What a bunch of PUSSIES!

Well, nobody was charged with “insurrection”. So there’s that. Originally Posted by bambino
And they are still going to jail, regardless of what they were charged with.

Of course you still believe these weren’t Trump supporters that attacked the Capitol and the police securing the building.
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And they are still going to jail, regardless of what they were charged with.

Of course you still believe these weren’t Trump supporters that attacked the Capitol and the police securing the building. Originally Posted by NoirMan
Of course you don’t believe there were Antifa members like John Sullivan who filmed his trespassing with a CNN reporter. I guess they just happened to be there.
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Definition of Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

The protesters at this political rally came armed with chemical weapons in the form of pepper sprays and bear sprays. Some were armed with electrical weapons like tasers and some were armed with fire-arms. Just because no one shot their fire-arms didn't mean there weren't any present.

The stormed the capitol building, the seat of our legislative body, breaking their way in and attempting to keep the legislature from completing the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next.

I would call that an insurrection. The idea that this was some kind of out of control peaceful lovefest is simply ludicrous.

All politicians lie to a certain extent. But only one of them was too much of a coward to admit that he lost, and then proceeded to attempt to keep himself in power by means of bullying, lying, and conspiring with others to do the same. If the republicans in the Senate had done their job and convicted Trump during his impeachment trial we might not be debating this issue anymore. I don't like Mike Pence very much but he would have made a much better president than Donald Trump could ever be. Originally Posted by txdot-guy
I never called it a "peaceful lovefest". Nice straw man, though.

As usual, the WSJ knows how to keep this shit in perspective. Here ya go...


Democracy Isn’t Dying

Jan. 6 was a riot, not an insurrection, and U.S. institutions held.


By The Editorial Board
Jan. 5, 2022 6:46 pm ET

The Capitol riot of Jan. 6, 2021, was a national disgrace, but almost more dispiriting is the way America’s two warring political tribes have responded. Democrats led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi seem intent on exploiting that day to retain power, while the Donald Trump wing of the GOP insists it was merely a protest march that got a little carried away.

We say this as a statement of political reality, not as a counsel of despair. Our job is to face the world as it is and try to move it in a better direction. So a year later, what have we learned?

One lesson is that on all the available evidence Jan. 6 was not an “insurrection,” in any meaningful sense of that word. It was not an attempted coup. The Justice Department and the House Select Committee have looked high and low for a conspiracy to overthrow the government, and maybe they will find it. So far they haven’t.

There apparently was a “war room” of motley characters at the Willard hotel and small groups of plotters who wanted to storm the barricades. But they were too disorganized to do much more than incite what became the mob that breached the Capitol.

The Justice Department says some 725 people from nearly all 50 states have been charged in the riot, linked mainly by social media and support for Donald Trump. About 70 defendants have had their cases adjudicated to date, and 31 of those will do time in prison. The rioters aren’t getting off easy.

They also didn’t come close to overturning the election. The Members fled the House chamber during the riot but soon returned to certify the electoral votes. Eight Senators and 139 House Republicans voted against certifying the electoral votes in some states, but that wasn’t close to a majority.

The true man at the margin was Mike Pence. Presiding in the Senate as Vice President, he recognized his constitutional duty as largely ceremonial in certifying the vote count. He stood up to Mr. Trump’s threats for the good of the country and perhaps at the cost of his political future.

In other words, America’s democratic institutions held up under pressure. They also held in the states in which GOP officials and legislators certified electoral votes despite Mr. Trump’s complaints. And they held in the courts as judges rejected claims of election theft that lacked enough evidence. Democrats grudgingly admit these facts but say it was a close run thing. It wasn’t. It was a near-unanimous decision against Mr. Trump’s electoral claims.

None of this absolves Mr. Trump for his behavior. He isn’t the first candidate to question an election result; Hillary Clinton still thinks Vladimir Putin defeated her in 2016. But he was wrong to give his supporters false hope that Congress and Mr. Pence could overturn the electoral vote. He did not directly incite violence, but he did incite them to march on the Capitol.

Worse, he failed to act to stop the riot even as he watched on TV from the White House. He failed to act despite the pleading of family and allies. This was a monumental failure of character and duty. Republicans have gone mute on this dereliction as they try to stay united for the midterms. But they will face a reckoning on this with voters if Mr. Trump runs in 2024.

As for the Pelosi Democrats, the question is when will they ever let Jan. 6 go? The latest news is that the Speaker’s Select Committee may hold prime-time hearings this year, and the leaks are that they may even seek an indictment of Mr. Trump for obstructing Congress.

Really? Their constitutional power runs to impeachment, and they’ve already impeached Mr. Trump twice. As our friends at the New York Sun note, such a prosecutorial inquiry runs close to what the Constitution bars as a “bill of attainder” against a single individual. As a way of harming Mr. Trump’s future prospects, we suspect it would work about as well as both impeachments did.

We have an open mind about the Jan. 6 Select Committee, not least because an honest inquiry that laid out the facts could be helpful. But at this point it’s also hard not to see that playing up Jan. 6 has become the main Democratic election strategy for November.

One clue came recently from Marc Elias, the Democratic election lawyer and House insider. He tweeted on Dec. 20: “My prediction for 2022: Before the midterm election, we will have a serious discussion about whether individual Republican House Members are disqualified by Section 3 of the 14th Amendment from serving in Congress. We may even see litigation.” Mr. Elias would rip at democracy in the name of defending it.

None of this leaves much cause for optimism—but then we survived Jan. 6, as well as more than a few bad Presidents. Keep your eye on the Constitution’s enduring principles and institutions, and who sustains or tears them down. That’s where self-government will live or die.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democra...on-11641421265
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Definition of Insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

The protesters at this political rally came armed with chemical weapons in the form of pepper sprays and bear sprays. Some were armed with electrical weapons like tasers and some were armed with fire-arms. Just because no one shot their fire-arms didn't mean there weren't any present.

The stormed the capitol building, the seat of our legislative body, breaking their way in and attempting to keep the legislature from completing the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next.

I would call that an insurrection. The idea that this was some kind of out of control peaceful lovefest is simply ludicrous.

All politicians lie to a certain extent. But only one of them was too much of a coward to admit that he lost, and then proceeded to attempt to keep himself in power by means of bullying, lying, and conspiring with others to do the same. If the republicans in the Senate had done their job and convicted Trump during his impeachment trial we might not be debating this issue anymore. I don't like Mike Pence very much but he would have made a much better president than Donald Trump could ever be. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

the BLM rioters came with all the items you claim make an insurrection and worse. like this ..







did this happen on Jan 6th?

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The level of indifference to the effects of January 6th in this forum is simply staggering. The problem isn't that Democrats are making too much of January 6th. It's that Republicans are making too little of it. Instead of tackling the problem head on they are systematically down playing the actual damage that was done on that day. They are doing so by lying about whether firearms were involved, and comparing it to other riots that happened earlier in the year, and asking the American people "why can't you just get over it."

Well we don't want to get over it. And we're tired of the conservative media telling us that we're over reacting. The result of Donald Trump's Big Lie, and the January 6th insurrection, appears to be more attempts to find fraud where there was very little to be found. More restrictive voting laws making it harder for people to vote and even more gerrymandering to keep a minority party in power.

This isn't the way our democracy is supposed to work.
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The level of indifference to the effects of January 6th in this forum is simply staggering. The problem isn't that Democrats are making too much of January 6th. It's that Republicans are making too little of it. Instead of tackling the problem head on they are systematically down playing the actual damage that was done on that day. They are doing so by lying about whether firearms were involved, and comparing it to other riots that happened earlier in the year, and asking the American people "why can't you just get over it."

Well we don't want to get over it. And we're tired of the conservative media telling us that we're over reacting. The result of Donald Trump's Big Lie, and the January 6th insurrection, appears to be more attempts to find fraud where there was very little to be found. More restrictive voting laws making it harder for people to vote and even more gerrymandering to keep a minority party in power.

This isn't the way our democracy is supposed to work. Originally Posted by txdot-guy
Oh, it’s exactly how Democracy SHOULD work.
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Nobody was charged with “insurrection”. Nobody had firearms except the police. The only person that was killed by a fire arm was an unarmed female veteran. Those are the facts. Originally Posted by bambino
According to the link, "https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/capitol-protesters-were-armed-with-variety-of-weapons/" And being "armed" doesn't necessarily mean having a firearm. Just like not being charged for "insurrection" before everything has been settled does not mean it happened.

Both sides are lying. There WAS fraud in the 2020 election, just not enough to change the outcome if it had been fully uncovered (which it wasn't). So it's an exaggeration to say the election was "stolen".
Originally Posted by lustylad
You are absolutely right. The Lt.Gov. of Texas said he would pay $1M for proof of voter fraud. Well, he paid out. But the lying cheapskate only paid a fraction of it. And it was for Republican vote rigging.

It was “stolen”. I’ll tell you what, you spend 500 million for Zuckerboxes for mail in ballots. It’s true. You don’t believe it? How about our own state of Pa? They changed the election laws without approval from the legislature? Trump was up in Pa by 750,000 votes on election night. I’ve posted many links on this. Cmon man. Originally Posted by bambino
~5-6 dozen cases brought to court about it proves you wrong. Good ole kick-him-in-the-butt-and-he'll-do-his-masters-bidding Guilani screamed to high hell about fraud and stolen about the election. But come to court, you didn't hear a peep out of him about those rants. Wonder why *IF* they were true?

Well, nobody was charged with “insurrection”. So there’s that. Originally Posted by bambino
*Yet*. They have finished looking for and charging people that were there. And they sure haven't went up the food chart on it.

Of course you don’t believe there were Antifa members like John Sullivan who filmed his trespassing with a CNN reporter. I guess they just happened to be there. Originally Posted by bambino
Got a source that will break down the percentages of those arrested showing whose flag they were waving? Remember, three standard deviations in a data pool is statistically insignificant.
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The level of indifference to the effects of January 6th in this forum is simply staggering. The problem isn't that Democrats are making too much of January 6th. It's that Republicans are making too little of it. Instead of tackling the problem head on they are systematically down playing the actual damage that was done on that day. They are doing so by lying about whether firearms were involved, and comparing it to other riots that happened earlier in the year, and asking the American people "why can't you just get over it."

Well we don't want to get over it. And we're tired of the conservative media telling us that we're over reacting. The result of Donald Trump's Big Lie, and the January 6th insurrection, appears to be more attempts to find fraud where there was very little to be found. More restrictive voting laws making it harder for people to vote and even more gerrymandering to keep a minority party in power.

This isn't the way our democracy is supposed to work. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

get over it. it's a nothingburger. just another riot.
The level of indifference to the effects of January 6th in this forum is simply staggering. The problem isn't that Democrats are making too much of January 6th. It's that Republicans are making too little of it. Instead of tackling the problem head on they are systematically down playing the actual damage that was done on that day. They are doing so by lying about whether firearms were involved, and comparing it to other riots that happened earlier in the year, and asking the American people "why can't you just get over it."

Well we don't want to get over it. And we're tired of the conservative media telling us that we're over reacting. The result of Donald Trump's Big Lie, and the January 6th insurrection, appears to be more attempts to find fraud where there was very little to be found. More restrictive voting laws making it harder for people to vote and even more gerrymandering to keep a minority party in power.

This isn't the way our democracy is supposed to work. Originally Posted by txdot-guy
... WE KNOW there were no firearms involved - not by
the rioters - THEY DIDN'T SHOOT ANYBODY!
Nobody shot except Ashlee Babbit - by a COP.

You must have missed that.

And NO COMMENT from you on all the riots and Antifa
and BLM supporters KILLING people during the summer
riots... Burning police houses and looting shoppes.

You surely must have missed THAT also.

Why do you continue to waste our time here?

#### Salty
Yssup Rider's Avatar
Talk about a waste of time, eh.

Per the OP, this thread is about the GOP members who didn’t (and still don’t) have the balls to admit the truth about Jan 6, Trump and their shameful complicity - if only by their enabling and silence - in the darkest day in our politics.

Not Portland. Not imaginary black peoples bent on the destruction of thr White status quo.

Not what aboutism

Not carriage returns every
Few words of every
Post, or trying to
Use fake British spelling
Of Engluish wourds

Matey!

Curb your enthusiasm boys and try to keep it on topic.

# # #HAHAHAHA
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Of course you don’t believe there were Antifa members like John Sullivan who filmed his trespassing with a CNN reporter. I guess they just happened to be there. Originally Posted by bambino
They weren’t. Belief is not fact or truth, no matter what Twitler emails you.
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If they want their way, it's easy: VOTE!
~5-6 dozen court cases say there is no problem at the ballot box. Even all the judges Mitch pushed through say the same. Originally Posted by Precious_b
Yeah, except they didn’t.
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The problem isn't that Democrats are making too much of January 6th. It's that Republicans are making too little of it... Originally Posted by txdot-guy
Riiight!

So are you one of those clueless jackasses who want to hoist Jan. 6th into the historical pantheon of momentous dates alongside Pearl Harbor Day and 9/11?

Please don't make me cringe again. I already winced in embarrassment and disgust watching our woefully ignorant Vice President make such a hysterically inappropriate comparison!
YR believes only what the LSM (democrapic opratives) tell him...their called leftwing sheeple!!
He IGNORES the facts that don't fit his radical believes.
He celebrates this...he says BRANDON is up 3 points!!

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Oh, it’s exactly how Democracy SHOULD work. Originally Posted by bambino
Yeah, it was Democracy in action, buddy.

get over it. it's a nothingburger. just another riot. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
When they came for the Vice President ...




Right.



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