HELP I WAS BUSTED

All the OP's responses are cryptic as hell. Is this some attempt at haiku? Originally Posted by MartenWarner
She doth text too much.
All grammar out the window--
Yo, bro! Wassup, Dawg?

Ann Originally Posted by Asian Ann
Well played, Ann. Well played, indeed.

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Hello. Sorry, I've been occupied. With what, I can't say specifically. I'll only say that if there are any johns out there contemplating picking up a tranny hooker then stiffing "her" (yes, both ways), you might think twice to avoid death from severe lead poisoning -- the hot, flying, projectile kind, not the kind you get from nibbling paint flakes.


Don't STFU to your lawyer

I just had an interesting discussion with a lawyer friend. He said that most defense attorney's don't want to know "the truth". They prefer that clients tell them nothing. He said the most criminal defenses aren't fought over the the actual innocence or guilt of their client. Most criminal defenses are based on attacking the prosecution's case thus creating reasonable doubt. Originally Posted by Cpalmson
My advice to a criminal defendant to STFU doesn't mean he shouldn't talk to his attorney -- in fact, the defendant usually SHOULD talk to his attorney, and should ONLY talk to his attorney, about the case. With few exceptions, an attorney needs to know from his client what the essential facts are in the case. If I have a concern with my client admitting to me that he committed the offense, I ask him this question: What's the best evidence the prosecutor can use against you? (I learned this approach from my first legal employer and mentor, famed Houston criminal defense attorney Richard "Racehorse" Haynes.) This allows my client to tell me what happened in the third-person, rather than the first-person.

Problems that could arise with a client confessing his crime to his attorney could be barring the use of a mistaken identity defense or putting on alibi evidence. I know it may surprise some, but lawyers are not supposed to make arguments or put on evidence contrary to a known fact, even if they're paid well. A few times in my career I've had to fire a client who wanted me to do so. To me, no client is worth tarnishing my reputation or even risking disbarment.


This isn't the best place to assess the strength of a pending criminal charge

The OP stated a few facts then asked for opinions on whether the state had a good case against her. I think this approach is generally a bad idea. For one thing, such a recitation of the facts will rarely be objective. When my client tells me what happened, I nod thoughtfully (or so I'd like to think - ha) but withhold judgment on what did or didn't occur until I read the offense report, which is a summary of what the cop(s) involved will testify to at trial. Of course, "the truth" is something out there somewhere in the abyss of epistemology between the defendant's and the cop's version of "the facts." So the problem with someone stating "the facts" of their case here is their recitation is rarely accurate, and therefore, the proffered advice may not be useful. A defendant needs to be grilled by their lawyer, slowly, over hot coals, to get to "the truth."

The other problem with asking for advice here regarding a particular legal problem is (as I've written many times before) some non-lawyers, a group I call the "Cliff Claven Crowd," like to espouse legal views -- often, inaccurately, and without consequences. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't entrust my life, liberty, property, or reputation to someone whose only "knowledge" of the legal system is watching TV programs and movies.

Cliff Claven


I also tend to agree with ramblinguitarman that there is some risk from writing incriminating statements here (or anywhere) when you have a pending criminal charge. Again, only discuss the facts of your case with your lawyer.

You want good legal advice? Then pay for it. You don't expect your clients to get freebies. Don't expect the other profession that fucks people for money to give freebies, either.


The nature of proof

Isnt this a he said, she said kind of deal... which would be thrown out? The GUY was the one busted.. he can say all he wants but there isnt any REAL proof, right? Originally Posted by LusciousLacy
You think because there's a dispute as to the facts the case will be thrown out? I'll let you in on a little lawyer secret: There's ALWAYS a dispute as to the facts, and thousands of criminal cases are tried every day. And you think a person's testimony isn't "any REAL proof"? I'll tell you another secret: The type of evidence most commonly used in criminal trials is testimony. All that forensic shit they talk about on TV shows like "CSI: Cedar Hill" is used in only the most important cases, like when the president ejaculates on an intern's dress.


What constitutes "prostitution"

There has to be an agreement to exchange sex for cash and that agreement has to be witnessed or participated in by LE. . . . SJ will probably get on my case for dispensing legal advice without a license but I think I'm pretty solid ground on this one, no matter the state. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
Under Texas law, there doesn't need to be an agreement for conduct to constitute the offense of prostitution, although an agreement (offer plus acceptance equals an agreement) is one way to prove the crime. A person can also commit the offense by only making an offer, or paying money or having sex without there being an express agreement at all. Also, it's not required that LE participate in the transaction or witness the hooker and hookee transact business, although testimony from an undercover (that is, plainclothes, not lying between the sheets) officer is the typical way the state proves the crime of prostitution has occurred.

Finally, it grates me a little to read a comment like "the jury will find you guilty or innocent." Juries don't find defendants "innocent" -- they find them "not guilty," and that's a BIG difference. Anyone reading this should consider themself lucky we don't escape criminal liability only by being proved innocent.
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All looks like a farce to me or in some quarters a version of "QUACK"


xx
Is it just me...or does something smell FISHY?

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This is a technique to establish probable cause. Setting up a surveillance on a location that is being used as an incall location and stopping individuals as they leave they are able to establish the activities of the room by the statements of the persons leaving. This takes several stops and several statements though. NOT ONE. After several statements that state the same type of activity some prosecutors will file charges on the girl. Guys should keep their mouths shut also because you could end up with a subpoena. They know you were there so tell them you were just visiting a friend, PERIOD, NO DETAILS. You just talked. It is not only used in prostitution cases, but in cases where an undercover has not been able to gain access
i dont do anything when i escort
never no gfe no full service nothing
i will get this cleared but i never said i did anything
noleftturn you are right they where watching the hotel
plus .......... well im nott going to say anymore

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thnks everyone .............
<facepalm>
Ah huh...
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unless you confessed, there is no case it's your word agaist his all you have to say is that you have been friends for years and you refused his advances so he's made the story up by the way were you arrested??? and what was the charged.
I don't get it. He was pulled over for what exactly? And why did he say anything at all? And then they came to your room to arrest you? Were charges filed? Originally Posted by Lily Blair
I was getting ready to ask that same question.
Bail and cut him off its his problem, don't be bullied and move if you can. No trick is ever a friend.
Working in this industry it can happen to anybody Brooke any provider can be tripped up and busted anytime even from your own patrons. Don't think it can't happen to you everybody luck runs out eventually.
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One thing I have noticed about LE is that they will threaten the hell out of you because the only way they can charge you with anything is if they have a confession from you. Confession = slam shut case. Keeping your mouth shut until the bitter end no matter what you are threatened with is the best thing you can do. Difficult but essential. From their pov, they have the possibility of a case, charge against you but without a confession they are up a mountain actually pinning the charge to you. Think Casey Anthony, the one thing she did not do (and we all know damn well she was guilty) is that she did not confess one thing. It is frustrating for LE to charge someone and then let them walk, most charges stick only with a confession. LE will LIE LIE LIE BLATANTLY to get you to confess. I swear, just don't hear it! You will be threatened with worse charges, they will attempt to make you feel like you are going to be put in Sing Sing without a key. Bullshit. Plain and simple. If it were illegal for cops to lie (prosecuters too) the jails would be full of them.