Hagglers - what is it they really want?

I negotiated with my kids dentist and orthodontist some deals. Is this haggling?

I constantly negotiate with advertising agencies, copywriters, PR, social media consultants, software developers etc. for better rates and better deals. Is this haggling?

I negotiated with my kids tutors their rates. Is this haggling?

I negotiated with an engineering firm their rates for installing heavy equipment in Mexico. Is this haggling?

I negotiated my salary with every single one of my employers for the past 20 years. Were the employers or my self haggling?

Every single one of my clients negotiated their contracts and especially the engineering part. Were they haggling?

If you answer yes to any of these questions then you would be one of those expecting that
Harvard, Stanford, MIT and most business schools in this country to change the title for their "Negotiation Courses" to "Haggling Courses"

Anyways...My approach to negotiating in the hobby is simple. I never negotiate at first. Sticker price is welcome and paid. But If I like the provider and I revisit more than twice, then I will ask if she has specials or if I am ever interested in multiple hours or in going for drinks and food before the session, I will ask for a different rate. Most of the ladies I see never had a problem with this, but many considere this, haggling.

How come it is never considered haggling with legit businesses but in the hobby some people are trying to portray this as a major offense?

Go Figure!

Have a great Sunday

I have got to say, you all have no one to blame but yourselves. There are all kinds of reviews on here showing different rates for the same ladies. You see stupid stuff like DM altering her ads every few dates up or down $10. Almost all of you do the regulars/grandfathered rates thing. While some never alter their rates, most have specials, which shows your willing to bang for less sometimes.

People want consistency and to not feel like they are paying more than others and "getting ripped off".

The other reason is it evidently works. There are a lot of snide comments made by a lot of guys on here that they pay less for most providers. That just adds to the above feeling.

Before any one starts, there is not a provider in Houston that can say I asked for a lower rate after asking what her current rate was. Just not worth the hassle. The closest I came was somewhat incredulous convo with a provider that wanted to charge me 20% more on a two hour than if I paid for two one hour appointments back to back. Knowing it wasn't going to happen, I do admit to screwing with her a bit as I tend to dislike stupid business logic. Originally Posted by citizen44

I negotiated with my kids dentist and orthodontist some deals. Is this haggling?

I constantly negotiate with advertising agencies, copywriters, PR, social media consultants, software developers etc. for better rates and better deals. Is this haggling?

I negotiated with my kids tutors their rates. Is this haggling?

I negotiated with an engineering firm their rates for installing heavy equipment in Mexico. Is this haggling?

I negotiated my salary with every single one of my employers for the past 20 years. Were the employers or my self haggling?

Every single one of my clients negotiated their contracts and especially the engineering part. Were they haggling?

If you answer yes to any of these questions then you would be one of those expecting that
Harvard, Stanford, MIT and most business schools in this country to change the title for their "Negotiation Courses" to "Haggling Courses"

Anyways...My approach to negotiating in the hobby is simple. I never negotiate at first. Sticker price is welcome and paid. But If I like the provider and I revisit more than twice, then I will ask if she has specials or if I am ever interested in multiple hours or in going for drinks and food before the session, I will ask for a different rate. Most of the ladies I see never had a problem with this, but many considere this, haggling.

How come it is never considered haggling with legit businesses but in the hobby some people are trying to portray this as a major offense?

Go Figure!

Have a great Sunday Originally Posted by 4karlos

Alright, stupid logic and "hooker math" rarely add up, so I give you that one, citizen44, but I'd like to address some of the other things that you and 4karlos mentioned.

Reviews with varying rates could be due to specials, yes, but WHY providers are sometime willing to "bang for less" is totally immaterial. Maybe we do need the money, but might it also be because we are understanding and want to give you fellows a break once in a while? Maybe we want to gain attention for a new service that we may have begun offering? Maybe something totally different; I ran my latest special to bring an issue to the forefront, the Sweet Pea Memorial Pet Food Drive, and do some good while I was being bad. (Hey, we all need brownie points banked for Heaven.) Maybe, no DEFINITELY, it doesn't matter because it is OUR reason, not what anyone else thinks it should be, and it is as private as anything else in our lives aside from Hobby activities.

As for review rate variations due to grandfathered clients (or, as I like to call them, "grandfancied"), many business reward clients for loyalty, and ALL businesses increase their rates as the cost of living rises. (You could call it "cost of loving." ) Don't we providers have the same rights? That inconsistency might be remedied if the review form had a, "Have you seen this provider before?" line in it. (I don't know, but I don't think it does from what I can see publicly.)

None of this indicates that we providers expect or are willing to haggle, not does it excuse such behavior from gentleman who see "other providers doing it." The Online Dictionary defines "haggle" as to "dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something." The very definition (which is different from polite businesslike negotiation) includes negative words like "dispute" and "persistent." Haggling with providers is insulting to us, and YES, a major offense, 4karlos, because it is nearly always done with a complete lack of respect, like we are selling a frying pan at the flea market. I somehow doubt, 4karlos, that you negotiated a price break with your kids' tutor by using this bargaining tool: "Hey, baby, I only have $150, but don't you want to f*** this big dick?"

This is what we do for a living, and it is, at best, an unstable profession highly dependent upon fluctuations in the economy and other circumstances. The average gentleman has a job where he knows exactly how much money he will see in his paycheck, can take his paid leave time if he misses a few days, so he can budget accordingly. We have no idea what kind of income we will have from week to week, and no play, no pay when things like the flu or Mother Nature hang around.

Believe it or not, we ladies are not getting rich off this. Yes, it seems a lot, an hour averaging $200 or more, but with fiscal tightening and the continually expanding competition for a fellow's dwindling recreational dollars, most providers are still in the low-to-middle class income bracket, no better or worse than the gentlemen that they serve. Why SHOULD they haggle when they offer a fair value? Which brings up another point; do fellows actually believe that they are getting the BEST performance out of a provider who they have haggled the price down with? Remember, you often get the quality that you pay for. I'm not talking price point, here, but how bad you pissed off some hard-working girl who needed that $20-$40 you talked her out of, and than includes booking an hour and then showing up and haggling her down to half an hour. She may be too professional to show it, but trust me, she is counting every minute of time until you leave.

There is no reason for a fellow to EVER stray from the posted rate, unless a lady indicates that she may be bargaining for something, like auto repairs or a new dishwasher, and those requests are usually found in the ISO section. As for the guys who brag about bagging a lady for less and shroud it in demeaning terms, shame on you. You think that is something to be PROUD of? Really?

Back to the OP's original question of WHY gents haggle... Aside from those who really are just cheap or unwilling to be realistic about their budgets, there is the "power" thing, and that, in my experience, is why many of them do it. I have seen a number of Indian gentleman, btw, and many fellows of all ethnic backgrounds in blue collar occupations who you would think could not afford the Hobby, yet they were wonderful, and, again, in my experience, they were not the ones wanting to haggle a discount or who ran way overtime and didn't pay for the extra time.

It was the well-heeled business executive, because it gave him a kick to see if he could control me. Doesn't work well with an Irish lass, believe me.

I have a couple of Indian friends, and every single one of them will haggle at the gentlemen's clubs. It can be funny but embarrassing at the same time. I chalk it up to their wives shutting down the sex factory once the kids were born...yes every single one of them that I hang out with has the same sob story. I believe it could be a cultural thing. So they spend lots of $ on a consistent basis in order to supplement the lack of sexual attention. Most guys will stop and think...Damn, I've blown my hobby budget this month 4x over...thanks a lot you stupid penis. Time to take a break and let the funds recharge. Not my Indian buddies...when the funds are low...if they can't find a special, they'll try to manifest one.

There are many types of calls a call-girl may get, but the most dreaded one might be that of the habitual haggler. This may be a bit of a rant, but the truth is I really am intrigued by the psychology behind it. I mean, what is it they are really looking for? A great date? Or the feeling like you got the better end of the deal?

I mean, I kinda get it. Sometimes when I go shopping, I find the most beautiful pair of shoes that match perfectly with the dress I was planning to wear that evening, and when I realize the shoes are on clearance, I'm extra extra happy! But the thing is, had the shoes not been on clearance, I would have bought them anyway because it's exactly what I wanted and thus they already have VALUE to me, despite whatever they COST. But if they're not on clearance, I surely am not going to go and ask the clerk for a discount, because that is just ridiculous... so why embarrass myself?

So, when it comes to booking a lady for the evening, why do some gents feel like it is appropriate to ask for a special deal? Do they sometimes get away with it? I mean, are there ladies out there that actually negotiate with them and lower their rates just to see the client?

I don't often get this type of call, but I am specially intrigued by this today because I had a gentleman call me and try to lower my posted amount by 28%! When I declined him, he said "work with me" and offered a slightly more generous amount. At this point the issue is about the principle and the character of the person - I do not want to see someone who will not VALUE the time I spend with them. Moreover, this is actually the third time that he contacts me with the same request. I declined him twice last year and he just does not give up. He may think I don't remember him, or my mood towards this issue has changed since then.. who knows.

For the ladies, what is your response to hagglers? Are there any ladies out there that are willing to negotiate? Do ladies in the 200's and 100's also get this type of call?

For the gents that may have been in this situation in the past - what is your train of thought when you face the decision of negotiating rates with the ladies? Is it that you are unwilling or unable to pay her rate? Or is it less about the money, and more about the feeling that you got a better deal than the rest? Why not just call someone you can afford?

One final observation, I love people of all colors of the rainbows and I have had dates with a variety of gentlemen, but it has occurred to me that those of Indian heritage have a greater tendency to negotiate. Is this something cultural? Is there a history behind this? *Disclaimer* I don't intend to generalize, I have several Indian/Middle Eastern friends with whom I have had no donation problems; but when I come across a haggler, more often than not he is Indian. Originally Posted by Johanna

Yes, then it's much less about the $$, I just turn off. If it's not that far off depending if I need it or not, I might. But then I realize after I gave half ass service. It's a complete turn off. Went from 350 outcall to 300, and just the negotiations had me in robot mode. If you treat me like a discount purchase then I'm not sure I'll give you 110%. I actually have pride in gfe/pse, so I just avoid it because I don't need the reputation of giving poor service. Worse when someone tries to negotiate on already special rates ugh...

Haggle all you want...just don't post some idiotic "she's got GPS" thread after she turns you down...

Haggle all you want...just don't post some idiotic "she's got GPS" thread after she turns you down... Originally Posted by Wakeup

Or... Or.... Or..... pay what the young lady asks and have great time!
Either that or.... (drum roll here, ya'll) call one who is more in your price range. ???

People that don't take the time
to read your information are
RUDE & inconsiderate.
You took invested time to
have professional pictures
done for the viewing of
potential clients and other
vital information on your
website/advertising.
Business manners are
expected and the lame
excuses are motivated at
self centered patrons.
The same people that make
these excuses wouldn't appreciate
their boss haggling them everyday
of their life to settle for less pay.
The man wouldn't feel appreciated
or valued for his work.

If I like the provider and I revisit more than twice, then I will ask if she has specials or if I am ever interested in multiple hours or in going for drinks and food before the session, I will ask for a different rate. Most of the ladies I see never had a problem with this, but many considere this, haggling.

How come it is never considered haggling with legit businesses but in the hobby some people are trying to portray this as a major offense? Originally Posted by 4karlos

Nothing wrong with taking advantage of a good deal when it's offered to you but.....

Does this tactic work when you eat at a favorite restaurant but don't want to pay full menu price because you've eaten there before?......If it does work....do you really want to eat the meal from the chef whom you just told his food isn't worth what he charges?....you might get an extra ingredient or two....ijs


Oh almost forgot.....you Jew down your kids dentist?

This really has only happened to me once and just about a month or so ago. This guy is known about posting to receive "The best BBBJ" in Houston. So, as most of the Providers are 100/BNG. So am I. As I know I'm worth it. But I do offer "gift's" differently to those that I see on a regular basis. So this guy tries negoitating my gift, all because he can't make it too my incall, which I have certain hours for...otherwise I will do a car date for bng (which is listed on my website). Then tells me that he will be driving from Spring and has to take toll roads so if I could give him a break. At first I think he mentioned 60. But I told him I won't for less then 80. Then he wanted me to get another incall so he didn't have to do the car date. DUDE....READ MY F'N WEBSITE....It says that I do not do outcalls for BNG only. That if you can't make my regular hours at my incall that I would meet you in a parking lot. So that for one is very frustrating, when I spell out everything on my website for him to get all pissy ......... Originally Posted by Cyndi Lyn

heh

heh Originally Posted by dearhunter

fuggg.. heh

Oh almost forgot.....you Jew down your kids dentist?[/QUOTE]

embarrassing themselves by being
broke. I got the answerTHEY ARE BROKE

Oh almost forgot.....you Jew down your kids dentist? Originally Posted by siberia

embarrassing themselves by being
broke. I got the answerTHEY ARE BROKE[/QUOTE]



I like being Broke... nobody bothers me.....


( the bill collectors, don't even know where to start)

That offer of the coke bottle and the shiny nickles, is still good....

I've always found it most convenient to say, "I'm sorry, I don't think I'm your lady." Short sweet and gets the point across. I think it's ungentlemanlike and tactless to try to sway a donation amount.

Since you broke l4b, i will buy the food
and you cook.
Pay you to wash and dry my clothes.
Shave my legs, wash my hair &
paint my nails.
$300
I go in style.

Oh almost forgot.....you Jew down your kids dentist? Originally Posted by siberia

I wonder which is worst: Negotiating or being a racist bitch.

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