Lower Rates....One Year Ago... ?? So confused :(

Angelina,

Quite honestly you are a very beautiful woman with amazing results. I wanted to see you last time you were in town but after I saved enough you were gone. I guess you are aspirational for most hobbiest. I dont think price however equates to quality but maybe exclusivity. I have had wonderful experiences in SA with ladies for 200 and less. They were some of the most brilliant, beautiful and giving women I have ever met. With that being said, I am still saving to one day meet you

fun.time.hobbyist,

Thank you for kind words and I am thrilled that you were able to take the words right out of my mouth. There are men in every economy who have no qualms spending more on a lady who offers a unique services or has built a solid reputation over a year. In Austin, ladies are increasing their rates so maybe the strategic thing to do would to keep my business in Austin? I turn away a lot of 300/hr appointments in Austin because I am overwhelmed and get the feeling that a lot of ladies with good reputations stay busy at that rate.

The debate is interesting/insightful and as long as the hobbiest is happy, then that is all that really matters. I can't wait to meet you! You sound amazing from your e-mails and the type of client/friend I enjoy.

xo

Angelina

Angelina,

I stumbled across this thread while doing some research for an upcoming business trip. San Antonio is a lower priced market much like Dallas. However, Dallas is due to supply far exceeding demand. That being said, you are entitled to charge what you feel is fair for your time. I've seen nothing but glowing reviews of you. As a result if you want to price yourself in an elite tier that is your perrogative. In any market, there are men of means who will pay extra for the luxuries that a session with you may entail. The high end hotel, liquor of their choice, and non rushed atmosphere are luxuries that some will gladly pay extra for. Does this mean the other ladies offer a sub par service? No, I'm sure they all do the things guys like or they wouldn't come back. It's the services beyond those that make you an elite woman.

That being said, set your rate where you feel comfotable. The free enterprise market will let you know where you stand. Myself, I'd pay the extra money to experience a one of a kind session with you. I do enjoy taking the time to talk and get to know someone before we move bcd. Again, this is something I've heard great things about you. Just my $0.02.

FTH Originally Posted by fun.time.hobbyist

Chuck,

You are so right. The economy isn't what it was ten years ago. In Austin, at least in my opinion, this economy is getting dramatically better as girls are increasing their rates and I have to turn several clients away who are willing/wanting to pay my full rate/multi-hour rate, but are turned away due to the demands of my repeat clientele and other factors. Yes, I agree that there are exceptional ladies under $200. I was definitely there one year ago when I was a $180/hr girl. Thankfully, I grandfathered so many of my loyal SATX clients into that rate and every time I come into town, they contact me. After several clients told me to increase my rates one year ago because they felt I was priced too low, I did and was so much happier and could provide my clients so much more.

Thanks for your insights on this subject!

xo

Angelina

As others have mentioned, set your rates at a figure you feel comfortable with, and the guys that have the budget will go to see you.

As for the rates going down in San Antonio, I dont think it has anything to do with the ladies, it's just what the country is going through. It's a bad economy and probably will get worse, so the hobbyist has less to spend. I think some ladies understand this and have adjusted to the economy. I am not saying a lady should, it is her own decision what she wants to do. However, the rate has nothing to do with the service, I've had some very awesome and memorable experiences under 200 an hour and i've had experiences at 250-300 where i have felt cheated. Originally Posted by Chuck12

Well since this thread still has legs, I have a few more comments...

First of all, Angelina, thanks so much for your sweet remarks. You showed a lot of poise in this thread (as elsewhere). For someone to call you "mercenary" is ridiculous. You'd be surprised how many girls here do not subscribe to the grandfathering concept.

Also, there are multiple reasons why guys here may be reluctant to part with that third benji, it's not always a value judgement. As BigAl69 hinted, it can sometimes be a personal situation that dictates how high the radar is under which we must fly.

I would like to make a generalization if I may. It does not apply to guys who have no problem dropping 500 every time they go out. I think it applies to the rest of us 'mere mortals' though. To use an analogy, when most guys go out to a restaurant, they are looking for quality food, and don't care too much about the "ambience". Women, or so guys think at least, are more into the decor and "atmosphere" and want to "feel" like they are treated well and pampered, so preferring the quality of the place over the food.

In the SA hobby, guys I think are looking for the "quality" girl, and don't care overly much about the quality of the Incall. Sure, we appreciate a good Incall, we just don't feel the need to pay "extra" for that. That's a girl thing. And so I say we have some really good quality girls here at the 200 (and even less!) level, who just don't get the more expensive Incalls, nor maybe travel as much to incur those costs either. Of course, sometimes the quality of 'atmosphere' is a reflection of the girl...and as you know I personally find location of Incall to be more important than the number of stars.

But having said that, there is only one Angelina Adams. I cannot imagine you doing things any other way. And I am sure I speak for many when I say we are glad you choose SA to be your base.

Redrum,

You are very sweet and I thank you for your words. One other thing I thought of is volume. At 300/hr, I choose to see no more than one client that day. If a girl is $100/hr, do you feel she has the same methodology or is she more high volume? I get the impression that when several ladies advertise, they are considering lining up a 10 a.m., 2 p.m. and a 7 p.m., and making the same, but putting in more work/seeing more clients. For me exclusivity is big because my health and also risk of beng hurt or robbed is an issue.

PM me and I'll work something out with you so that you don't have to save as much

xo

Angelina

Angelina,

Quite honestly you are a very beautiful woman with amazing results. I wanted to see you last time you were in town but after I saved enough you were gone. I guess you are aspirational for most hobbiest. I dont think price however equates to quality but maybe exclusivity. I have had wonderful experiences in SA with ladies for 200 and less. They were some of the most brilliant, beautiful and giving women I have ever met. With that being said, I am still saving to one day meet you Originally Posted by redrum

My sweet "Clint",

I, too, am a big fan of your diplomacy and honesty of these boards. You are one of my favorites and you know I'll always hook you up!

The grandfathering concept should be considered by most girls. It makes perfect sense and it is easier on a gentleman's wallet. Some of my best clients are those who pay me my grandfathered rates and I've had nightmare clients in California drop $2,000 on me and were total jerks. In my case, I've noticed that there are several clients I see who don't blink when paying me 3 benjis while leaving a $20-$60 tip. Most men first look at the quality of the girl, price, verifiable reviews and incall would probably come last.

When I was a $180/hr girl, I was still booking the 4-star suites and not factoring that into my rate. However, I was seeing more than one client a day back in the "Angelina is the new girl in town days". If I factored the thousands of dollars I drop on hotels, I would definitely be a $400/hr girl, not $300. I get a lot of businessmen who feel spoiled by the nice hotels, and they sort of expect it every time and some of them refuse to go to a motel or an apartment. I do think maybe the smarter choice is to find a lesser expensive hotel in between.

I had one regular client of mine tell me a nightmare situation of seeing a lady in Austin who is in the 3 benji range whose incall was horrifically run-down. It was a two-level motel-like apartment complex where the shirtless guy was out of the porch watching her swinging-door. He cited that he expected something much nicer and felt uncomfortable leaving his car in the parking lot. So, if I were in his shoes, I would definitely have an appreciation for a nicer hotel/incall in that security and atmosphere actually brings a lot of magic to the session. As tacky as it sounds, I do occassionally get the businessmen snobs who book me solely because I am that exclusive/unattainable $300/hr girl and they want those VIP accommodations and nothing less.

You are right about the quality of the girl which is why I think I've still been pretty swamped even at the 3 benjis. For me, it is my reputation and desire to remain super low-volume and more exclusive. I do, however, give my military boys and repeat lower rates for my appreciation.

I miss you and hope to see you very soon! (And yes, the mercenary comment was out of line. If you refer to the gentleman's posting history related to agencies, it explains a lot.)

Regards,

Angelina

Well since this thread still has legs, I have a few more comments...

First of all, Angelina, thanks so much for your sweet remarks. You showed a lot of poise in this thread (as elsewhere). For someone to call you "mercenary" is ridiculous. You'd be surprised how many girls here do not subscribe to the grandfathering concept.

Also, there are multiple reasons why guys here may be reluctant to part with that third benji, it's not always a value judgement. As BigAl69 hinted, it can sometimes be a personal situation that dictates how high the radar is under which we must fly.

I would like to make a generalization if I may. It does not apply to guys who have no problem dropping 500 every time they go out. I think it applies to the rest of us 'mere mortals' though. To use an analogy, when most guys go out to a restaurant, they are looking for quality food, and don't care too much about the "ambience". Women, or so guys think at least, are more into the decor and "atmosphere" and want to "feel" like they are treated well and pampered, so preferring the quality of the place over the food.

In the SA hobby, guys I think are looking for the "quality" girl, and don't care overly much about the quality of the Incall. Sure, we appreciate a good Incall, we just don't feel the need to pay "extra" for that. That's a girl thing. And so I say we have some really good quality girls here at the 200 (and even less!) level, who just don't get the more expensive Incalls, nor maybe travel as much to incur those costs either. Of course, sometimes the quality of 'atmosphere' is a reflection of the girl...and as you know I personally find location of Incall to be more important than the number of stars.

But having said that, there is only one Angelina Adams. I cannot imagine you doing things any other way. And I am sure I speak for many when I say we are glad you choose SA to be your base. Originally Posted by FootLong

Angelina,

You are correct. It is all about the perception of the hobbyist. If at the end of a session with an elite escort I feel like I got everything I was looking for in the session, I will leave feeling happy and ready to return for me. A higher price does not necessarily mean a better service. However, you're earned that reputation for a service which exceeds the typical GFE session and is worth the extra money. As a result, the higher price is worth it to certain hobbyists if the value is there. It really comes down to market dynamics as with any value added service in our economy. This explains why even in a down economy Apple was able to clean up with the iPhone and iPad.

Additionally, your higher price allows you to focus on a single client per day if you choose to do so in your business practice. As a result, all your energy and focus is on this one person. This allows you to dedicate yourself to this one person and make it a memorable experience. In a car analogy, it's like a Honda Accord vs. Aston Martin DB9. The Honda Accord is everything you need and will fulfill your needs. However, the Aston Martin will blow you away with all the extras. In the end, you get to the same destination, but it's how you get there that makes the extra money spent on an Aston Martin worth the value.

FTH

fun.time.hobbyist,

Thank you for kind words and I am thrilled that you were able to take the words right out of my mouth. There are men in every economy who have no qualms spending more on a lady who offers a unique services or has built a solid reputation over a year. In Austin, ladies are increasing their rates so maybe the strategic thing to do would to keep my business in Austin? I turn away a lot of 300/hr appointments in Austin because I am overwhelmed and get the feeling that a lot of ladies with good reputations stay busy at that rate.

The debate is interesting/insightful and as long as the hobbiest is happy, then that is all that really matters. I can't wait to meet you! You sound amazing from your e-mails and the type of client/friend I enjoy.

xo

Angelina Originally Posted by Angelina Adams

You seek to maximize your value because your "woman-hood is sacred to you." What is that? A joke?

So if what you're doing is sacrificing or disposing of your woman-hood in the process then it's just a matter of making the most of it....

You don't mind the sacrifice if it's for as much as you can get rather than less so....

There's a term for that, and it's not prostitute; it's mercenary.

Keep on amusing us with these silly but revealing statements.

btw...you are cute even if you are silly. Originally Posted by gladius

Why would you criticize anyone for trying to maximize their income/value? I know when I look for a job I expect to be paid at least the going rate for my field (I'd prefer more, but hey, there are only so many above average paying jobs). I wouldn't stay at a job where I feel undervalued and I wouldn't expect anyone else to, either. What you call mercenary I call intelligent cost-benefit analysis.

<3 Check your inbox, sweetheart.

Why would you criticize anyone for trying to maximize their income/value? I know when I look for a job I expect to be paid at least the going rate for my field (I'd prefer more, but hey, there are only so many above average paying jobs). I wouldn't stay at a job where I feel undervalued and I wouldn't expect anyone else to, either. What you call mercenary I call intelligent cost-benefit analysis. Originally Posted by txtraveler07

Thank you for understanding what I have been trying to communicate all of this time. From your e-mails, you are very similar to me in what you priortize. I am very blessed to be in communication with you and thank you for comparing me to an Aston Martin. I do love a nice Bentley Continental, but will work my way towards that one of these days.

You are an incredible human being and prospective client/friend. I can't wait to meet you!

xo

Angelina

Angelina,

You are correct. It is all about the perception of the hobbyist. If at the end of a session with an elite escort I feel like I got everything I was looking for in the session, I will leave feeling happy and ready to return for me. A higher price does not necessarily mean a better service. However, you're earned that reputation for a service which exceeds the typical GFE session and is worth the extra money. As a result, the higher price is worth it to certain hobbyists if the value is there. It really comes down to market dynamics as with any value added service in our economy. This explains why even in a down economy Apple was able to clean up with the iPhone and iPad.

Additionally, your higher price allows you to focus on a single client per day if you choose to do so in your business practice. As a result, all your energy and focus is on this one person. This allows you to dedicate yourself to this one person and make it a memorable experience. In a car analogy, it's like a Honda Accord vs. Aston Martin DB9. The Honda Accord is everything you need and will fulfill your needs. However, the Aston Martin will blow you away with all the extras. In the end, you get to the same destination, but it's how you get there that makes the extra money spent on an Aston Martin worth the value.

FTH Originally Posted by fun.time.hobbyist

Angelina

Your post are always interesting to read. Let me say first, that i do not know you.

Quality over quantity. Just because a gal is charging 100 hours does not make her high volume. It does not mean the gent she sees is giving bad services. Maybe she doesn't any better, maybe its just side money. Who knows. I charge low rates in your eyes. Im low volume, no revolving door here.

Charge whatever you like and what makes you comfortable......and have fun with it.

Lisa,

I imagine you treat every client the very best and again, just like the other ladies who have posted, YOU ARE BEAUTFUL! I am actually getting turned on by all of you beautiful women chiming in

In fairness, there could be ladies charging $500.00/hr who see 4 guys a day and ladies charging $100/hour who see just one every other day. A lot of women have careers outside of the hobby and supplement it with the clients they see.

Thanks for your words and response.

Respectfully,

Angelina

Angelina

Your post are always interesting to read. Let me say first, that i do not know you.

Quality over quantity. Just because a gal is charging 100 hours does not make her high volume. It does not mean the gent she sees is giving bad services. Maybe she doesn't any better, maybe its just side money. Who knows. I charge low rates in your eyes. Im low volume, no revolving door here.

Charge whatever you like and what makes you comfortable......and have fun with it. Originally Posted by lisa.lisa0302

Thank you

Pretty lady

As long you have fun with it.....that all that matters

I am very intrigued by you Angelina.
Some of the Ladies I see are not full-time providers but mothers, students or bored former housewives. They all have a different prospective on the Hobby and all of them have varying degrees of availability. I am very flexible on my hobby time and can therefore wait for the better providers to become available to meet.
I admire your stand and standards and this thread proves that there is room for all levels of providers.
I also understand there are some lousy providers but they don't last or advertise on CL or BP to get clients and take a huge risk in doing so.
Keep up your standards and there is room for everyone.

Personally I love an upscale incall. Of course, does it trump my attraction to the lady or the service she provides? No, but I certainly still appreciate it and it does add something special to the experience for me. I too have been very concerned about my vehicle from time to time at certain places and it actually has made me not return even though the lady was personally great.