I AM ON THE TRUMP BANDWAGON...WHY?

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He will keep the GOP debates lively and entertaining but his gaffes will torpedo him as a serious candidate.... is anyone paying attention to Carly Fiorina? No gaffes there. Everything that comes out of her mouth is spot-on!

. Originally Posted by lustylad

Isn't she also polling less than the margin of error?

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Is there a handwriting expert in the house? I would love an analysis of that signature!

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Isn't she also polling less than the margin of error? Originally Posted by shanm

It's way too early to talk polls, she-man. You seem to be following the "Republitards" very closely. Nobody wants to be front-runner so early in the race - think about how you feel whenever you "peak too soon" with your boyfriends... if she is low in the polls right now, she has no place to go but up - which will happen once people hear her in the debates... she would also make an excellent running mate and she is the Hildabeast's worst nightmare!

no place to go but up Originally Posted by lustylad

Yes, story of your life isn't it?


Typical response of a gutter snipe. Filled with insults, with absolutely nothing to say worth anything.

Just listen to Carly, she-man... she scares you, doesn't she? What happens to that phony "war on women" meme when you start attacking her? Of course you'd much rather lock horns with the Donald but that ain't gonna happen.

Trump won't disrespect us like Obama has on the world stage. His list of "Apologies For America" would be 0...compared that to Obama:

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...d-a-superpower Originally Posted by Whirlaway

1. Obama hasn't "disrespected us", unless "us" means you and the rest of your merry band of mouth-breathing right wing whacko loons. This is shit that exists solely in the collective conservative mind and it emanates from ODS. It's a disease, you can't help it.

2. The Donald is a joke. He's a punchline you silly asshat. The very idea that you or any other republican would back this douchebag to be the President of the United States of America is an insult to the Grand Old Party, past and present. Can you imagine what Ronald Reagan would think of The Donald being the GOP nominee for POTUS? Or Dwight Eisenhower? Neither would believe it. They would laugh out loud at the joke.

Are you feeling alright? You haven't been hanging out with JD, drinking poison moonshine, have you?

Just listen to Carly, she-man... she scares you, doesn't she? What happens to that phony "war on women" meme when you start attacking her? Of course you'd much rather lock horns with the Donald but that ain't gonna happen. Originally Posted by lustylad

Ladd, nobody outside of semi-serious political junkies, no one even knows who Carly Fiorina is.....and you are deluding yourself if you think Fiorina scares Hillary Clinton. What the heck could Carly Fiorina do that wouldn't pale in comparison to the kind of things Hillary Clinton has been through? Seriously.....

Trump won't disrespect us like Obama has on the world stage. His list of "Apologies For America" would be 0...compared that to Obama:

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...d-a-superpower Originally Posted by Whirlaway

As usual, you...and The Heritage Foundation, are completely full of shit. Here's the text of your linked article.

Where do the words, "apology" or "America is sorry" appear? And, there is not one statement that your silly article wrongly characterizes as an apology that is not 100% obviously true.

>>>>>1. Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance")
Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[1]

So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

2. Apology to the Muslim World ("We Have Not Been Perfect")
President Obama, interview with Al Arabiya, January 27, 2009.[2]

My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that.

3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas ("At Times We Sought to Dictate Our Terms")
President Obama, address to the Summit of the Americas opening ceremony, Hyatt Regency, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, April 17, 2009.[3]

All of us must now renew the common stake that we have in one another. I know that promises of partnership have gone unfulfilled in the past, and that trust has to be earned over time. While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms. But I pledge to you that we seek an equal partnership. There is no senior partner and junior partner in our relations; there is simply engagement based on mutual respect and common interests and shared values. So I'm here to launch a new chapter of engagement that will be sustained throughout my administration.
The United States will be willing to acknowledge past errors where those errors have been made.

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders ("Some Restoration of America's Standing in the World")
News conference by President Obama, ExCel Center, London, United Kingdom, April 2, 2009.[4]

I would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that we've made, that you're starting to see some restoration of America's standing in the world. And although, as you know, I always mistrust polls, international polls seem to indicate that you're seeing people more hopeful about America's leadership.
I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions. Just to try to crystallize the example, there's been a lot of comparison here about Bretton Woods. "Oh, well, last time you saw the entire international architecture being remade." Well, if there's just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy, that's an easier negotiation. But that's not the world we live in, and it shouldn't be the world that we live in.

5. Apology for the War on Terror ("We Went off Course")
President Obama, speech at the National Archives, Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[5]

Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And during this season of fear, too many of us--Democrats and Republicans, politicians, journalists, and citizens--fell silent.
In other words, we went off course. And this is not my assessment alone. It was an assessment that was shared by the American people who nominated candidates for President from both major parties who, despite our many differences, called for a new approach--one that rejected torture and one that recognized the imperative of closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay.

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France ("Sacrificing Your Values")
Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[6]

Our two republics were founded in service of these ideals. In America, it is written into our founding documents as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." In France: "Liberté"--absolutely--"egalité, fraternité." Our moral authority is derived from the fact that generations of our citizens have fought and bled to uphold these values in our nations and others. And that's why we can never sacrifice them for expedience's sake. That's why I've ordered the closing of the detention center in Guantanamo Bay. That's why I can stand here today and say without equivocation or exception that the United States of America does not and will not torture.
In dealing with terrorism, we can't lose sight of our values and who we are. That's why I closed Guantanamo. That's why I made very clear that we will not engage in certain interrogation practices. I don't believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure.

7. Apology before the Turkish Parliament ("Our Own Darker Periods in Our History")
Speech by President Obama to the Turkish Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6, 2009.[7]

Every challenge that we face is more easily met if we tend to our own democratic foundation. This work is never over. That's why, in the United States, we recently ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed. That's why we prohibited--without exception or equivocation--the use of torture. All of us have to change. And sometimes change is hard.
Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.
Human endeavor is by its nature imperfect. History is often tragic, but unresolved, it can be a heavy weight. Each country must work through its past. And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future.

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas ("The United States Has Not Pursued and Sustained Engagement with Our Neighbors")
Opinion editorial by President Obama: "Choosing a Better Future in the Americas," April 16, 2009.[8]

Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas. My Administration is committed to the promise of a new day. We will renew and sustain a broader partnership between the United States and the hemisphere on behalf of our common prosperity and our common security.

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA ("Potentially We've Made Some Mistakes")
Remarks by the President to CIA employees, CIA Headquarters, Langley, Virginia, April 20, 2009.[9] The remarks followed the controversial decision to release Office of Legal Counsel memoranda detailing CIA enhanced interrogation techniques used against terrorist suspects.

So don't be discouraged by what's happened in the last few weeks. Don't be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we've made some mistakes. That's how we learn. But the fact that we are willing to acknowledge them and then move forward, that is precisely why I am proud to be President of the United States, and that's why you should be proud to be members of the CIA.

10. Apology for Guantanamo in Washington ("A Rallying Cry for Our Enemies")
President Obama, speech at the National Archives, Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[10]

There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America's strongest currency in the world. Instead of building a durable framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined the rule of law. In fact, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the law--a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected. Meanwhile, instead of serving as a tool to counter terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever detained.
So the record is clear: Rather than keeping us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security. It is a rallying cry for our enemies.<<<<<

Did you even read it before you posted it?

Ladd, nobody outside of semi-serious political junkies, no one even knows who Carly Fiorina is.....and you are deluding yourself if you think Fiorina scares Hillary Clinton. What the heck could Carly Fiorina do that wouldn't pale in comparison to the kind of things Hillary Clinton has been through? Seriously..... Originally Posted by timpage

Seriously? How many people knew who Barack Hussein Obama was in June 2007? I've known who Carly Fiorina is since she was on the cover of Fortune mag nearly 2 decades ago. And yes, she does scare the shit out of the Clintonites. They know having a smart capable articulate woman constantly reminding voters of Hillary's boxcars full of dirty baggage would make it much harder to sweep everything under the rug by playing the sexism card.

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Seriously? How many people knew who Barack Hussein Obama was in June 2007? I've known who Carly Fiorina is since she was on the cover of Fortune mag nearly 2 decades ago. And yes, she does scare the shit out of the Clintonites. They know having a smart capable articulate woman constantly reminding voters of Hillary's trainload full of dirty baggage would make it much harder to sweep everything under the rug by playing the sexism card. Originally Posted by lustylad

A hell of a lot more than who know who the heck Carly Fiorina is, I promise you.

And, guess what Ladd? Not too many people who are going to vote in next year's election read Fortune magazine....now and not 20 years ago.

I understand the narrative. Supposedly, Carly Fiorina can say things about Hillary that other republicans can't....would somebody please explain to me what those things might be? Seriously, tell me what has been off-limits and not said about Hillary Clinton?

I understand the narrative. Supposedly, Carly Fiorina can say things about Hillary that other republicans can't....would somebody please explain to me what those things might be? Seriously, tell me what has been off-limits and not said about Hillary Clinton? Originally Posted by timpage

Huh? We've been explaining "those things" to you every day in this forum, Tiny Tim. Just because you automatically dismiss and minimize everything doesn't mean the average voter will do the same once Hildabeast's unending litany of lies, scandals, misjudgements and lack of accomplishments is subjected to the full glare of publicity. Watch and learn. Hillary brings a cornucopia of vulnerabilities to the campaign. Her negatives are already sky-high. Given the opportunity, someone like Carly will make sure they are exploited to the fullest and properly understood by the electorate. And you libtards won't be able to deflect by whining about someone's condescending tone or supposed lack of respect for women.

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Huh? We've been explaining "those things" to you every day in this forum, Tiny Tim. Just because you automatically dismiss and minimize everything doesn't mean the average voter will do the same when Hildabeast's unending litany of lies, scandals, misjudgements and lack of accomplishments are subjected to the full glare of publicity. Watch and learn. Hillary brings a cornucopia of vulnerabilities to the campaign. Her negatives are already sky-high. Given the opportunity, someone like Carly will make sure they are exploited to the fullest. And the libtards won't be able to deflect by whining about someone's condescending tone or supposed lack of respect for women.

. Originally Posted by lustylad

How much you wanna bet Carly does not get the GOP nomination?

How much you wanna bet Carly does not get the GOP nomination? Originally Posted by WTF

How much you wanna bet your dick shrivels up as soon as she hits 10% in the GOP polls?

How much you wanna bet your dick shrivels up as soon as she hits 10% in the GOP polls? Originally Posted by lustylad

I'll bet you your entire fortune

How much you wanna bet your dick shrivels up as soon as she hits 10% in the GOP polls? Originally Posted by lustylad

Ok so Lustytard, shall we put you down for a Fiorina supporter come election time? Or is this another one of your retarded shuffles, where you pretend to know something you don't?

And, btw, Tim is right. The "scandals" that exist in the heads of repubtards are not even remotely controversial in the heads of the average voter.

You can bark about it 24/7 on Fox news, but outside bullshit mountain there is very little interest to be had in where HRC parked and what amount of tip she paid at chipotle.

The average voter is only considered dumb because it's people like you dragging down the average.