The US Missile Defense System Is Only 50% Accurate Against North Korea

It's not a Theory. The idea of Russia and China intervening is a theory.
Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

History says it's NOT A THEORY! They "intervened" in S.E. Asia and in the Korean Peninsula. And based on their "recidivism" in the region it is FOOLISH to plan a strategy that does not include their INTERVENTION for which they have already started adjusting internally under the pretense of preventing "refugees" ....

... see the Ukraine!

Your personal "belief" that NK won't pull the trigger is foolish.

NK has already drawn its weapon and fired shots!

Your wishful thinking reminds me of John Kerry on the evening of 911 with Larry King when talking honestly (for the first time of which I am aware .. and apparently the last) about having KNOWN 911 COULD HAPPEN!!!! BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!! And in anticipation of a bullshit response:

KING: Senator Kerry did your -- did you committee on international opertions and terrorism ever actually fear something like this?

SEN. JOHN KERRY (R), MASSACHUSETTS: Absolutely. Absolutely.
....
We have always known this could happen. We've warned about it. We've talked about it. I regret to say, as -- I served on the Intelligence Committee up until last year. I can remember after the bombings of the embassies, after TWA 800, we went through this flurry of activity, talking about it, but not really doing hard work of responding.

That Lying POS is who Obaminable tasked with dealing with the Iranians .... and the North Koreans!!!!! Did NOTHING again!!!! "Talked" ... that's all!!!

And of course there is always Madeleine Albright's assessment from her personal visit to his alleged "father"!....2000! Another Pre-Election photo-op!

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NS...0Il%20Jong.pdf

She was Obaminable's "go-to" consultant.

I've noticed.

And, I think dilbert needs to go back to his cube for posting a post, in the posting forum, that has absolutely nothing posted within the post, except for a copy of a prior post, from the posting forum. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

what cube would you be speaking of?????

I only fixed what he failed to do, its to put up a eccie style video link.

not my problem if you have a problem with it.

I saw something about "lasting two days" ....
... "two days" is a lifetime in today's environment.
The pre-emptive strike against NK will have to literally paralyze the military/communication/command instantly and eliminate the capacity for NK to launch any kind of a retaliation strike ... to be effective ... and avoid any "Allied" damage. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Very minor disagreement about the use of the concept of preemptive.
But one "mis-fired" or defective NK missle could easily be an justifiable cause.
That said, a couple loads of cruise missiles, would settle all that in less than a couple hours, probably less than an hour. Submersibles that accompany each task force group contain a couple handfuls each. And there's more than a handful Arleigh Burke class GMD's in the area also, which each carry a few handfuls. Theoretically (ha, actually could), surface ships could launch while still at dock in Japan, and then the techs could walk to the NCO's exchange on the base to pay each other off for who got the best videos of things going boom.

Most folks simply have no idea what the military techs can actually do. Getting back to Gulf War, this was exactly why Central Command ran it's big bang show every night for the newsies.
Yup, we can do that. No prob. Just give us an excuse.

Very minor disagreement about the use of the concept of preemptive. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Given the continued "state of war" on the Korean peninsula with only what amounts to a "cease fire" truce between the NK side and the U.N. SIDE ..... much like the "cease fire" truce signed in Iran at the end of Bush I's administration ....

... it would not be "preemptive" in the since of preventing a
"war," but would be a legitimate RESPONSE to bellicose actions threatening the region by the thug in NK by way of "RESUMING" the "police action" to control the NK side.

After all ... that's why we are there ... just like in Germany!

FYI: I wasn't suggesting our side would preemptively launch nuclear weapons on an initial strike or that such would be required .... #1 I have good reason to believe an intended launch might fall back onto the launch vehicle/location .... #2: conventional weapons would reduce civilian collateral damages from post strike debris and fallout. A lot of that shit needs to be "recycled" anyway.

Our fly-bys have been probing and identifying gps locations for programming and dispersing weapons to reduce if not eliminate the consequences to SK or Japan.

History says it's NOT A THEORY! They "intervened" in S.E. Asia and in the Korean Peninsula. And based on their "recidivism" in the region it is FOOLISH to plan a strategy that does not include their INTERVENTION for which they have already started adjusting internally under the pretense of preventing "refugees" ....

... see the Ukraine!

Your personal "belief" that NK won't pull the trigger is foolish.

NK has already drawn its weapon and fired shots!

Your wishful thinking reminds me of John Kerry on the evening of 911 with Larry King when talking honestly (for the first time of which I am aware .. and apparently the last) about having KNOWN 911 COULD HAPPEN!!!! BUT NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!! And in anticipation of a bullshit response:



That Lying POS is who Obaminable tasked with dealing with the Iranians .... and the North Koreans!!!!! Did NOTHING again!!!! "Talked" ... that's all!!!

And of course there is always Madeleine Albright's assessment from her personal visit to his alleged "father"!....2000! Another Pre-Election photo-op!

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NS...0Il%20Jong.pdf

She was Obaminable's "go-to" consultant. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Ok, so lets say Russia gets involved. What exactly would be their role and what would that mean to the United States? Oh by the way, I am not saying NK won't pull the trigger. What I am saying is it wouldn't be a beneficial move for the future of their country.

Jim

Ok, so lets say Russia gets involved. What exactly would be their role and what would that mean to the United States? ... Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

The port of Rajin-Sonbong, just a stones throw south of the Russian Border. Used by Russia from the end of WW2 up to just over a decade ago, when the NKs invited China to use the port.

A true balance of power between three economic powers requires at least two to be hacked at each other.
Be nice for the US to be entertained for a bit.

Ok, so lets say Russia gets involved. What exactly would be their role and what would that mean to the United States? Oh by the way, I am not saying NK won't pull the trigger. What I am saying is it wouldn't be a beneficial move for the future of their country.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You and I both know that NK is not going to attack the United States.

I'm reminded of this when I read our resident chicken hawks calling for preemptive war.

Hermann Goering's Quote
On War And The People
3-20-2
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The port of Rajin-Sonbong, just a stones throw south of the Russian Border. Used by Russia from the end of WW2 up to just over a decade ago, when the NKs invited China to use the port.

A true balance of power between three economic powers requires at least two to be hacked at each other.
Be nice for the US to be entertained for a bit. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

How is that port going to be defended in the case of conflict between us and N. Korea?


Jim

How is that port going to be defended in the case of conflict between us and N. Korea? Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Who cares. It could go to the Bears as a game win token to hack off the Pandas.

Who cares. It could go to the Bears as a game win token to hack off the Pandas. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

So then what's the significance of a Russian alliance with N. Korea if a Military conflict ensues with the United States?

Jim

So then what's the significance of a Russian alliance with N. Korea if a Military conflict ensues with the United States?

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

There will be no war...everyone is using NK for home front points.

Trump talks shit....he looks good to our chickenhawks/base.

Kim talks tough and looks good to NK.

China plays the middle to get wtf ever they want.

SK is the one in a pickle....

We are slowly losing our power over there. The less we trade , the less power we will have. So Trump does not even understand that basic principle. He fucking wanted SK to pay for the Defense system!




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So then what's the significance of a Russian alliance with N. Korea if a Military conflict ensues with the United States? Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Didn't say an alliance with the Bears. What I said was the port could be a war prize.

There will be no war...everyone is using NK for home front points. Originally Posted by WTF

Exactly.
Unless the fat man does something stupid.
Which is what 7th Fleet is tasked to watch for.

We are slowly losing our power over there. The less we trade , the less power we will have. So Trump does not even understand that basic principle. He fucking wanted SK to pay for the Defense system! Originally Posted by WTF

Exactly.
All the big boys clearly understand that the long game is economics. China's positioning for economic rights in the "extended" South Sea is a clear example. The US, da Bears, and the Canuks are playing that game to a lesser extent in the Arctic, but territorial is already defined there. The Fat man, and his dad, has destroyed the economic structure in NK and now he's being a pouting azzhole about that.

So then what's the significance of a Russian alliance with N. Korea if a Military conflict ensues with the United States? Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Umm no. Russia would just push it's border south a bit. Nobody said anything about an alliance.

Exactly.
Unless the fat man does something stupid.


. Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Which fat man? Trump or Kim?

The problem is Trump's fucking ego.

Only way Kim does something stupid is if they try n cut off his energy supply. Kinda like Roosevelt did to Japan. That could be a problem. Trump actually should love NK, they burn COAL!

There will be no war...everyone is using NK for home front points.

Trump talks shit....he looks good to our chickenhawks/base.

Kim talks tough and looks good to NK.

China plays the middle to get wtf ever they want.

SK is the one in a pickle....

We are slowly losing our power over there. The less we trade , the less power we will have. So Trump does not even understand that basic principle. He fucking wanted SK to pay for the Defense system!




. Originally Posted by WTF

Of course there won't be a war. N. Korea has nothing to gain and neither do we.


Jim