Wow can't believe how many people judge or down BBW WOMEN FOR THERE SIZE AND NOT FOR WHAT THEY ARE IN SIDE! !!!!!!!!!!

You would be very wrong about that....

I've had 3 ladies fill up much of the last 36 years of my life, sucking and fucking me along the way..... Each of them a very good looking young lady.... the last two of them much younger than me....

Money was not a part of the fist two and is only a minimal part of the current relationship...... Her security, safety, well being, support and education are far more of a driving factor for her.....

Fat/Obese men have considerably more options than fat/obese women do not have.

but ya know something man? When we DO pay..... we pay the same as you do and fuck the same girls you do...... Originally Posted by Whispers

If this is so then you are contradicting your own very recent posts where you clearly stated that you have had numerous long term living arrangements with these young ladies which averaged you approximately $1500- $2000 per month. In fact you JUST posted it within the past few weeks.You have also several times made it extremely clear that you are very well off and generous to these girls.

If you are now completely changing your story contradicting what you stated in writing and are now suddenly claiming these young dancers are fucking a self portrayed very obese individual strictly because of his personality then I would have to say IMO you are completely full of shit.
Really no basis to argue on as it's your claim which can't be disproved otherwise.

My statement is that of basic common sense. If you don't have money, fame or connections and are obese and unattractive you are extremely unlikely to get laid by a young hottie.
Am I missing something or has the relationship structure between old men and young women in society Suddenly changed?

I took your comment in the context that fat guys ONLY get laid as a result of money.

My answer addressed two things...

1) That fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives.... that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one.

2) That when we DO pay we get the same service and see the same ladies at the same rates as the young wanna-be studs have to pay....


I am not changing ANY story....

I am saying that you are twisting other posts out of context trying to apply them here.

I am also saying that YOUR illusion that you attribute to "basic common sense" is in fact pure ignorance on your part....

My Personal life has always had a young hottie in it.... And cash is not a factor in that..... I have not always had connections or enjoyed the success I sometimes do now.

Women pair up with men based on connections far more important to them than looks.... Some of which have been mentioned....

Do I NEED to pay a young hottie to fuck me tonight? The odds are that just like you, if I do not already know her and have been building a connection with her, then like you, I am looking for the easy way.

Are there a few young hotties in my personal and professional life I have, can or will fuck without money on the table?

Absolutely..... Yes... Because of other reasons.... Some of which have to do with things like a sense of humor, success, confidence, etc....

Your flip flopping from "society in general" to P4P

ALL my statements are accurate in relation to the topic they are presented on.

When I was married... I did not WANT to take or spend the time to nurture totally money free relationships with women that I knew would eventually end....

I am single now and looking again.... I've slept with 3 different young ladies 21-25 in age that would qualify as "hotties" without giving them a dime....

But cultivating those relationships took time and continues to take time...

Pay for Play does not....

I will go so far as to say that the same personality traits that get me laid and have put beautiful women at my side for the last 36 years are traits that NOT ONLY get me the same action as any guy here gets, but in the long run I get MORE and I get it for LESS....

I took your comment in the context that fat guys ONLY get laid as a result of money.

My answer addressed two things...

1) That fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives.... that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one.

2) That when we DO pay we get the same service and see the same ladies at the same rates as the young wanna-be studs have to pay....


I am not changing ANY story....

I am saying that you are twisting other posts out of context trying to apply them here.

I am also saying that YOUR illusion that you attribute to "basic common sense" is in fact pure ignorance on your part....

My Personal life has always had a young hottie in it.... And cash is not a factor in that..... I have not always had connections or enjoyed the success I sometimes do now.

Women pair up with men based on connections far more important to them than looks.... Some of which have been mentioned....

Do I NEED to pay a young hottie to fuck me tonight? The odds are that just like you, if I do not already know her and have been building a connection with her, then like you, I am looking for the easy way.

Are there a few young hotties in my personal and professional life I have, can or will fuck without money on the table?

Absolutely..... Yes... Because of other reasons.... Some of which have to do with things like a sense of humor, success, confidence, etc....

Your flip flopping from "society in general" to P4P

ALL my statements are accurate in relation to the topic they are presented on.

When I was married... I did not WANT to take or spend the time to nurture totally money free relationships with women that I knew would eventually end....

I am single now and looking again.... I've slept with 3 different young ladies 21-25 in age that would qualify as "hotties" without giving them a dime....

But cultivating those relationships took time and continues to take time...

Pay for Play does not....

I will go so far as to say that the same personality traits that get me laid and have put beautiful women at my side for the last 36 years are traits that NOT ONLY get me the same action as any guy here gets, but in the long run I get MORE and I get it for LESS.... Originally Posted by Whispers

Ok then Whspers I shall have to say that aside from your MAGICAL STUDLY self the rest of us lowly males especially obese ones won't be getting laid by any young providers without some form of compensation.

The context of the comment was clearly about young providers not fucking unattractive older obese mongers without some form of compensation whether in or outside the hobby. This was in direct correlation to mongers and obese providers.

It wasn't REMOTELY about whether or not over time you were able to charm the pants off of a pole dancer. The thread was not about WHISPER'S Conquests.

1) That fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives.... that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one.quote Originally Posted by Whispers

Please explain how you figure "fat ladies" have a harder time of getting laid vs a fat man???

That is just down right funny and ignorant! As long as I have been a "big gal" I have NEVER had any issues with getting laid...and TRUST me, I pull in some pretty damn good looking men for being a "fat lady".

So, did Whispers just inadvertently create the term "BBM" ???

So, did Whispers just inadvertently create the term "BBM" ??? Originally Posted by John_Dough

More like "BUM" for Big Ugly Male based upon his previous self portraits. Gives new meaning to he's a bum.

I digress. Not exactly the topic so I'll stop it here. I'll be damned if I allow myself to become the next Budman vs Whisper team.

Ok then Whspers I shall have to say that aside from your MAGICAL STUDLY self the rest of us lowly males especially obese ones won't be getting laid by any young providers without some form of compensation.

I never suggested that young "providers" were fucking anyone without compensation. That's just your twist on trying to make it seem I am on a different track.

The context of the comment was clearly about young providers not fucking unattractive older obese mongers without some form of compensation whether in or outside the hobby. This was in direct correlation to mongers and obese providers.

Are you trying to suggest that the young providers fuck any of the mongers here without compensation? If so I would have to agree that it does happen. I had a FWB relationship with one for a few months early last fall....

It wasn't REMOTELY about whether or not over time you were able to charm the pants off of a pole dancer.

And where did I say anything remotely about that?

The thread was not about WHISPER'S Conquests. Originally Posted by Codybeast

No... It was not... But I will always respond when someone is twisting what I say or misrepresenting it.

Your usually better at expressing yourself,

"1) That fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives.... that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one"

Please explain how you figure "fat ladies" have a harder time of getting laid vs a fat man???

I did not say that "Fat Ladies had a harder time getting laid vs fat men"... I am glad you refer to "ignorance" because to QUOTE me and then misstate what I said is a rather fine display of similar traits.

I was referring to relationships and that fat women have a smaller pool of available men interested in them. The whole premise of the discussion evolved from a rather well know fact that women match up with men for reasons where physical attraction is NOT the most important feature.

So Fat Men are not necessarily ruled out by hot ladies simply on appearance sake the way many fat ladies are ruled out by men of all sizes... Appearance matter much more to the males of the species.

To be honest it is MUCH easier for fat/obese women to get laid in everyday life then fat men......... Most of the bar sluts in the clubs I ran that were available any night some guy was drunk enough were fat/obese ladies.

I don't think a night passed that a fact chick willing to "spread-em" was not a shoe in to get laid by someone.

They always came back in alone though..... The same guy that porked them last night pretending not to know them tonight...

That is just down right funny and ignorant! As long as I have been a "big gal" I have NEVER had any issues with getting laid...and TRUST me, I pull in some pretty damn good looking men for being a "fat lady". Originally Posted by Sexy Roxanne

I do not doubt that you do.... There are certainly some that find BBWs to be to their liking.

If you want to debate a subject... don't do so by misquoting or misrepresenting what the other party said....

Out of curiosity. How long do you folks want to have this fat providers issue at the top of the forum?

If it is helping business.... by all means continue....

I'll do my part when addressed to help.....

I've been enjoying popcorn. You are doing a fantastic job of backing out of this topic yet going nowhere but deeper into shit.

I do think your confidence definitely gets you increased odd with the 20 year olds, your money gets you the other 95%.

p.s.

security = roof over head, food = YOUR money
safety = see security, above
well being = supplying all her financial needs = YOUR money
support = advice, and YOUR money
education = her time and YOUR money

"are far more of a driving factor for her....."


me thinks you either need to re-read the second sentence of your signature line, or remove it because... wow.. just wow.

p.s.

security = roof over head, food = YOUR money
safety = see security, above
well being = supplying all her financial needs = YOUR money
support = advice, and YOUR money
education = her time and YOUR money

"are far more of a driving factor for her....."

me thinks you either need to re-read the second sentence of your signature line, or remove it because... wow.. just wow. Originally Posted by budman33

well..... She's actually a very smart young lady with a full scholarship and other than food and a slightly higher water and electric bill the overhead and education cost me very little actually.... Less than what most guys spend on 4 sessions in a month..... I keep track of every penny...... If I spent another $1200 a month on her it would be about the budget I used to spread across the strippers... Instead the money is getting banked at the moment...

crawl back into your bottle... You are still clueless....

I do not doubt that you do.... There are certainly some that find BBWs to be to their liking.

If you want to debate a subject... don't do so by misquoting or misrepresenting what the other party said....
Originally Posted by Whispers

Excuse me mister...I did not misquote or misrepresent anything. I quoted EXACTLY what YOU typed and responded with MY opinion.

Excuse me mister...I did not misquote or misrepresent anything. I quoted EXACTLY what YOU typed and responded with MY opinion. Originally Posted by Sexy Roxanne

You may have quoted it correctly but you either misread the statement or mistook the meaning to it. You are trying to suggest I said something other than what I did.

"1) That fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives.... that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one"

Please explain how you figure "fat ladies" have a harder time of getting laid vs a fat man??? Originally Posted by Sexy Roxanne

"fat guys have more options than fat ladies do not have in their everyday lives...that other factors allow us to get laid without money being the motivating one"

No where do I state that fat ladies have a hard time getting laid. It's a hell of a lot easier for ANY woman to get laid than it is for most guys. Men tend to be dogs..... Let a fat/obese provider run an add for a free GB and I bet they turn away guys... many of them good looking probably.

Fat/Obese Providers tend to have a smaller pool of available clients then the hotties. I am sure you don't really disagree with that. If it were not true then fat providers could charge the same rates as the hotties. But reality is that most BBW Providers get paid less, for more action than most hotties and tend to have to market themselves far more aggressively to get noticed. That most BBWs that get talked about are getting noticed for certain activities.... I don't thinkk I go a day without hearing or reading about how some BBW has the greatest BBBJCIMNQNS at the best rate.... But no one like to talk about fucking them for some reason....

In regards to fat women in society. They have far fewer choices than in shape women. I go to a lot social events put on by friends and associates or in relation to my career and BBW/Obese women in attendance are far more often in attendance without dates then fat/obese men..... As a matter of fact MOST of the fat/obese men at these functions over the years are with thinner/in shape women.... Guys at the top of their profession in many careers tend to incredibly hot and younger women.... Money starting to platy a role in it I am sure.

Why? as I said... women evolved more then men in my opinion and put more value on other qualities more important than physical appearance. Men on the other hand are still the shallower of the species....

You are never going to twist this into something other than what it was and always has been in regards to my statements.

BBW/Fat/Obese Providers have fewer prospective clients
BBW/Fat/Obese Women have fewer prospective mates for LTR/marriage IRL

FAT/Obese Clients can bang pretty much any Provider they want if they have the price of admission.
Fat/Obese Men with wit, charm, good demeanor and a healthy dose of Self Confidence have considerably more prospective mates for LTR/marriage as compared to their counterparts.

Hello beautiful
That sounds wonderful and romantic except for one small detail. The actual numbers have always very clearly shown otherwise. Originally Posted by Codybeast

Actual Numbers? You are better off teaching me how to give a bbbj than teaching me about the Actual Numbers in this business.

I can tell you what a man likes BCD by the choice of words in an email.

Regardless of what you or others might think. I have been extemely successful in this business & it is not because I am a young hottie.
I have been successful because I educate myself, I do treat this as a business and I do know how to market & sell in this business.

Money was not a part of the fist two and is only a minimal part of the current relationship...... Her security, safety, well being, support and education are far more of a driving factor for her..... Originally Posted by Whispers

The lady that uses this "business" as a means to improve their life instead of for daily survival, will be successful and will not have regrets.

I like Wifey

The lady that uses this "business" as a means to improve their life instead of for daily survival, will be successful and will not have regrets.

I like Wifey Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

I like her too!

So I won't be letting you get too close to her!