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I was trying to be gentle when I said you need to be a 20 something beautiful girl. There is not someone for everyone in the SD/SB thing. You either meet the needs or you hit the road. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Originally Posted by John Bull

You got that correct. I know for the most part guys look for young fresh ladies who are smart and have a lot less miles on them.. But there are a ton of variables in this. Like the fat stripper at the club. Some guys like that. Some don't... To each his own.

Girl, I am glad I am glad I am not the only one looking for a SD. Some of the guys on SD4ME are wannabes trolling. Still sifting through to find those worth the time!
Good Luck!

I was trying to be gentle when I said you need to be a 20 something beautiful girl. There is not someone for everyone in the SD/SB thing. You either meet the needs or you hit the road. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Originally Posted by John Bull

John - I will put those 20 y.o.s to shame. See how many of them can have a decent conversation to fill that 8 hr. plane ride with an amazing roll in the hay. lol.

I think you guys need to stay as providers. That is why you arent in the sb forum.

Most providers ask for a BMW on the first meet Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Well the question is... How do we get into the SD/SB forum?? I promise not to ask for a BMW.

GY6 hit it out of the park, and the irony is that in our last conversation we were having a heated argument, but he is spot on here.

That said, the SD/SB forum needs to stay male only IMO. We don't review women as much as keep each other informed of the ripoffs, share tactics, and give advice. Maybe there can be a coed SB-SD forum, but I don't want the current SD forum to be PC. There are places men need to be allowed to be men.

As for Lina's comment that the SB-SD thing is just about money for sex, the SD-SB relationship is whatever two people want it to be. So it can be that, but it can be much more. I find it a little troubling to say that all I have to offer a woman is what is in my wallet and all she has to offer me is between her legs.

Some providers do have the ability to make every guy feel special, but when I did feel that way and kind of pushed it, it still came back to money with them. One high end provider cried, "I love you" when we were having sex, but I could tell it was just a reflexive phrase where she forgot I wasn't her boyfriend versus anything real.

My oldest SB relationship is with a stunner whose friends call her Angie Everhart bc she looks like the super model. She is a tall, slim 25 year old, and we have been seeing each other for over two years now. We often exchange the phrase "I love you" as a vow of our friendship and mean it. I trust Angie as much as any of my friends.

With the best relationships, you learn from one another, and I have learned a lot from Angie. She has great people skills, is incredibly giving, charming, and has a perfectionist streak when it comes to fashion. She educates me about her world, and I do likewise with mine.

They say sex is better when you are in love, but I don't think it has to be that extreme. To me, sex is best when you care about how the other person feels. Sure, some providers care, but it is more out of professional competence than about me. With Angie, it is about her pleasing me and vice versa, and it is not just sex. I enjoy visiting and being with her as much as the sex, and she is one of the best I have ever had.

One night another potential SD offered her more than twice what I was paying her for the night, and I told her to go ahead and meet him. She wouldn't hear of it, "I don't care about his money. You are my friend, and he is an asshole."

Contrary to the gold digging stereotype some think of with SBs, Angie isn't like that. I offered to cosign a loan on a car for her when her current vehicle was frequently in the shop. Instead of jumping at it, she checked out all her alternatives and finally asked if I wouldn't mind to sign. We got her a good rate, and I was glad that she picked a nice looking but financial practical car. She knows that I think my job of SD is to get her what she needs not what she wants, and this car fit the needs bill.

Lately, she had been having some family trouble. She crawled into my arms and said crying, "You are the only person in my life I can count on", and I held her and kissed away her tears. I have had to do that with two of her boyfriend breakups as well.

Like a lot of my SBs, Angie has had a less than dependable father and family. She had a full ride athletic scholarship to a major university but gave it up to care for her sick mother. For a lot of these women, they need a stable parent figure. There are too many like Angie who have been forced into the adult role at way too early an age.

She baked me a cake for my birthday and one time when I asked to meet her for dinner (at Chilis not a four star restaurant), she arrived in a panic and asked, "Is everything ok?" I said sure, and she told me that she was surprised because "You never ask me for anything."

I hadn't thought of it, but Angie's phone is always buzzing. Boyfriends, potential boyfriends, exs, and other girls blow up her phone. I call or text her one time. If she doesn't answer, I figure she is busy and will return my call when she is not. That is not the case with other people who call her ten, twenty times. I have learned that people are so desperate for the attention of a pretty girl that they will even go for negative attention and rag on said girl just to get her attention.

When one boyfriend was contemplating marriage with Angie, I remarked that I would like to see the wedding but that it probably wouldn't be appropriate for me to go. She got mad and said, "You are one of my best friends, and you'd better be there." She even said if her father wasn't alive, I would be her choice to walk her down the aisle and give her away.

So sure there is a money for sex element, but it is much, much more than that. How many people in your life can you be completely honest with? How many people in your life have your back no matter what? How many people do you trust enough to co-sign a car loan for? Whatever that number is, it rarely is ever enough.

When the tornadoes hit the metroplex Tuesday, I got calls to ask if I was okay and to take cover. There was a family member, a long time male friend, and two of my SBs. There was no short term financial gain for the SBs. They called because they cared about me, and I care about them.

You make me miss my Daddy It is true you can genuinely care (and love) someone in a SD/SB relationship. I do think everyone looks for something different- younger, older, funny, classy, slutty, blonde, brunette, black, white- no 2 people are ever looking for the same exact thing...Which is great since I am in my 30's and far from perfect, but still kind, pretty and not one to take advantage of others. Good luck to all of the ladies looking to fill that emotional/financial/intimacy void that being a provider just can not do without eventually taking a toll on your mind and body. I know it's such a wonderful feeling when you know your someone's special baby!!

c'mere busty.
We can hang out and watch a movie and eat pop corn and not worry about what lands on our shirt.

Just be prepared for the amount of the arrangement to be lower than what you make providing. The whole point of someone being a SD is to get a better price, more visits and time with her, be excuslive with her, and not to mention to go BBFS with a SB. Originally Posted by shorty

As in the hobby, or even out there in the non-hobby world and in this day and age, as long as he's married or free to see other people, SB's will expect to use protection. And they should.

And that is not the point of being an SD. Hobbying is for the hobby, let's not apply it to every intimate encounter.

The original SD's were married men with mistress and they actually had meaningful relationships. The money offered security to the mistresses and exclusivity to the men. It was not, in any way, pay for play. There were prostitutes and there were mistresses. They were not one in the same.

Now, there are pros and hobbyists hiding behind the term to skirt the law, so the term has become blurred. It's a shame really. I think both offer great perks, but there is a distinction that is lost in society's incurable ignorance and moral superiority and hypocrisy.

Happy day to everyone.

As for Lina's comment that the SB-SD thing is just about money for sex, the SD-SB relationship is whatever two people want it to be. So it can be that, but it can be much more. I find it a little troubling to say that all I have to offer a woman is what is in my wallet and all she has to offer me is between her legs. Originally Posted by woodyboyd

My thoughts exactly. It can be anything from a casually sexual relationship to love. But, my thoughts are also that if it is pay for play, it is not the SD/SB.

As in the hobby, or even out there in the non-hobby world and in this day and age, as long as he's married or free to see other people, SB's will expect to use protection. And they should. Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Well said.. And not to open up a whole new can of worms every escort out there does bareback. Be it with their SO, boyfriend, who ever. They do and that cannot be denied. Way too many have "trophies" (kids) to say they don't. And yes even I slip up every once and a while (3 kids). Just human nature.

And that is not the point of being an SD. Hobbying is for the hobby, let's not apply it to every intimate encounter. Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

It is what each person makes it. Me I prefer not to become emotionally involved with anyone. That is just what works for me. May seem cold and harsh but I can have Oscar winning preformances where people actually will believe I care.

The original SD's were married men with mistress and they actually had meaningful relationships. The money offered security to the mistresses and exclusivity to the men. It was not, in any way, pay for play. There were prostitutes and there were mistresses. They were not one in the same. Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

They had what they wanted to have. Did not have to be a "meaningful relationship" either. As pretty much stated everyone is different so painting it with a broad brush isn't exactly how I myself would do it.

Now, there are pros and hobbyists hiding behind the term to skirt the law, so the term has become blurred. It's a shame really. I think both offer great perks, but there is a distinction that is lost in society's incurable ignorance and moral superiority and hypocrisy.

Happy day to everyone. Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Being a total realist I can honestly say it is what you make it. For me it is no emotional attachment. Hell if I wanted another failed relationship I'd date one of the women hot and heavy after me. Just one rule. I hear that dreaded phrase "I love you" she is gone. I have no time/want/need for that bullshit in my live ever again.

Well said.. And not to open up a whole new can of worms every escort out there does bareback. Be it with their SO, boyfriend, who ever. They do and that cannot be denied. Way too many have "trophies" (kids) to say they don't. And yes even I slip up every once and a while (3 kids). Just human nature. Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Yikes. Talk about painting with a broad brush.

It is what each person makes it.

They had what they wanted to have. Did not have to be a "meaningful relationship" either. As pretty much stated everyone is different so painting it with a broad brush isn't exactly how I myself would do it.

You're right. Much like any relationship, it will vary from purely physical to love. I wasn't suggesting they HAD to be meaningful. I said they were not intended to be the john/hooker relationship. I was countering the other gentleman's generalization. There is a distinction and that was the basis of my statements. Nothing more.

Opinions will differ here. I'll be a hooker if I want to sell it. If I want something meaningful, I'll find an SD (or a boyfriend) - because that was meaningful in my experience. No delusions required. That would imply that we have to settle and we really, truly don't. The money had no effect on what I did in the bedroom. The chemistry did it all and I cared very much for them. Now, that's just my experience and it doesn't apply to everyone nor is it what it "should be" for everyone, or even me, all the time. It is just one example that renders the generalization that all SBs are whores, false. I'll be a whore when I want to be and I won't be when I don't want to be.

I've been told that one of the ways SD's determine if the lady they're talking with is a pro escort masquerading as a SB is if she asks if he'll use protection. The pros also can't resist talking money right up front.

You can tell if you are smart enough.
Not that hard.

I had 2 SB who used to be provider. They are very wonderful ladies and they told me that they enjoyed being with SD more than just a clients. Clients only come in and out. It because SD treat you like a princess. Not only just sex, but gain a friendship, willing to support you whatever you need, take you out to shopping or eating as fun date. It worth a try! From my experience they loves me and we talk every weeks and we became close without any drama. Last Summer I took one of SB to Las Vega and we had a great time! It never hurt to try and be sure to find a right SD!

I've been told that one of the ways SD's determine if the lady they're talking with is a pro escort masquerading as a SB is if she asks if he'll use protection. The pros also can't resist talking money right up front. Originally Posted by John Bull

Sure, only hookers use condoms. At least that's what one of my former co-workers said once. Never mind that she poured over income tax filings of our clients choosing her next "boyfriend", fucked 3 - 4 of them on any given week without condoms, planned "surprise" pregnancy for one of them, kept "borrowing" air fare to visit her family and actually uttered these pearls:

"sure I would fuck somebody for a week if he got me a car. Even 10 year old toyota"

"I just don't understand why men would ever see those dirty diseased whores. Why can't they find a nice clean girl like me?"

"Do you think his business partner will tell him that I used to sleep with him when my ex husband was working nights?"

"OMG OMG he gave me a 100 dollars last night!"

"Who uses condoms these days? Only whores".

Lets just say it was very entertaining to work next to her during the day and be Ms. Lina Pavlova after work