- CG2014
- 08-22-2025, 10:18 AM
She was appointed by Obama. Her words mean nothing!
- Salty Again
- 08-22-2025, 09:47 PM
Looks like the feds or the staties failed to follow the law.... Good Luck! ...
https://archive.ph/5hl7d Read the full article. There is a lot more information there.
Alligator Alcatraz Must Wind Down Operations, US Judge Rules
The sprawling immigrant detention camp known as Alligator Alcatraz must be wound down and dismantled, a federal judge said, dealing a setback to Florida’s push to help President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport millions.
US District Court Judge Kathleen Williams in Miami on Thursday barred immigration authorities from bringing more detainees to the makeshift facility in the Florida Everglades, finding that it was built without a proper environmental review.
The judge also ordered state and federal officials within 60 days to remove the fencing, lighting and all “generators, gas, sewage, and other waste and waste receptacles that were installed to support this project.”
In her ruling, the judge recalled that in the 1970s, federal and state officials joined together to protect a part of the Everglades that includes Alligator Alcatraz by creating Big Cypress National Preserve.
“Since that time, every Florida governor, every Florida senator, and countless local and national political figures, including presidents, have publicly pledged their unequivocal support for the restoration, conservation, and protection of the Everglades,” she wrote. “This order does nothing more than uphold the basic requirements of legislation designed to fulfill those promises.” Originally Posted by txdot-guy
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#### Salty
- Mplay
- 08-22-2025, 10:53 PM
lol they aren’t stopping shit. Judge has no authority.
- txdot-guy
- 08-22-2025, 11:33 PM
- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 08-23-2025, 05:54 AM
It’s the ruling of a federal judge. If they don’t comply then they are going to be ”breaking the law.”... Originally Posted by txdot-guyIn todays' instalment of: Name that LAW
...US District Court Judge Kathleen Williams in Miami on Thursday barred immigration authorities from bringing more detainees to the makeshift facility in the Florida Everglades, finding that it was built without a proper environmental review...What LAW?
...In her ruling, the judge recalled that in the 1970s, federal and state officials joined together to protect a part of the Everglades that includes Alligator Alcatraz by creating Big Cypress National Preserve.
“Since that time, every Florida governor, every Florida senator, and countless local and national political figures, including presidents, have publicly pledged their unequivocal support for the restoration, conservation, and protection of the Everglades,” she wrote...
Pretty sure Lee Zelding will have the EPA stand-down, as the base already existed.
The local Governor is on board, because screw their feewins.
So: What LAW?
- txdot-guy
- 08-23-2025, 07:42 AM
In todays' instalment of: Name that LAWThis law. The National Environmental Policy Act.
What LAW?
Pretty sure Lee Zelding will have the EPA stand-down, as the base already existed.
The local Governor is on board, because screw their feewins.
So: What LAW? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...new-detainees/
- txdot-guy
- 08-23-2025, 08:39 AM
She was appointed by Obama. Her words mean nothing! Originally Posted by CG2014
... Good Luck! ...
#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again
lol they aren’t stopping shit. Judge has no authority. Originally Posted by Mplay
In todays' instalment of: Name that LAWIt’s like dealing with angry children. The only one who countered the argument was WYID and he seemed extremely angry.
What LAW?
Pretty sure Lee Zelding will have the EPA stand-down, as the base already existed.
The local Governor is on board, because screw their feewins.
So: What LAW? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do
I’m sure that this will go to appeal but I happen to agree with the judge. I think that they could put this facility some place less environmentally damaging.
Just my opinion.
- offshoredrilling
- 08-23-2025, 10:24 AM
It’s like dealing with angry children. The only one who countered the argument was WYID and he seemed extremely angry.in a small part I agree
I’m sure that this will go to appeal but I happen to agree with the judge. I think that they could put this facility some place less environmentally damaging.
Just my opinion. Originally Posted by txdot-guy
Who wants ta revive a gator with narc.... after eating a inmate
Feeding Alligators inmates is not fare to them gators
- Precious_b
- 08-23-2025, 08:27 PM
What!? A goverment building project not following codes or inspections.
Colour me disbelief.
Colour me disbelief.
- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 08-25-2025, 06:32 AM
This law. The National Environmental Policy Act.First; thanks for a link. It was a decent jumping off point. I've been pulling the thread on this sweater and so far alls I gots is a giant ball of sweater string.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladit...new-detainees/ Originally Posted by txdot-guy
I think Forbes and the judge may be vastly exceeding their carbon quota with their superfluous gaslighting. Turns out the first judge they went to turned them down, so it seems they found another when they added in an Indian tribe or some such.
Interesting aside; it seems the same environmental group involved in the suit was also involved the "saving" of the Braunton’s milk vetch in the Tonga State park in Commifornia. As we now know, that "saving" was ultimately what prevented the State from replacing old wooden poles (from 1933) and thus created the conditions that contributed to the Palisades fire.
Anyway; in reading through some of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) act, it appears targeted to Federal government efforts only. To date the Alligator Alcatraz project is Stated funded to the tune of some $450 million. However, there is the potential for some FEMA related reimbursements down the road.
I was, at first, disappointed that Governor DeSantis would have embarked on the endeavor without anticipating this. Turns out he totally did and is already initiating the appeals process, which given the Judges 60 days edict, should ensure a quick turnaround.
Meanwhile, back at the ruling; I don't think the Judge can wave environmental concerns (being a Federal Judge). As such, she may well need to conduct an environmental study to ensure de-construction does not create a set of irreversible environmental risks, which could take a year or more.
Then there is the whole tenant problem. Air Uganda does not have a large fleet of large jets to carry them to their new homeland. So it might take a few months to get them all resettled. Though the Judge might also need to go through the another environmental study to ensure that all those jet flights, in short and repeated order, do not create a set of irreversible environmental risks, which could take a year or more.
Anyway, Imma keep reading and digging on this in my spare time.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
- CG2014
- 09-04-2025, 07:28 PM
- Salty Again
- 09-04-2025, 09:33 PM
- Salty Again
- 09-04-2025, 09:34 PM
- txdot-guy
- 09-04-2025, 10:23 PM
another win for President Trump and AMERICA!The article states.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alligat...dministration/ Originally Posted by CG2014
But on Thursday, the panel of appellate court judges froze that ruling. The court concluded that state and federal officials are likely to succeed in showing that the site isn't subject to the National Environmental Policy Act, because it is a state-operated facility and Florida has not yet received any federal reimbursement for the cost of running the site.
Does this mean that the State of Florida is not going to be able to be reimbursed for the cost of this facility?
- Why_Yes_I_Do
- 09-05-2025, 05:10 AM
...The majority ruled that the project - which has been funded by the state of Florida - did not trigger the kind of environmental review needed for federally funded construction projects...Who knew? It's like they actually read the relevant law. Either that or some Valued Poster wrote the ruling...
...Anyway; in reading through some of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) act, it appears targeted to Federal government efforts only. To date the Alligator Alcatraz project is Stated funded to the tune of some $450 million... Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoNaaaah.. Imma go with they read the law.