top priority above all else. Having a CCL is nice to have, cause it enables you to carry legally if you feel like doing so, but I don't think it is necessary as part of your daily repertoire.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I know SO many people with CHLs who won't go to the store, the gym or a movie without their fucking gun...

Like a pacifier.

Meanwhile my guns are safely locked up in my gun safe and that is where they will remain.

Until my next hunting trip! Originally Posted by bigtex

Hopefully the Ozombies won't be going on a "sheep" hunting trip in your neighborhood. If they do... Good Luck!... and thanks for your service.

Hopefully the Ozombies won't be going on a "sheep" hunting trip in your neighborhood. If they do... Good Luck!... and thanks for your service. Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

What the fuck are you talking about, Slobbrin?

and thanks for your service! (Ahem)

So what was his point Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I can only tell you my point. That being, I do not need to pack a gun to make myself feel secure.

Unless I have something worthwhile to do with the gun (like hunting), it will remain locked up in my gun safe.

My point is pretty self-explanatory.

I know SO many people with CHLs who won't go to the store, the gym or a movie without their fucking gun...

Like a pacifier. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Yeah I know it. I know a few like that too. Ask them about their training. If they tell you they have taken numerous courses in firearm safety and they go to the range regularly, this is what they are actually telling you. They know how to strip down their gun and clean it, how to load it and to keep their finger off the trigger when drawing it and keep it pointed down range. They will also impress upon you that they have developed good marksmanship skills by shooting paper silhouette targets. Unfortunately that basic type of training will not guarantee even remotely that they will succeed in an fire fight. The reason for that it requires low skills under low to no stress. The guy who tells you he has taken extensive instruction in courses specifically designed to train to succeed in a fire fight has had the training in utilizing a multitude of skills besides marksmanship. Skills like use of cover, techniques in reloading, how to enter a room, how to use various types of cover in an outdoor setting, firing in low light situations ect. Courses like these are offered all over the United states they can be expensive they are anywhere from one to three days in length. The real value is they train you under stress so you can perform under stress. CHL is not designed nor does it imply that you are street ready to win a fire fight it just gives you the states approval for you to carry that's all.

Jim