Not going to get into the drama here. My reasons are plain and simple...
1. I want to know exactly who and what I'm dealing with. Before seeing a provider, I check her out thoroughly. I look at her pics, read all her reviews for at least the last 6 months, ask other mongers about her, google her, see who her clients have been. If I'm uncomfortable in the slightest way, I'm out.
2. Price. 2 bills is about my limit unless I know our time together is going to be exceptional. One of my ATFs is quite a ways from me, but I don't hesitate to visit with her and drop 3 for her time. I'm happy to do so because I'm confident that our time together will be amazing. I'm not begrudging you about your fees but keep in mind that you can't charge Dallas or Houston prices here and expect stay in business long. Maybe some specials to get some guys in the door and familiar with your ladies will help.
- mwsatx
- 05-01-2014, 03:31 PM
- DirkDigglerSanAntonio
- 05-01-2014, 03:33 PM
And I dont disagree with what your saying, I often agree with all of your posts (your funny as hell BTW)
I was just stating I personally have never had that problem with Leo, and I have contacted her many times for references.
I cant speak for everyone, and obviously from the "likes" there are ladies who have had problems, I just have'nt Originally Posted by Candi Staxx
- Kuhlarrow
- 05-01-2014, 04:09 PM
Why don't these ladies come forward because all that is completely UNTRUEDrama yada yada yada....
u are entailed to your opinion but know that u need to get ur facts straight. Originally Posted by Grandeur Pleasures
Again the GREAT Don King is right on:
"i only deal with BLACK pimps..."
Lol...it is good entertainment though....
Oh and BTW who is winning the Poll?!? Is it Globicephala or Delphinapterus leucas or is that the wrong Poll?
- pickupkid
- 05-01-2014, 09:47 PM
Give it some time..you just got started
- Guest032716
- 05-01-2014, 10:26 PM
From what I've found - or not found. No showcase here on ECCIE and no P411 listing. You say in one ad you give preference to guys you know. What about guys with stellar P411 OKs?
As for why I stay away from agencies, I don't want to have to sift through 10 reviews to find the two on the girl I might be interested in. Also, I've read way too many bait and switch reviews with agencies. I don't mind working with a scheduler if the girl has independent reviews and fellow mongers I know vouch for her. I see agencies as being for guys who don't have a track record and are too busy or whatever for reading up about a girl.
As for why I stay away from agencies, I don't want to have to sift through 10 reviews to find the two on the girl I might be interested in. Also, I've read way too many bait and switch reviews with agencies. I don't mind working with a scheduler if the girl has independent reviews and fellow mongers I know vouch for her. I see agencies as being for guys who don't have a track record and are too busy or whatever for reading up about a girl.
- raistlin345
- 05-01-2014, 10:34 PM
Since everyone else is chiming in I'll throw mine in. My honest reason I do not is because I was tired of being burned. I have only recently discovered this site but have been seeing people from others from time to time overt he last year or so. I can honestly say EVERY bad experience I have ever had in this hobby was from an agency girl. I hate upsells and the girls practically never look like their pictures. Half the time it is just a random girl that is close to the same height with the same color hair/eyes.
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that yours is like this I am merely saying with my personal experience this is what I have run into. Because of this I do not trust agencies at all and if I find a girl who is in one I usually avoid them. It is more of a personal preference than anything. On top of that it cuts money away. As you said earlier the price is usually the same for me as if they were independent. This may be true but that just means the girls get less money themselves. I understand the point of it saving them time posting and screening etc and I do not argue with it one bit just another one of those feelings.
Not all guys on here do it just for the thrill. I personally am involved in this hobby because I purely enjoy the company of a woman and find no better joy than pleasing one. I have noticed that most of the truly good women I have spent time with did this merely for fun and some spending money on the side. Those are the ones I enjoy because they honestly enjoy their job and what they do. It is not a way to make any kind of living. It is hard to get a personal connection to a client through an agency.
I assure you I do not care who runs an agency or even who works in one in the long run. It all comes down to preference. For instance I think out of the girls you have in the agency there is maybe only 1 or 2 I would be interested in ever possibly seeing and that is because they look good to my personal preference. Another guy here may think the ones I like are hideous. To each his own. You don't necessarily need to give up and I do not mind you posting this question either. If this is truly in an effort to help out the girls with their service then I honestly applaud your work but in the end these things usually always come down to money.
I'm happy to delve into any of this in more detail if wanted but thought I would throw it out there for you.
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that yours is like this I am merely saying with my personal experience this is what I have run into. Because of this I do not trust agencies at all and if I find a girl who is in one I usually avoid them. It is more of a personal preference than anything. On top of that it cuts money away. As you said earlier the price is usually the same for me as if they were independent. This may be true but that just means the girls get less money themselves. I understand the point of it saving them time posting and screening etc and I do not argue with it one bit just another one of those feelings.
Not all guys on here do it just for the thrill. I personally am involved in this hobby because I purely enjoy the company of a woman and find no better joy than pleasing one. I have noticed that most of the truly good women I have spent time with did this merely for fun and some spending money on the side. Those are the ones I enjoy because they honestly enjoy their job and what they do. It is not a way to make any kind of living. It is hard to get a personal connection to a client through an agency.
I assure you I do not care who runs an agency or even who works in one in the long run. It all comes down to preference. For instance I think out of the girls you have in the agency there is maybe only 1 or 2 I would be interested in ever possibly seeing and that is because they look good to my personal preference. Another guy here may think the ones I like are hideous. To each his own. You don't necessarily need to give up and I do not mind you posting this question either. If this is truly in an effort to help out the girls with their service then I honestly applaud your work but in the end these things usually always come down to money.
I'm happy to delve into any of this in more detail if wanted but thought I would throw it out there for you.
- DifferentStrokes
- 05-01-2014, 10:54 PM
Sheeesh! This thread is a dooozy!
DD - You bring some good points. Many of men with history on this board would be hesitate of any provider who may have made odd movements time to time- one would assume those reservations would increase if said provider opted to start an agency.
LL - I believe your questions are valid and seem to come from a genuine place but to throw in the towel after receiving feedback that wasnt exactly flattering doesnt do much for your argument or business if you were to continue said business. That said- new endeavors, especially ones of quality, take time to be successful. if this business is truly something you believe in and youre honestly wanting to help your staff it is a disservice to both when you publicly rant or complain so early on. Either way, good luck with your ultimate decision.
My 2 Pennies - No matter how anyone woukd like to spin this hobby, when all is said in done it is nothing more than a business transaction. No one wants to pay inflated rates on a product when they have the opportunity to buy wholesale and save money. IMO the hardest part for an Agency is gaining trust and retaining privacy since theres more hands in the fold. This a sub culture, a secret society, and no one limes or wants to increase there chances of being exposed.
DD - You bring some good points. Many of men with history on this board would be hesitate of any provider who may have made odd movements time to time- one would assume those reservations would increase if said provider opted to start an agency.
LL - I believe your questions are valid and seem to come from a genuine place but to throw in the towel after receiving feedback that wasnt exactly flattering doesnt do much for your argument or business if you were to continue said business. That said- new endeavors, especially ones of quality, take time to be successful. if this business is truly something you believe in and youre honestly wanting to help your staff it is a disservice to both when you publicly rant or complain so early on. Either way, good luck with your ultimate decision.
My 2 Pennies - No matter how anyone woukd like to spin this hobby, when all is said in done it is nothing more than a business transaction. No one wants to pay inflated rates on a product when they have the opportunity to buy wholesale and save money. IMO the hardest part for an Agency is gaining trust and retaining privacy since theres more hands in the fold. This a sub culture, a secret society, and no one limes or wants to increase there chances of being exposed.
- sms918
- 05-01-2014, 11:55 PM
Not to chime in but
agency= scares people, I won't comment
leo= good rep., never had any problems with getting a ref.
Ddsa= women push" like" if happened to you. Anybody can push, doesn't mean anything.
I wish all providers gave fast or any refs, but they don't. Some don't for hobbyists that they feel they shouldn't, others don't because it's not getting them any money so they don't care.
I believe I saw a comment like she's the "only" provider that doesn't do refs. Maybe not for certain hobbyists, but obviously for she does for others. Actual providers texted that, not s ome anominous "like"
***interesting idea about being verified once and seeing different. But like another said, certain hobbyists see agency and others see indies.
agency= scares people, I won't comment
leo= good rep., never had any problems with getting a ref.
Ddsa= women push" like" if happened to you. Anybody can push, doesn't mean anything.
I wish all providers gave fast or any refs, but they don't. Some don't for hobbyists that they feel they shouldn't, others don't because it's not getting them any money so they don't care.
I believe I saw a comment like she's the "only" provider that doesn't do refs. Maybe not for certain hobbyists, but obviously for she does for others. Actual providers texted that, not s ome anominous "like"
***interesting idea about being verified once and seeing different. But like another said, certain hobbyists see agency and others see indies.
- hagetaga34
- 05-02-2014, 12:04 AM
+1
I have noticed that most of the truly good women I have spent time with did this merely for fun and some spending money on the side. Those are the ones I enjoy because they honestly enjoy their job and what they do. Originally Posted by raistlin345
Also, the requirement on the website to put full name was a no go for me.
- ck1942
- 05-02-2014, 08:09 AM
Damn shame that an entrepreneur/impressario has to run the gauntlet and get shot down.
GP was very (still is, far as I am concerned) very legitimate.
Those who well knew that Leo is very legitimate could easily (as I did) place some trust in her judgement in both introducing ladies as legitimate and in some big measure not only as legitimate but that these ladies would live up to their website activities list.
GP has more than a few very legitimate, well-known reviewers' endorsement.
For those who don't trust agencies, I sympathize. I am very leery of agencies and "managers," too until and unless I know well what their reputations might be.
Leo's point about bringing new providers into the hobby is well on point, even more so because Leo is the one underwriting their connections, with a well furnished in-call (hey, that costs $$$) and spending an inordinate amount of time handling the inquiries and the verification and the scheduling. I don't know about "personnel training" but my one experience so far reflected at least some discussion for sure.
Remember that all of those forgoing activities if not handled well are what usually undermines ladies' ability to properly enter the biz, never mind what happens BCD. And their capability of making it in the biz, too.
I early on endorsed GP as legitimate, and, for those who might also be interested, I have endorsed other agencies and "managers" who all of us know of, etc., but only after examination (not a gynecological exam!) of their credentials.
I am hoping that all of the GP ladies continue in the hobby and I'll wish them well here (and bcd, too) and if they need a hand I hope Leo continues her generosity in sharing her experience with them.
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jmho - not sure why so much rancor about this agency and virtually none toward the other agencies/managers operating either in the open or behind the scenes in San Antonio.
Including more than a handful who appear as individuals, but who advertise their connection with other ladies. e.g, these are agencies masquerading as Indies.
"Just introducing so-and-so before she creates her own account" kind of thing. No kidding! One of the keys to figuring this out is when the new "Indies" continue using their sponsor's incall. Ditto for the "common look" down to illustrations, text, typeface and all popping up within five minutes of each other in the ad forums. Never mind new handles with elements in common!
= = = = =
I am confident that the GP ladies I have met well knew of the agency's website, and that none of these ladies was coerced or mislead about how their hourly time and pay was used to support them and the agency operations.
I predict that their rates, when and if they go independent, will be equal to or more than the projected (250) agency rates and unless they are well enough organized as Indies to share the expense of a common in-call, one can predict with some degree of confidence some major fee increases. Worse, one can also predict unless their TCB indoctrination is very complete and well learned, or their TCB is handled by an experiences "secretary," their TCB won't necessarily be anywhere what it ought to be early on, and that could be a big stumbling block.
Like many other newly Indy ladies, they no doubt will experience some bumps (and grinds!) along the way in their Indy careers, if indeed they can overcome the issues of going Indy so abruptly and early and they can survive the likely negativity of being solo.
But I wish them, too, the best of luck!
GP was very (still is, far as I am concerned) very legitimate.
Those who well knew that Leo is very legitimate could easily (as I did) place some trust in her judgement in both introducing ladies as legitimate and in some big measure not only as legitimate but that these ladies would live up to their website activities list.
GP has more than a few very legitimate, well-known reviewers' endorsement.
For those who don't trust agencies, I sympathize. I am very leery of agencies and "managers," too until and unless I know well what their reputations might be.
Leo's point about bringing new providers into the hobby is well on point, even more so because Leo is the one underwriting their connections, with a well furnished in-call (hey, that costs $$$) and spending an inordinate amount of time handling the inquiries and the verification and the scheduling. I don't know about "personnel training" but my one experience so far reflected at least some discussion for sure.
Remember that all of those forgoing activities if not handled well are what usually undermines ladies' ability to properly enter the biz, never mind what happens BCD. And their capability of making it in the biz, too.
I early on endorsed GP as legitimate, and, for those who might also be interested, I have endorsed other agencies and "managers" who all of us know of, etc., but only after examination (not a gynecological exam!) of their credentials.
I am hoping that all of the GP ladies continue in the hobby and I'll wish them well here (and bcd, too) and if they need a hand I hope Leo continues her generosity in sharing her experience with them.
= = = = =
jmho - not sure why so much rancor about this agency and virtually none toward the other agencies/managers operating either in the open or behind the scenes in San Antonio.
Including more than a handful who appear as individuals, but who advertise their connection with other ladies. e.g, these are agencies masquerading as Indies.
"Just introducing so-and-so before she creates her own account" kind of thing. No kidding! One of the keys to figuring this out is when the new "Indies" continue using their sponsor's incall. Ditto for the "common look" down to illustrations, text, typeface and all popping up within five minutes of each other in the ad forums. Never mind new handles with elements in common!
= = = = =
I am confident that the GP ladies I have met well knew of the agency's website, and that none of these ladies was coerced or mislead about how their hourly time and pay was used to support them and the agency operations.
I predict that their rates, when and if they go independent, will be equal to or more than the projected (250) agency rates and unless they are well enough organized as Indies to share the expense of a common in-call, one can predict with some degree of confidence some major fee increases. Worse, one can also predict unless their TCB indoctrination is very complete and well learned, or their TCB is handled by an experiences "secretary," their TCB won't necessarily be anywhere what it ought to be early on, and that could be a big stumbling block.
Like many other newly Indy ladies, they no doubt will experience some bumps (and grinds!) along the way in their Indy careers, if indeed they can overcome the issues of going Indy so abruptly and early and they can survive the likely negativity of being solo.
But I wish them, too, the best of luck!
- Guest100114-1
- 05-02-2014, 08:28 AM
In filling out the short form on the website, why would anyone put down your real name? Make it up as long as you identify your handle. All it does is go to your email that you provide. Nothing personal involved. It's VERY easy if that's what anyone is concerned with.
- JohnnyYanks
- 05-02-2014, 08:54 AM
- Guest101314
- 05-02-2014, 08:58 AM
Aw Leo! I'm sorry to hear you are having troubles.
As another provider trying to start my own businesses, please don't give up so early. I've been doing a couple of things for about a month now and I'm starting to see good results. You just need a change in game plan.
I saw a comment about sifting through reviews... maybe have each girl sign up on here so she can have her own reviews on her own profile? Still link it to the agency and LL can oversee. Link to website profile for easy access.
Forms on site for appointments.... I cannot say how much easier scheduling is with the form I have on my site. I'm using it mainly for newbies but I would love it if every new person would fill it out.
Regarding references... I have never had any problem with Leo giving me a reference.
Regarding her photographs and bait and switching... I think very highly of her photographs. She's very talented and I highly doubt there would be any baiting and switching... I'm confident those girls are represented correctly.
Leo is a professional. She's been here a while and I see what she was trying to do with the agency. I think you guys are giving her too hard of a time. If you saw her while she was by herself, why not see her girls? That seems silly to me. And the complaints about the cost... again, she is providing everything. Should she not be paid? I'm very confused with some of your trains of thought here.
As another provider trying to start my own businesses, please don't give up so early. I've been doing a couple of things for about a month now and I'm starting to see good results. You just need a change in game plan.
I saw a comment about sifting through reviews... maybe have each girl sign up on here so she can have her own reviews on her own profile? Still link it to the agency and LL can oversee. Link to website profile for easy access.
Forms on site for appointments.... I cannot say how much easier scheduling is with the form I have on my site. I'm using it mainly for newbies but I would love it if every new person would fill it out.
Regarding references... I have never had any problem with Leo giving me a reference.
Regarding her photographs and bait and switching... I think very highly of her photographs. She's very talented and I highly doubt there would be any baiting and switching... I'm confident those girls are represented correctly.
Leo is a professional. She's been here a while and I see what she was trying to do with the agency. I think you guys are giving her too hard of a time. If you saw her while she was by herself, why not see her girls? That seems silly to me. And the complaints about the cost... again, she is providing everything. Should she not be paid? I'm very confused with some of your trains of thought here.
- Maxx
- 05-02-2014, 10:22 AM
I'm not sure it has been mentioned in the thread cause I haven't read all the posts but, I've always found that with agency girls there always seems to be the up sell. Mind you, I haven't tried an agency in years. But, you schedule, expecting a nice rendezvous, you meet, things get going nicely and then, stop ..... oh,for that it will be an additional amount. Kinda kills the mood. Not saying your agency is like that Leo, but over the years I have to say I've had an 80 - 85% percentage of up sell when I've tried an agency. Just my .02
Lookin at the Agency reviews, your agency seems to be getting quite a few hits recently. Maybe I have to re-visit my thoughts about agencies and visit your agency
Lookin at the Agency reviews, your agency seems to be getting quite a few hits recently. Maybe I have to re-visit my thoughts about agencies and visit your agency
- repete offender
- 05-02-2014, 11:31 AM
Can't we all just get along??? LOL