GFE is stupid and should be banned!!

hmmmm... I see where you're coming from, but in the hobby it the term GFE refers (mostly ) to the activities the provider offers. I do completely agree with you 100000% it is ALSO a state of mind - especially for it to be genuine!

i just bought a new car. it's a sport utility crossover. it's got formula one styling, sport tuned racing stripes, and sr71 firestorm super fuel injection. inside it has genuine imitation wood grain dash accents, 100% authentic napa style pure leather feel seats, and a bose surround simulation sound system. i know that when i drive it, i'll be much cooler and better looking...i guess then i won't need to pay for a girlfriend experience.

Like I posted in another thread. If you leave the encounter feeling warm and fuzzy, then you had a GFE. I mean seriousy guys, did you have or stay with a certain GF because she bbbj with you? No, you have more substance than that. It is all subject to interpretation and Horserider said it best " like the wind or hot or cold.......I know it when I feel it. Just my .02 worth. "

Hmmm,
Of course, any term--GFE, PSE--is a matter of definition. If you go back a little way on any adult board, you find that obtaining a consensus about any such definition has proven to be impossible.

So where does that leave us?

GFE in this universe refers to an encounter in which the woman is not simply a vessel which we hobbyists direct to receive our every physical fantasy. Most often, PSE seems to mean that we/she talks very graphically and that we may well finish on her face. But GFE implies that we are trying, however poorly, to establish some basis of personal connection. I know it's is limited, if not a fraud, but it still differs from saying in effect that I want to use you as an object, end of story.

wow, interesting thread. I would say that Cpalmson is correct though!

A true GFE means leaving in the morning after breakfast in bed.

"Breakfast in bed, kisses for me
You don't have to say you love me
Breakfast in bed, love can make you sing"
UB40 with Chrissie Hynde

I disagree that gfe is cim, swallow, as that would be pse. For me GFE is more kissing, mutual oral, and the provider is free to climax or really good a faking. PSE is cim, cof, greek and more stanima, provider climax is not relevant.

I guess my point is that this is indeed a very subjective term, but when P411 actually defines what a PSE is and there are providers who blatantly abuse the term on P411 and falsely advertise on P411 as a PSE, then that is just wrong. I think the solution would be for every site to define, in a general sense, what a GFE and a PSE thing is and have the providers act accordingly. Originally Posted by Malcolm1357

It is very subjective as you state. So, I don't get why we should make it "hobby law"....LOL I imagine even the P411 staff would tell you that the "requirements" for either PSE or GFE provided on the site, are subjective and a generic/loose guideline on what can be expected when either term is referred to. The P411 site, much like this one, is very helpful in generally guiding those involved, on expectations. IMHO,I don't think they believe or feel we must provide the exact wording of their interpretations, or we will not be allowed to use their terms.

This is just too personal of an occupation and hobby. The more one does their "homework" and communicates while making an appointment, the better the chance they will (for gents) have the experience they seek and (for ladies) see the clients that are suited to their level of service. However, I understand many gents get sidetracked by pics and terms and many ladies become jaded and are simply "all about the money" regardless of what a gentleman seeks.

So, to the gents I say, seek a reputable lady who has reviews and a site, so you will get a better sense of what she does provide. Ask her when you contact her, if you are unclear about anything specific you may seek. And to the ladies, I say, step it up, do what you say you will and provide what you are comfortable providing. If you dfk and then don't provide it to a gent that has bad breath or whatever, tell him why you won't and provide a little mouthwash. Be as prepared for situations that might cause an issue with your level of service, as you can.

Most problems have solutions and communication is key.

(I got way wordier than I meant to....LOL I was simply gonna ask someone to pass the popcorn!)

This is just too personal of an occupation and hobby. The more one does their "homework" and communicates while making an appointment, the better the chance they will (for gents) have the experience they seek and (for ladies) see the clients that are suited to their level of service. However, I understand many gents get sidetracked by pics and terms and many ladies become jaded and are simply "all about the money" regardless of what a gentleman seeks. Originally Posted by M A X

perfectly said.