I don't recall Obama condemning BLM or Occupy

Really, you saw rape in OWS? Did you go there? I did, I saw no rape going on. Originally Posted by WTF
So cause YOU saw none, then none must have occured? Is that your angle?

THen i guess none of these news stories are factuall..

http://abcnews.go.com/us/sexual-assa...ry?id=14873014

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-more-victims/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-more-victims/

http://www.xojane.com/issues/occupy-wall-street-rape

That's just the TOP 4 links that come up when i do a bing search for "Rapes during occupy wall street"..

Other than your admiration for the KKK's neatness, what else do you admire about them? The way they tie a noose? Their white attire? Their hatred for Blacks, Jews, Muslims.....? Or do you just admire how neatly the leave a lynching? Originally Posted by WTF
I don't admire them one bit. BUT i defend their right to be as offensive as they wish..

Of course not. Now give me the names of any neo-Nazi or KKK members not supporting Trump, any single name will suffice. Originally Posted by andymarksman
How's about this one for starters..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...president.html
Well, there's the old fashioned Nazi sympathizer, George Soros, and hildebeest: the neo-Nazi. That's two names that didn't support Trump. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Nope! You have no proofs, Little Hans.
How's about this one for starters..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...president.html Originally Posted by garhkal
Your words, like his, ain't worth shit.


http://latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...206-story.html
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Nope! You have no proofs, Little Hans. Originally Posted by andymarksman
Soros self-admitted that he's a Nazi collaborator, Andy the Little Nazi Boy, and Goebbels would be green with envy at hildebeest's use of deceit and power to advance her agenda of state control over every aspect of the American citizen's life, Andy the Little Nazi Boy.
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How is leaving dead bodies on the ground neater? Originally Posted by BigLouie
you do know that I was referring to the modern KKK, not the old KKK (there were two versions of them) who were known for their violence and murder. this modern KKK is very different from the old KKK.

I'm in no way defending them, but they have the right to be stupidly racists.
you do know that I was referring to the modern KKK, not the old KKK (there were two versions of them) who were known for their violence and murder. this modern KKK is very different from the old KKK.

I'm in no way defending them, but they have the right to be stupidly racists. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

which one ... the white kkk or black kkk or the asian kkk
Soros self-admitted that he's a Nazi collaborator.... Originally Posted by I B Hankering
What is that supposed to mean? Do we need Johnny Clem to "self-admit" that he's a war hero, Little Hans?
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So IYO only nazi and kkk members support trump? Originally Posted by garhkal
No you have stupid people, retarded people, opioid people, and the uneducated as well as the others mentioned.
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No you have stupid people, retarded people, opioid people, and the uneducated as well as the others mentioned. Originally Posted by Trey
You mean the "deplorables"?
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Nope! You have no proofs, Little Hans. Originally Posted by andymarksman
Soros admitted that he sold out Jews to the Nazis during an interview.
identity politics and multiculturalism - the culprit

the dimocrat party - the actor

as it was and is needed, the dims create, nurture and use racial divisions among the electorate

as time went by, they honed their craft and expanded into new groups and divisions
multiculturalism - ok
black nationalist...ok
Mexican nationalist...ok
white nationalists...not so ok anymore cuz we somehow ran off all the other white people

as the anti-assimilation, racial politics, anti-American, anti-constitution, open borders policies grew and truth was the first casualty there became a smaller and smaller place at the dimocrat table for the average white person not to mention correct thinking minorities who were raised in belief of fairness and hard work or the immigrant who came here fleeing exactly what the dimocrats are offering

now its white people in general...you are racist, evil, at fault, the danger of whiteness, even dimocrat political aspirants, if white, will be met with gongs and whistles and shouts and will not be allowed to speak


the dimocrats have counted heads...and their historic compatriots didn't have the numbers and since race means all with us..well sorry

the neo Nazi's did a head swivel and asked, "et tu dimocrats?"

small wonder the dimocrat's once proud fringe group is enraged

hell hath no fury like a fringe group scorned

the left wing international socialists and the left wing national socialists will wind up shooting each other over control of us all
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lib...kup-1502456857

The Liberal Crackup

Liberals should reject the divisive, zero-sum politics of identity and find their way back to a unifying vision of the common good

By Mark Lilla

Aug. 11, 2017 9:07 a.m. ET

Donald Trump's surprise victory in last year's presidential election has finally energized my fellow liberals, who are networking, marching and showing up at town-hall meetings across the country. There is excited talk about winning back the White House in 2020 and maybe even the House of Representatives in the interim.

But we are way ahead of ourselves-dangerously so. For a start, the presidency just isn't what it used to be, certainly not for Democrats. In the last generation, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama won the office with comfortable margins, but they were repeatedly stymied by assertive Republicans in Congress, a right-leaning Supreme Court and-what should be the most worrisome development for Democrats-a steadily growing majority of state governments in Republican hands.

What's more, nothing those presidents did while in office did much to reverse the rightward drift of American public opinion. Even when they vote for Democrats or support some of their policies, most Americans-including young people, women and minorities-reject the term "liberal." And it isn't hard to see why. They see us as aloof, elitist, out of touch.

It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public. The question is, why? Why would those who claim to speak for and defend the great American demos be so indifferent to stirring its feelings and gaining its trust? Why, in the contest for the American imagination, have liberals simply abdicated?

Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us. Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise to build a strong nation and protect each other. The watchwords of that effort were solidarity, opportunity and public duty. Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government.

To meet the Reagan challenge, we liberals needed to develop an ambitious new vision of America and its future that would again inspire people of every walk of life and in every region of the country to come together as citizens. Instead we got tangled up in the divisive, zero-sum world of identity politics, losing a sense of what binds us together as a nation. What went missing in the Reagan years was the great liberal-democratic We. Little wonder that so few now wish to join us.

There is a mystery at the core of every suicide, and the story of how a once-successful liberal politics of solidarity became a failed liberal politics of "difference" is not a simple one. Perhaps the best place to begin it is with a slogan: The personal is the political.

This phrase was coined by feminists in the 1960s and captured perfectly the mind-set of the New Left at the time. Originally, it was interpreted to mean that everything that seems strictly private-sexuality, the family, the workplace-is in fact political and that there are no spheres of life exempt from the struggle for power. That is what made it so radical, electrifying sympathizers and disturbing everyone else.

But the phrase could also be taken in a more romantic sense: that what we think of as political action is in fact nothing but personal activity, an expression of me and how I define myself. As we would put it today, my political life is a reflection of my identity.

Over time, the romantic view won out over the radical one, and the idea got rooted on the left that, to reverse the formula, the political is the personal. Liberals and progressives continued to fight for social justice out in the world. But now they also wanted there to be no space between what they felt inside and what they did in that world. They wanted their political engagements to mirror how they understood and defined themselves as individuals. And they wanted their self-definition to be recognized.

This was an innovation on the left. Socialism had no time for individual recognition. Rushing toward the revolution, it divided the world into exploiting capitalists and exploited workers of every background. New Deal liberals were just as indifferent to individual identity; they thought and spoke in terms of equal rights and equal social protections for all. Even the early movements of the 1950s and '60s to secure the rights of African-Americans, women and gays appealed to our shared humanity and citizenship, not our differences. They drew people together rather than setting them against each other.

All that began to change when the New Left shattered in the 1970s, in no small part due to identity issues. Blacks complained that white movement leaders were racist, feminists complained that they were sexist, and lesbians complained that straight feminists were homophobic. The main enemies were no longer capitalism and the military-industrial complex; they were fellow movement members who were not, as we would say today, sufficiently "woke."

It was then that less radical liberal and progressive activists also began redirecting their energies away from party politics and toward a wide range of single-issue social movements. The forces at work in healthy party politics are centripetal; they encourage factions and interests to come together to work out common goals and strategies. They oblige everyone to think, or at least to speak, about the common good.

In movement politics, the forces are all centrifugal, encouraging splits into smaller and smaller factions obsessed with single issues and practicing rituals of ideological one-upmanship. Symbols take on outsize significance, especially in identity-based movements.

The results of this shift are now plain to see. The classic Democratic project of bringing people from different backgrounds together for a single common project has given way to a pseudo-politics of self-regard and increasingly narrow and exclusionary self-definition. And what keeps this approach to politics alive is that it is cultivated in the colleges and universities where liberal elites are formed. Here again, we must look to the history of the New Left to understand how this happened.

After Reagan's election in 1980, conservative activists hit the road to spread the new individualist gospel of small government and free markets and poured their energies into winning out-of-the-way county, state and congressional elections. Also on the road, though taking a different exit on the interstate, were former New Left activists heading for college towns all over America.

Conservatives concentrated on attracting working people once attached to the Democratic Party-a populist, bottom-up strategy. The left concentrated on transforming the outlook of professional and party elites-a top-down strategy. Both groups were successful, and both left their mark on the country.

Up until the 1960s, those active in the Democratic Party were largely drawn from the working class or farm communities and were formed in local political clubs or on union-dominated shop floors. That world is gone. Today they are formed primarily in our colleges and universities, as are members of the overwhelmingly liberal-dominated professions of law, journalism and education.

Liberal political education, such as it is, now takes place on campuses that are far removed, socially and geographically, from the rest of the country-and particularly from the sorts of people who once were the foundation of the Democratic Party. And the political catechism that is taught is a historical artifact, reflecting more the idiosyncratic experience of the '60s generation than the realities of power politics today.

The experience of that era taught the New Left two lessons. The first was that movement politics was the only mode of engagement that actually changes things; the second was that political activity must have some authentic meaning for the self, making compromise seem like a self-betrayal.

These lessons, though, have little bearing on liberalism's present crisis, which is that of being defeated time and again by a well-organized Republican Party that keeps tightening its grip on our institutions. Where those lessons do resonate is with young people in our highly individualistic bourgeois society-a society that keeps them focused on themselves and teaches them that personal choice, individual rights and self-definition are all that is sacred.

It is little wonder that students of the Facebook age are drawn to courses focused on their identities and movements related to them. Nor is it surprising that many join campus groups that engage in identity movement work. But the costs need to be tallied.

For those students who will soon become liberal and progressive elites, the line between self-discovery and political action has become blurred. Their political commitments are genuine but are circumscribed by the confines of their self-definitions. Issues that penetrate those confines take on looming importance, and since politics for them is personal, their positions tend to be absolutist and nonnegotiable. Those issues that don't touch on their identities or affect people like themselves are hardly perceived. And classic liberal ideas like citizenship, solidarity and the common good have little meaning for them.

As a teacher, I am increasingly struck by a difference between my conservative and progressive students. Contrary to the stereotype, the conservatives are far more likely to connect their engagements to a set of political ideas and principles. Young people on the left are much more inclined to say that they are engaged in politics as an X, concerned about other Xs and those issues touching on X-ness. And they are less and less comfortable with debate.

Over the past decade a new, and very revealing, locution has drifted from our universities into the media mainstream: Speaking as an X...This is not an anodyne phrase. It sets up a wall against any questions that come from a non-X perspective. Classroom conversations that once might have begun, I think A, and here is my argument, now take the form, Speaking as an X, I am offended that you claim B. What replaces argument, then, are taboos against unfamiliar ideas and contrary opinions.

Conservatives complain loudest about today's campus follies, but it is really liberals who should be angry. The big story is not that leftist professors successfully turn millions of young people into dangerous political radicals every year. It is that they have gotten students so obsessed with their personal identities that, by the time they graduate, they have much less interest in, and even less engagement with, the wider political world outside their heads.

There is a great irony in this. The supposedly bland, conventional universities of the 1950s and early '60s incubated the most radical generation of American citizens perhaps since our founding. Young people were incensed by the denial of voting rights out there, the Vietnam War out there, nuclear proliferation out there, capitalism out there, colonialism out there. Yet once that generation took power in the universities, it proceeded to depoliticize the liberal elite, rendering its members unprepared to think about the common good and what must be done practically to secure it-especially the hard and unglamorous task of persuading people very different from themselves to join a common effort.

Every advance of liberal identity consciousness has marked a retreat of liberal political consciousness. There can be no liberal politics without a sense of We-of what we are as citizens and what we owe each other. If liberals hope ever to recapture America's imagination and become a dominant force across the country, it will not be enough to beat the Republicans at flattering the vanity of the mythical Joe Sixpack. They must offer a vision of our common destiny based on one thing that all Americans, of every background, share.

And that is citizenship. We must relearn how to speak to citizens as citizens and to frame our appeals for solidarity-including ones to benefit particular groups-in terms of principles that everyone can affirm.

Black Lives Matter is a textbook example of how not to build solidarity. By publicizing and protesting police mistreatment of African-Americans, the movement delivered a wake-up call to every American with a conscience. But its decision to use this mistreatment to build a general indictment of American society and demand a confession of white sins and public penitence only played into the hands of the Republican right.

I am not a black male motorist and will never know what it is like to be one. If I am going to be affected by his experience, I need some way to identify with him, and citizenship is the only thing I know that we share. The more the differences between us are emphasized, the less likely I will be to feel outrage at his mistreatment.

The politics of identity has done nothing but strengthen the grip of the American right on our institutions. It is the gift that keeps on taking. Now is the time for liberals to do an immediate about-face and return to articulating their core principles of solidarity and equal protection for all. Never has the country needed it more.

Dr. Lilla is professor of the humanities at Columbia University. This essay is adapted from his new book, "The Once and Future Liberal: After Identity Politics," which will be published on Aug. 15 by Harper (which, like The Wall Street Journal, is owned by News Corp).
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How relevant is this article, dildo?

Not.
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What is that supposed to mean? Do we need Johnny Clem to "self-admit" that he's a war hero, Little Hans? Originally Posted by andymarksman
I means that you were wrong, Andy the Little Nazi Boy.


No you have stupid people, retarded people, opioid people, and the uneducated as well as the others mentioned. Originally Posted by Trey
Add in "deportable" then it sounds like hildebeest and Odumbo supporters.



Soros admitted that he sold out Jews to the Nazis during an interview. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn
He did indeed admit that he was a collaborator.
Your words, like his, ain't worth shit.


http://latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...206-story.html Originally Posted by andymarksman
So the LEADER of the KKK showing his support to hillary is no proof, but a Pro-trump rally by some KKK members is 'all the proof needed'??

No you have stupid people, retarded people, opioid people, and the uneducated as well as the others mentioned. Originally Posted by Trey
And so, what were all those anti-trump CLINTON supporters who did all the riots, assaults etc? the Pride of america?