Feeling the Pinch

That's what I'm saying-- that 30% or more in taxes is a brutal necessity if you do this as your primary income source. The IRS and their audits are NO JOKE. I am not scared of the FBI, the CIA, LE, or SWAT-- but the IRS-- yeah, I have nightmares about those fucks.

Yes, there are wonderful times when a provider is just rolling in the clover. And then there are times when a lady struggles to book 1 or 2 appointments in a week, even with offering special deals to her regulars. It is just the nature of ANY self employed person out there. Providers are a luxury-- and as a result, when the economy is off-- we feel the pinch. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

It seems at Christmas girls will fight for an appointment and return to school seems to hit hard.

Please delete

While not with the frequency or passion of NBA or BBFS threads, guys complaining about rates just make them look foolish (play as often and with whom your budget allows - pretty simple). However, that’s nothing compared to johns laying out the budget for a girl and according to these guys all girls should be retiring multimillionaires after only 5 years in the business.

Wiley - ever spent a day with a provider and see what their lives are really like? The amount of preparation (not just a shower and makeup) has a hit ratio probably similar to a used car salesman. The tire kickers - the guys that PM or email 50 times before they’re interested in meeting. The reference checks of sending 4 out and maybe, hopefully, getting one reply from a girl you hope you can trust. Finding a location where you can have 3 or more strangers come (no pun intended) in and leave everyday without Mrs Kravitz thinking she has to tell someone something is going on. No shows, fresh sheets, men that smell or are repulsive, men that want to force activities the girl is not comfortable with, etc.

All this is why there’s such a high turnover in the welcome wagon. Remember one girl from years ago that I’m still friends with that did this to help support her special needs child (high medical bills and schedule flexibility were important) only to be made to feel like the scum of the earth by the predators in the welcome crew here and seriously considered suicide so the state could provide better care for her child because she couldn’t do this.

What about STD testing, maintenance on hair and such, the list goes on.

Whoever thinks this is an easy job should try selling something we were brought up to think was special and precious only to have a guy tell her that prize is only worth $75 for a half hour because he needs to buy a present for his wife.

It’s a tough world here guys, if you can’t afford the price of admission seek another playground. Originally Posted by TheEccie214

Well said. Yes, you came up with something realistic. Whining fools coming across as the cheap bastards buying a commodity. We are paying women to share their body with us. So many risks and costs.
These guys are really going to change the sex worker's minds. Hahaha.

I love it when men come on here trying to calculate hooker income.

You are assuming they work 8hrs a day. And they have a steady stream on clients. Look I was a Tech Consultant for 3 yrs. I was charging $300 hr. Zero to no overheard. Clients paid hotel and transportation, work out of their offices. It was great, problem is with all the competition out there it was hard to get a gig. Sometimes I would get a 3 month contract then go 2 months without one ... And so forth ... It is hard to make a living, and if so.some would have told me to lower my rates well that that the end of the relationship. This ladies are selling services, don't get confused. They are providers. They.provide services .. Next time you.have a plumber over.tell him you feel he is overpaid and you.feeling the pinch ... Let me know how that works out ... Originally Posted by downtownfellow

maybe that is why you only did for 3 years, I am not sure what kind tech consultant you were but my IT guy is at $180 hr. and he has his own co with employees. I don't pay shit beyond his rate. He does awesome job and he has contracts with fortune 500 co's. AND this fucking guy is richer than I am. He usually drives beat-up Land Cruiser that was given to him by his parent. One day he drove Porche 911 because his Land Cruiser was in the shop. I was like WTF ? then I looked up price of his car and I was like I paid for that $150k car. and guy lives in the house that is over million and his office is in prime location in the city that cost double my office rent per sq ft.

I love it when men come on here trying to calculate hooker income. Originally Posted by Adrienne Baptiste

i don't think we want to calculate your income. Because as soon as we find out your income, it will ruin our hobby...lol

It's a fun intellectual exercise, but the variables that affect income are way too numerous and vary greatly among providers. When you get tired of playing the guess-her-income game, try reversing it: Figure expenses and try to figure what it takes to break even. The more she tells you about her personal life -- where she lives, how many kids she has, what kind of car she drives, where and how often she vacations, where she shops, how much the pimp gets -- the closer you get to a reliable number.

No matter what method you use and what numbers you come up with, you'll be wrong (or so you'll be told here), so it's best to either keep it to your self or muse in the sieve known as the ML.

It's a fun intellectual exercise, but the variables that affect income are way too numerous and vary greatly among providers. When you get tired of playing the guess-her-income game, try reversing it: Figure expenses and try to figure what it takes to break even. The more she tells you about her personal life -- where she lives, how many kids she has, what kind of car she drives, where and how often she vacations, where she shops, how much the pimp gets -- the closer you get to a reliable number.

No matter what method you use and what numbers you come up with, you'll be wrong (or so you'll be told here), so it's best to either keep it to your self or muse in the sieve known as the ML. Originally Posted by Sir Lancehernot

+1.

Guess What? We are all pretty much:

I've noticed that the price of admission has gone up substantially in the last year....and it has. I've heard every justification for it. I don't treat the ladies like a meat morsel even though I know I'm just John. I'm not buying a new set of tires or whatever. I always give the ladies full respect. What I tried to point out and what was missed in my original post is that a mob mentality regarding price increases seems to be the norm, even from the guys. I've also noticed that the ladies I see regularly prize my visits because I'm money in the bank, regular and reliable, and that is a luxury from a business standpoint. If a lady has just 5 of those guys she has some stretch and padding from which she can launch some creativity. These ladies have developed very good business models with incentivized pricing and have a thorough understanding of threshold cashflow on a longer term basis, meaning they know what their costs are and know where they are profit-wise on any given day of the month. They know they have to have X number of visits from X number of clients, so if a good percentage of those visits is yielded from regular clients they are ahead of the bean counters. How do they get those regulars? Price and service= Value.

Hookers are truly dumb if they thought I meant one appointment pays for the whole month expenses, I meant one appointment more than pays daily expenses including your $150 monthly cable/internet bill. When did hookers stop sharing multiple incalls? I know a few that do this

If your not turning 3-4 tricks a day. Why even have a incall unless it's your primary residence, lets pretend you get 15 $250 appointments in a 7 day stretch, that's 15k in 28 days for 60hrs of actual work and this is at a 250hr rate.

Hooker math isn't that hard to figure out, if you're not this busy, you might be over the hill? Or just like to bum it all day keeping up with the board drama, Those new young providers and doing at least double my figures at a higher rate, not hating on you women but don't BS us like if we're all stupid tricks

While not with the frequency or passion of NBA or BBFS threads, guys complaining about rates just make them look foolish (play as often and with whom your budget allows - pretty simple). However, that’s nothing compared to johns laying out the budget for a girl and according to these guys all girls should be retiring multimillionaires after only 5 years in the business.

Wiley - ever spent a day with a provider and see what their lives are really like? The amount of preparation (not just a shower and makeup) has a hit ratio probably similar to a used car salesman. The tire kickers - the guys that PM or email 50 times before they’re interested in meeting. The reference checks of sending 4 out and maybe, hopefully, getting one reply from a girl you hope you can trust. Finding a location where you can have 3 or more strangers come (no pun intended) in and leave everyday without Mrs Kravitz thinking she has to tell someone something is going on. No shows, fresh sheets, men that smell or are repulsive, men that want to force activities the girl is not comfortable with, etc.

All this is why there’s such a high turnover in the welcome wagon. Remember one girl from years ago that I’m still friends with that did this to help support her special needs child (high medical bills and schedule flexibility were important) only to be made to feel like the scum of the earth by the predators in the welcome crew here and seriously considered suicide so the state could provide better care for her child because she couldn’t do this.

What about STD testing, maintenance on hair and such, the list goes on.

Whoever thinks this is an easy job should try selling something we were brought up to think was special and precious only to have a guy tell her that prize is only worth $75 for a half hour because he needs to buy a present for his wife.

It’s a tough world here guys, if you can’t afford the price of admission seek another playground. Originally Posted by TheEccie214

Well said. Yes, you came up with something realistic. Whining fools coming across as the cheap bastards buying a commodity. We are paying women to share their body with us. So many risks and costs.
These guys are really going to change the sex worker's minds. Hahaha. Originally Posted by micktoz

Why are you guys directing this at me? I did not start this thread and I am not feeling a pinch and if I wish to see a particular provider, I will pay her advertised donation.

While models vary, I merely pointed out an example of how much a provider makes charging $250/hour. And even though a few providers say a john has no clue when it comes to provider math, the numbers do not lie. Unforeseen expenses aside, those providers that say I am off, instead of just saying that guys have no clue what your monetary expenses are, please show all of us that you have to raise your rates because you cannot even subsist on charging a lower rate.

The only thing charging 200/hr vs 250/hr is going to do is change the TYPE of clients that come to see you. Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

I disagree. Maybe you will get guys that normally would not contact you if you charged a higher rate, but the type of guy that sees you for a session is the one that passes your screening, regardless of the rate you charge.

GUYS Threads like this are a NO-WIN , Providers will do as they will , and guys will always pay Just my 02.

When you start sucking dick for money then you can disagree with me okay? Lol

Unforeseen expenses aside, those providers that say I am off, instead of just saying that guys have no clue what your monetary expenses are, please show all of us that you have to raise your rates because you cannot even subsist on charging a lower rate.
Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

So we should merely "subsist" for your benefit? I can tell you right now that no lady gets into this with the intention of barely squeaking by. This is a job where we risk our safety, risk our criminal records, risk our freedom, and merely by participating we lose friends, family, and the ability to just have normal relationships sometimes.

I am primarily a touring provider now-- so my breakdown is a little different than some-- but here are just my expenses to make a 3 week tour-- this does NOT include my monthly household expenses just to keep my personal rent/bills paid:

Hotels-- $1900 This is pretty much "at minimum" using Dallas hotels as the example. The cost goes up exponentially if I am in the Northeast. This is for a decent 3.5-4 star hotel in a good part of town, which in my opinion is critical if a woman wishes to charge above $200/hr.

Travel-- $500. This assumes I'm able to get good airfare deals on Priceline and that it is not a peak travel season.

Meals-- $30 per day-- so $630 for a 3 week tour. This is also a pretty minimum number and can go up depending on where I am in the world.

Transportation-- I can either rent a car or I can Uber everywhere-- either way, its going to be somewhere in the 600-700 range for 3 weeks.

Advertising-- EROS is not cheap but it is the gold standard for many parts of the country. P411 also charges us for visiting ads and feature ads. I'm also on a few forums that charge a membership fee, plus most provider verification sites charge a monthly or quarterly fee. To be conservative, I'll set this number at $400 for a 3 week tour.. but there are times that this number has exceeded $1000.

Maintenance-- Hair, skin, nails, gym-- it all adds up. In a minimal expense month-- this figure is still around $250.

So--

Hotels-- $1900
Travel-- $500
Meals-- $630
Uber/Rental-- $600
Advertising-- $400
Maintenance-- $250

So that adds up to $4280 a month. That is what I have to make JUST to break even. That doesn't include paying my personal rent, car payments, groceries, bills... none of it. Assuming a 21 day tour... that is a break even point of $203 per day.

i don't think we want to calculate your income. Because as soon as we find out your income, it will ruin our hobby...lol Originally Posted by eng

Does knowing how much your doctor makes ruin your medical exam?

when you come walk in our shoes for a day week or a month
then come here and bitch about rates ....
if you could get paid to get fuck you be wow this is a lot of work to do
get hotel , look good , marketing , screening. answer bunch of PM's that don't read your showcase . answer text or emails , in between appt's
all the cleaning up after you all who don't wash your ass , and more

! it's like any other business ,yes we can make good money but it takes money to make money !

*My Hotel for 2016 for a 6day tour once a Month can be 10k a year
yes I chose to stay in a nice place for myself and guest

There Is A Reason You Pay To Get Fuck, Not all men but a lot !