Dr. Ben Carson another Tea Party Hypocrite

Rather than bashing Carson; the black community should be asking themselves =

Has Obama ruined the chances for another black man to become president of the USA?

It is typical RWW/Tea Party "logic":

--i got mine, now don't tax me to give anyone else theirs
--cut gov't spending, but not in my district
--cut gov't programs, but not the ones I favor
--don't export jobs, but cut wages at home
--hold people accountable but gut the enforcement mechanisms to do so

Nothing new really. Originally Posted by Old-T

It's a philosophy not confined to just conservatives. That goes on at every level with both parties.

When is the last time you watched Mr. Smith goes to Washington? Very little has actually changed.

I got one more Silver Dollar....and ain't gonna let'em catch me now, no I ain't gonna let ' em catch the midnight rider



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Ben Carson has been on my radar since 1996 so he's not new to me, and I've been following Mia Love since 2009-2010; My problem with them is not that they are republicans but that they are hypocrites and promote ideas that don't stand up to the lowest level of scrutiny.... Government programs aren't evil by nature and if they were honest about this and instead talked about how to make the programs better, they'd win far more votes and be taken more seriously. Originally Posted by blackmaleindallas

So what exactly are those "ideas that don't stand up to the lowest level of scrutiny"? If their ideas are as flimsy as you claim, then why don't you attack those ideas instead of desperately trying to dig up whatever dirt you can find about their personal lives?

I doubt if you ever really listened to either of them. Find me a quote where Carson or Love said all government programs are "evil" by nature. You don't even understand why conservatives are skeptical of government. It's not about good v. evil. It's about efficiency v. waste. In the private sector, if you screw up you go out of business. In the government, if you screw up you get more funding.

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It's about efficiency v. waste. In the private sector, if you screw up you go out of business. In the government, if you screw up you get more funding.

. Originally Posted by lustylad

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The system Dr. Carson grew up in is designed to keep people down and dependent on government. He did not succeed because of the system, he succeeded in spite of the system. Better than most, he can identify those parts of the system which are truly helpful in promoting economic independence, and which do not. The idea that one must continue to worship the system they were brought up in is no better than slavery. Thank God our Founders didn't feel that way. "Look at those colonists. After all we did for them, and now they turn on us!" OT, WE and their ilk are the hypocrites, not Dr. Carson.

Dr Carson knows one perspective .... that does not make him an expert on welfare reform. Hell he might be a learned expert but if he is it isn't because of the reason you boys are implying.


I've never seen a bigger group of goobers decry government and then cry for that very government to protect them from say getting the Ebola shits!



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So what exactly are those "ideas that don't stand up to the lowest level of scrutiny"? If their ideas are as flimsy as you claim, then why don't you attack those ideas instead of desperately trying to dig up whatever dirt you can find about their personal lives?

I doubt if you ever really listened to either of them. Find me a quote where Carson or Love said all government programs are "evil" by nature. You don't even understand why conservatives are skeptical of government. It's not about good v. evil. It's about efficiency v. waste. In the private sector, if you screw up you go out of business. In the government, if you screw up you get more funding.

. Originally Posted by lustylad

First off I'm not a democrat/liberal. I'm not a republican/conservative either. I dislike political parties in general. I vote according to my conscience and try to inform myself on all issues prior to voting, which means I end up voting for candidates from different political parties each election.

That said, this thread started out with Ben Carson's ideas on the welfare state, which are that the presence of welfare programs for the poor makes them lazy and dependent on the government. This is a common belief among conservatives, but Ben Carson's inspirational life story contradicts that belief. He and his mother were welfare recipients but it didn't make them lazy or dependent on the government. Millions of other Americans are just like them. Those are simply the facts and I'm not digging up dirt by mentioning that; he mentioned these things in his book "Gifted Hands" that I read in 1996. These are simply facts and he's simply a hypocrite with ideas about welfare that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Mia Love always talks about her family "never taking a dime from the government". That's one of her slogans, and something she was quick to quote the night she got elected. I guess she doesn't count her parents receiving amnesty and/or her parents being illegal immigrants as never taking a dime from the government. This is basic hypocrisy. She'd be far better off saying yeah my parents overstayed their visas or received amnesty by virtue of her being born in America and how she can empathize with those that came to this country to find a better life instead of lying about the facts in order to keep the campaign donations coming in and to continue to be propped up by the Republican establishment. I hope you're aware that most of her campaign funding came from out of state, by the way, to the tune of 90%. So much for all politics being local...

Where has Carson said he isn't in favor of government helping the less fortunate?

Answer: He has never said such a thing.

Liberals can't stomach the idea of a conservative black voter; much less a conservative black politician. For some psycho-sick reason they feel it is their duty to tear those persons down - personally and politically.

Be careful blackmaleindallas! You sound rational. That is a rare commodity on this particular forum and some of the inmates feel obligated to attack rational thoughts.

Dr Ben Carson is the type of man this country needs. .. but we are to far gone.

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The system Dr. Carson grew up in is designed to keep people down and dependent on government. He did not succeed because of the system, he succeeded in spite of the system. Better than most, he can identify those parts of the system which are truly helpful in promoting economic independence, and which do not. The idea that one must continue to worship the system they were brought up in is no better than slavery. Thank God our Founders didn't feel that way. "Look at those colonists. After all we did for them, and now they turn on us!" OT, WE and their ilk are the hypocrites, not Dr. Carson. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I actually agree with much of your point--my frustration is most conservatives want to throw out the good parts with the bad, and most liberals want to keep the back parts with the good. We have been living with a political system that is more about winning than thinking.

It's a philosophy not confined to just conservatives. That goes on at every level with both parties.

When is the last time you watched Mr. Smith goes to Washington? Very little has actually changed. Originally Posted by boardman

Not going to disagree with you. I tend to poke at the RWWs here more because they are a target rich environment of irrational posters. On other boards I poke at the LWWs because they are the predominant vermin there.

Rather than bashing Carson; the black community should be asking themselves =

Has Obama ruined the chances for another black man to become president of the USA? Originally Posted by Whirlaway

This is the most absurd statement on this post. Obama has been elected twice dimwitt how in the hell would he have ruined the chances o another Black man to become President of the USA- if anything he has increased the chances of minorities to run for office regardless of political party- hence Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Ben Carson, and Herman Cain.