National Black List- Take it down

People,

There are no two ways about it. In San Francisco if you want to see a respectable woman 3 references or verification from a work email or call. It's just how it works. A true professional does have a name. It might not be real, but it is in this world. If they want reviews and a reputation they stay with that name. We change our fake name every meeting. Frankly, I prefer providers that require a bit more work to see and are on the pricier side. Because it means they are a season professional and are worth what the charge. Aka= Creating Vaule Originally Posted by bF75Hobbist

I lived in that area for 7 years. I've never given my real name to a provider. I used my profile at sfredbook. It may not be fun having to rebuild a hobby profile if it is wrongly accused, but it is much more palatable than having to rebuild my real name / reputation.

Either way I didn't post here to focus on the PROBLEM.

Could have fooled me and everyone else here.

I can't change what happened I stated the problem because I thought it would get me a more accelerate precise SOLUTION.

How are you going to get a solution here? You realize you are not at The National Black List. Were you confused by the smiley with an afro?

I know what I did wrong, I know what my faults, I know I deserved a big portion of what of the consequence. I know I was angry at the time. I know I did protect myself. I'm not disagreeing with any of it. You girls are entitled to your opinion I respect that. I'm not justifying every little red flags you see in my writings. I did not want to write this post. I didn't want this to be a big waste of and completely frustrated by this. My motive were not to rant and rave. They were to find a SOLUTION.

I just want my name off that list.

I've done my time. My jail sentence is over. The consequence has achieved it's purpose. I've paid those girls each double the original donation. I've made it right with both of them, so they edited the content. That did no good because my name is still associated to a blacklist pertaining to prostitution. I've tried talking to the website owners. Their response is- the only way the will is if I take them to court knowing full well no guy would ever do it because it makes everything worse and becomes public record. I don't want to go to court but I have no other solution a t this point.

Brilliant idea this site- aniche that sell at the misfortune to others

You are just like 99% of Americans. You made the mistake, but don't wish to pay the price. Certainly if what went down did occur as you say, and there is not much of a guarantee of that, then you shouldn't have had to pay them anything. The problem, is that you didn't take care of doing your homework. So, here you are tilting at windmills, screaming into the ether, to people who have no power to change your situation.

Good luck Don Quixote!

This is not the home of the Blacklist. It would probably be better to go there with your grievances than here.

I believe he did go there and basically they told him to fuck off.

I believe he did go there and basically they told him to fuck off. Originally Posted by burkalini

Thats my read too.

BF, I'm not sure what you think we can accomplish by posting it all here. You certainly aren't going to get much support for your position.

But you have the right to discuss the topic, its been informative to me personally.

what a mess

Some ladies are quick to add someone to NBL or PB for reasons that really don't warrant the guy being added. For some ladies, they're young and haven't been mentored in how to handle certain situations. For other ladies, they know what they're doing and don't have the patience to put up with BS that a lot of guys dish out. Some guys do very much belong on there.

If you don't want to end up on NBL or PB, I suggest that you take stock in how you handle your business with escorts and some ladies need to look at how they actually do business and why they're in this business.

When you fail to do your research on a lady before you see her, you're taking a chance and if it fails, you TOFTT.

A lot of scenarios that seem to end up on NBL or PB could be avoided if people showed others common courtsey and had the balls to tell the truth. Just because this is a P2P business doesn't mean you can't show respect for the person and their time. It goes both ways.

A lot of scenarios... could be avoided if people showed others common courtsey and had the balls to tell the truth. Just because this is business doesn't mean you can't show respect for the person and their time. It goes both ways. Originally Posted by MsElena

This is not only good hobbying advice, it's good life advice. I often say the biggest problem we have as a race is the lack of grace, manners, and courtesy in the world. I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else but I do try. Some days I'm more successful than others.

Then there are vindictive bitchs that use the board to get even when they are caught stealing from the client. Remember that he said she said, well that swings both ways. Is there a site where I can go and tell lies about the provider. I have the bank records and the text messages to back up my side. You will not find one provider that will have a bad word to say about me. It appears this thread is mostly providers that see only the providers side so I won't expect justice.

You are where you get to bitch about providers. I am not sure how bank records are a relevant backup for someone in the hobby. So far the ladies that have posted on this thread have been very reasonable in their responses.

I thinck the black list is a necessary evil. There are plenty of bad hobbyists out there whose sole purpose is to hurt another, and they do. There are also those fucktards that rip off the ladies, and they do. These things should be reported. But there are fucktards on the black list that are on it as revenge for a perceived slight on a SHMB, or NSNCing a provider. These are not good reasons to black list a tard.

I was listed on NBL for a absolutely foul bullshit reason. I had never seen/spoken to/sessioned with the cat piss crazy provider. After a mediocre review, I replied that I would pass. A few other posters replied the same general response. We were listed on BLS in the exact order of our responses. We were blasted as being cavemen, unworthing of this hobby and in need of banishment. It had zero effect on my hobby life as far as I know. Some women just can't handle any type of negative remark. Hopefully, she has found a strong pimp hand to guide her.

Then there are vindictive bitchs that use the board to get even when they are caught stealing from the client. Remember that he said she said, well that swings both ways. Is there a site where I can go and tell lies about the provider. I have the bank records and the text messages to back up my side. You will not find one provider that will have a bad word to say about me. It appears this thread is mostly providers that see only the providers side so I won't expect justice. Originally Posted by tucson

I think you will find more guys bashing women on this (and other such sites) than women bashing guys.

If you need to pull up bank records as "proof" of what happened I suspect you got yourself into a very poor judgement situation. If you were wiering her $ or taking out huge sums, then you might have other bigger issues.

Frankly, I prefer providers that require a bit more work to see and are on the pricier side. Because it means they are a season professional and are worth what the charge. Aka= Creating Vaule

So....you're talking about HDH ladies who are unprofessional? (HDH ladies, not a jab....I just wanna know what he considers "pricier") Seasoned professionals come in all price ranges.

I did not want to write this post. I didn't want this to be a big waste of and completely frustrated by this. My motive were not to rant and rave. They were to find a SOLUTION.

Ummmm....really? It basically sounded like you did want to write this post in order for the owners of a website to read your threats of a lawsuit. Why not contact them directly?

Don't be frustrated, because things are not happening as you want them to. Take your licks and move on as best you can. You've stated your lawyer will have fun with this...let him worry about getting your name off the list. Isn't that what you pay lawyers for? To handle the dirty work and take on the battles for us?

I just want my name off that list.

Understandable.

I've done my time. My jail sentence is over. The consequence has achieved it's purpose. I've paid those girls each double the original donation. I've made it right with both of them, so they edited the content. That did no good because my name is still associated to a blacklist pertaining to prostitution. I've tried talking to the website owners. Their response is- the only way the will is if I take them to court knowing full well no guy would ever do it because it makes everything worse and becomes public record. I don't want to go to court but I have no other solution a t this point.

Sounds like you more than made up for your indiscretions with the ladies.....too bad you were unable to use better judgement during each meeting. Hopefully, if there are problems in the future, you have learned to make a more appropriate decision which will not endanger your career and personal reputation.

Isn't there someway to contact the search engines directly to ask for things to be removed? I'd look into that. Especially the bigger ones.

Brilliant idea this site- aniche that sell at the misfortune to others


Simply a board that allows discussion, which includes opinions of all members who choose to participate. If you don't like the idea that folks may have negative things to say, this is not the ideal place to post. Ask anyone. The solution for this might be to purchase a premium membership (the owners must love me when I suggest this....LOL) and post in the men's private forum, so at least the ladies won't be able to chip in on this valued information in which you are seeking a solution. However, I suspect there there might be gents in that forum who won't always be supportive either.

Originally Posted by bF75Hobbist

I do have a question for you. How in the world were you able to discover just exactly what the lady was doing behind a closed bathroom door? Did she tell you? (not sure you can disclose this here, but inquiring minds want to know....PM me if ya want)

And I have a comment. The "period" lady was effed either way. Tell you and cancel or let ya know when you arrive. My opinion...she should have let you know as soon as she knew. Either way, it seems you had some issues handling situations that are not beneficial to you, and had a tendency at the time to choose an inappropriate way to respond. Very unfortunate.

Best of Luck and, yes...hard lessons to learn. Hopefully others were able to glean a little insight into the fact that there might be a negative consequence for anything other than acceptable behaviors and practices in this business. There are ladies who also get put on lists for inappropriate behaviors. Hopefully, they are not giving out their real world information which can then be sought on the internet. Requiring personal ID is really a bad practice and ladies should figure out other ways to screen and new gents should be willing to jump through a different kind of hoop, other than compromising their identity to any provider who asks for it.

Discretion and Safety are two key factors in this business. I simply won't see newbies, or am willing to meet in public in order to assess whether I will then meet with them later in private, and yes, I also get paid to do this. They do call this the hobby...we all know hobbies take time and planning in order to be successful and satisfying. If you call a lady up with no references, and are only able to give your real world info, are you really a hobbyist looking for a hot lady who can handle her business and take care with yours? Nah...you're just another guy with a few bucks looking to get laid as quickly and easily as possible by some hot lady, who may or may not be able to be trusted with your personal info.

I apologize to the ladies who require this info......we all have our screening policies, but I simply don't subscribe to this particular one for the reasons I've stated. It's not discrete or safe and some have proven untrustworthy when given this info. I can not comprehend why gents would willingly provide this info in order to meet a lady. JMO...please try not to crucify me for it.

The only exception I have for believing providing identity is OK, would be for a screening site such as P411. It is a professional site with a proven record of discretion. One blunder by it's staff and a site like this could be done for and they know it. Therefore, they understand they have everything to lose and nothing to gain by revealing real world identities.

Blacklist.com seems to be a joke... they want your credit card first thing.. please message me if u use this website..

When provided real world info by a newbie for screening that's just one step. It does require research and that is why if you value your safety and reputation you don't let some guy say "I'm John smith and I work at McDonalds". No one is invisible. I have always been very careful to keep myself (personally) mostly unsearchable but most clients have not spent years trying to do that.

And I don't know about anyone else but the idea that you meet in public and eyeball to see if he is safe.........Ted Bundy was remarkably charismatic.

I've no comment on either side with respect to the merit, or lack thereof of not paying a provider in this case. I wasn't there. But....

Vindictiveness can be a double edged sword. Outing real world information on the internet is inexcusable within an underground society. I wonder if, prior to posting a client's personal information on that NBL site, a provider ponders the potential consequences to herself of taking such an approach.

What if, after the civil trial, the plaintiff doesn't prevail but still is not satisfied with the outcome. At that point, could not a normal retaliatory response be for him to pursue his vendetta by outing the provider? A simple call to LE or the local DA's office, even if not pursued, could be considered a "gotcha" by the injured victim.

I'm not advocating such an action by any means. But on the other hand, it seems excessive for a provider to take such drastic action, given the extenuating circumstances that apparently had a chilling effect on both sessions. And, I strongly feel the punishment did not fit the crime in this instance.