how much info should i give for reference check?

Exactly! That girl will be the one of the girls on here talking about getting busted and robbed and the kind of girl that can't be trusted with guys' information. Would you want him to take the risks you did trying to get to her?

The point is, whether it's Gina or a reputable provider, he's got to get screened. With a REPUTABLE provider, he's hit two birds with one stone. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

NO GIRL can be trusted with that kind of information. Not my information. I will stick with the ones that don't ask for it. Anybody that gives personal information in this hobby is foolish in my book. Client or provider.

OK Tiff, I will give it a shot, it’s all in fun.

New Provider

I post in welcome wagon and tell ALL hobbyists that I screen and want 2 provider references, P411, Email, Name, Phone number, and Eccie handle (even though I am not verified, don’t have any reviews, website, or P411. I will use my girlfriends P411 to check his OK’s) I check his P411 profile and get his OK’s. I call both of his references and ask 100 questions. I tell him to PM me for Rates and activities. (while I check the going rate of veteran providers) When he PM’s me again, I tell him $$.5 per pecker (in case that 3 pecker guy calls) everything covered & no kissing. lol and bring me something to eat on your way, oh and I ran out of condoms, so stop and pick some up. I spend 15-min. eatting on his time. How did I do?

CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

You'd make a good ho! You'd make ALL the money!

But you bring up a very good point. What would you expect of a new lady that has had a mentor that's willing to help her screen, and has an understanding of the need to build and maintain a good reputation?

Not everyone wants to start as a BP ho.

And Tiff, in reply to the part about putting ourselves in yalls shoes. Honestly, I would probably not be newbie friendly. If I had a request from a gent I would research him on here. Check his reviews and contact a couple of the ladies. I would try and get a description of the guy. Height, weight, hair color, ect. And I would make sure that matched the guy I met.

I think if a guy has been here for a couple years, accumulated several reviews, and had a pretty good rep here I would feel a lot better about seeing him.

If he's calling the ladies bitches and hoes, talkin about barebackin, or if he signed up yesterday and has 1 post in the iso section, I would stay away. Originally Posted by threepeckeredbillygoat

Thank you for this. You'd be a good ho too!

But you've got to take into account that his ATF won't get back with you, and when she does, she says 'he's fine'.

3P, though they look darling on, you can take the fishnets and garters off.

The provider could always asked for your personal info and you never hear from them again, therefore she has some usable info on you but you have none on her and your out a session. Do providers not trust P411 anymore? P411 did some thorough screening on me, is that not the case every time? I thought the MAIN reason for oks on P411 was more of a judge of character starting point for the lady's. I could be wrong, however, in the end its the ladies choice and she has to feel comfortable. Period. So to the OP, do what you feel comfortable with, know the risk of giving information to someone you've never seen either. Most of the time if the ladys in good standing on here and P411, you will be fine. But thats not always the case.

B

That is a shame that a newbie provider, fresh from welcome wagon, with no P411, and no reviews, will ask us for more info then she has or is willing to show. like 3 references but she has nothing and she would decline the OP. I also hope we helped the OP in his quest for some great sexy ladies. with that said: I am still a STRONG believer that ANY provider should run her business the way she is comfortable with and hobbyists can choose whoever they want to spend their hard earned money on, and can get screened with, w/o all the hassel.

Hobby safe my friends,
CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

Its frustrating, especially when the hobbyist has been screened by Gina and crew. But as you pointed out, its the ladies choice, and that's how it should be. Bless the newbie friendly providers that TOFTT, with screening of course. I think they are the backbone that keeps the other girls income stream fresh with new clients.

B

The provider could always asked for your personal info and you never hear from them again, therefore she has some usable info on you but you have none on her and your out a session. Do providers not trust P411 anymore? P411 did some thorough screening on me, is that not the case every time? I thought the MAIN reason for oks on P411 was more of a judge of character starting point for the lady's. I could be wrong, however, in the end its the ladies choice and she has to feel comfortable. Period. So to the OP, do what you feel comfortable with, know the risk of giving information to someone you've never seen either. Most of the time if the ladys in good standing on here and P411, you will be fine. But thats not always the case.

B Originally Posted by beezdat

I promise he wouldn't be asking this question if he was P411 verified. It would be completely unnecessary.

P411 is a great judge of character most of the times. Some guys have great P411 references, and turn around and review all the BP ho's on ECCIE. I've had clients to ask me for recommendations in other cities, only to overlook my recommendation to go with a BP girl and get robbed or get a rushed non-GFE experience. I have, of course, stopped giving out recommendations except for my mailing list.

I have been hobbying for a long time. I don't do it often but have been doing it for a long time. I have seen several of the top ladies in Dallas and other cities over the years. Not once have I provided any real life personal info.

I get a kick out of the ladies on here that won't see guys until they have seen other providers. I can not understand why a guy would spend money seeing a provider he has no interest in seeing to pass the screening requirements of another provider. Seems pretty hipocritical to me for one ho to require you to see another ho before seeing her. They are both hos. Why does one feel she is better or needs to be safer than the other one?

Trust me; there are many ways to see providers you want to see without providing personal info.

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I get a kick out of the ladies on here that won't see guys until they have seen other providers. I can not understand why a guy would spend money seeing a provider he has no interest in seeing to pass the screening requirements of another provider. Seems pretty hipocritical to me for one ho to require you to see another ho before seeing her. They are both hos. Why does one feel she is better or needs to be safer than the other one?

Trust me; there are many ways to see providers you want to see without providing personal info. Originally Posted by Iluvwomen

I am not newbie friendly but i do require u to have AT LEAST 2 references. Some are comfy seeing newbies.. more power to them. I am not. I dont think i need to be any safer.. as well should be safe. But i am here for me.. not her.. and this is my business not hers. And my business requires at least 2 references.
Having references... shows us ur obviously NOT LE.. and if she getting reviews and posting.. then you are obviously not a craigs list killer. Also... it lets us know if u are a complete jerk bcd.. if u are one that attempts BB... etc.


I dont see having to give out a shitload of personal info...ie paycheck stubs , SS cards, etc. But your name I can completely understand!! I found out once through screening that a guy had 2 references... but upon deeper screening he had done time for rape and robbery!!

I can even understand showing ID. Why? if you have P411?

Because i have encountered several jerks who openly ADMITTED they use others P411 account. I have encountered men openly ADMIT they use friends ECCIE acct and references!
Your 411 Id has ur first name and 4 digits of i think ID. So if a lady feels better matching those up... then it shouldnt be a problem. You would appreciate that if you ever had ur P411 ID stolen...the guy ended up raping her and Gina banned YOUR acct and YOU had the warnings on YOU.
Its those bad apples.. that make us have to screen more.
Also... in OKC we are dealing with a very beautiful provider who was tortured, mutilated and then murdered, dismembered and thrown out like day old trash! So Id think some guys would understand ladies screening harder. Many providers are single moms... so we MUST screen not only for our own protection but to make sure we stay alive for our kids!

Now.. in defense for the guys.. I do understand why some are uneasy.. especially lately with batshit crazies threatening to out guys if they see other girls... or threatening to out them if they dont come back and see them.

All I can suggest is that newbies dont just jump in feet first. SCREEN/RESEARCH!! Does this girl have ANY alerts ANYWHERE? If she is newbie friendly she probably has reviews. ASK those guys about her. Some may have given her a YES only to be threatened a month later. Ask the guy if he would even see her again. If NO, then ask why!! Many guys are scared to put a NO instead of a YES because the girl threatened him.

If she has no alerts and nothing but positive things said about her FROM MEN WHO HAVE SEEN HER, NOT JEALOUS GIRLS WHO ARE GRASPING AT STRAWS TO KEEP BUSINESS.. then you can probably bet that ur info is safe.

let me give everyone some great advice

GET P411

GET P411 RIGHT NOW

P411 IS GOLDEN

ALL YOU NEED IS P411, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.

SO STOP READING THIS THREAD, RIGHT NOW, JUST STOP AND GO GET P411.

HURRY UP, DO IT RIGHT NOW.

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YOUR STILL READING THIS THREAD? STOP, RUN AND GET P411 NOW!!!

I am not newbie friendly but i do require u to have AT LEAST 2 references. Some are comfy seeing newbies.. more power to them. I am not. I dont think i need to be any safer.. as well should be safe. But i am here for me.. not her.. and this is my business not hers. And my business requires at least 2 references.
Having references... shows us ur obviously NOT LE.. and if she getting reviews and posting.. then you are obviously not a craigs list killer. Also... it lets us know if u are a complete jerk bcd.. if u are one that attempts BB... etc.


I dont see having to give out a shitload of personal info...ie paycheck stubs , SS cards, etc. But your name I can completely understand!! I found out once through screening that a guy had 2 references... but upon deeper screening he had done time for rape and robbery!!

I can even understand showing ID. Why? if you have P411?

Because i have encountered several jerks who openly ADMITTED they use others P411 account. I have encountered men openly ADMIT they use friends ECCIE acct and references!
Your 411 Id has ur first name and 4 digits of i think ID. So if a lady feels better matching those up... then it shouldnt be a problem. You would appreciate that if you ever had ur P411 ID stolen...the guy ended up raping her and Gina banned YOUR acct and YOU had the warnings on YOU.
Its those bad apples.. that make us have to screen more.
Also... in OKC we are dealing with a very beautiful provider who was tortured, mutilated and then murdered, dismembered and thrown out like day old trash! So Id think some guys would understand ladies screening harder. Many providers are single moms... so we MUST screen not only for our own protection but to make sure we stay alive for our kids!

Now.. in defense for the guys.. I do understand why some are uneasy.. especially lately with batshit crazies threatening to out guys if they see other girls... or threatening to out them if they dont come back and see them.

All I can suggest is that newbies dont just jump in feet first. SCREEN/RESEARCH!! Does this girl have ANY alerts ANYWHERE? If she is newbie friendly she probably has reviews. ASK those guys about her. Some may have given her a YES only to be threatened a month later. Ask the guy if he would even see her again. If NO, then ask why!! Many guys are scared to put a NO instead of a YES because the girl threatened him.

If she has no alerts and nothing but positive things said about her FROM MEN WHO HAVE SEEN HER, NOT JEALOUS GIRLS WHO ARE GRASPING AT STRAWS TO KEEP BUSINESS.. then you can probably bet that ur info is safe. Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

Lacy, I love your entire Post and I agree.

Your 411 Id has ur first name and 4 digits of i think ID

Yes it does and the 4 digits can be on any ID in your wallet.
If the lady wants to see it, you can cover up the rest of your drivers lic and show only the first name, same goes for those 4 digits on a different piece of ID. She only needs the Info that P411 requires. and it also proves that it is your account. I have NO problem with that. I want the lady to be comfortable with me.

CG

Tiffani, in the smart phone scenario I outlined, "fucked" referred to personal info being in the hands of some scumbag who could blackmail, out people, etc. While LE is one risk, there are others that are just as bad.

FYI it's not just government agencies that can do it. If you use a smart phone, make sure your passcode is 8+ characters as it exponentially decreases the risk of bypass.

Tiffani, in the smart phone scenario I outlined, "fucked" referred to personal info being in the hands of some scumbag who could blackmail, out people, etc. While LE is one risk, there are others that are just as bad.

FYI it's not just government agencies that can do it. If you use a smart phone, make sure your passcode is 8+ characters as it exponentially decreases the risk of bypass. Originally Posted by shlub

You know what? I honestly didn't think of it that way! You're a smart cookie, Schlub. I like cookies, but smart ones are better!

I don't use a smart phone for this business, by the way. I have a separate laptop, that I access the internet via VPN...

Lacy, I love your entire Post and I agree.

Your 411 Id has ur first name and 4 digits of i think ID

Yes it does and the 4 digits can be on any ID in your wallet.
If the lady wants to see it, you can cover up the rest of your drivers lic and show only the first name, same goes for those 4 digits on a different piece of ID. She only needs the Info that P411 requires. and it also proves that it is your account. I have NO problem with that. I want the lady to be comfortable with me.

CG Originally Posted by Copierguy0

Geez, I already said that in my post like 2 pages back.

...On the P411 side, recently I heard of guys using each other's P411 to see ladies. So P411 and references are great, but the provider should still be asking questions to make sure everything matches up. A suggestion by P411 is that a driver's license be shown at the door (with last name and address covered by his fingers or paper and tape) so that the driver's license info matches the P411 ID.

Point being: Ladies, please do what you need to do to feel safe and if you need help with learning how to screen more effectively, there are a lot of seasoned providers out there who will be happy to give you helpful tips. Originally Posted by Lil Oral Annie

so if you are still reading this thread and have gotten all the way to this post you need to STOP READING THIS THREAD

GO GET P411

P411 IS GOLDEN

ALL YOU NEED IS P411, YOU DONT NEED ANYTHING ELSE

SO HURRY UP, STOP READING, STOP POSTING AND GO GET P411

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FUCK YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SLUTS UNITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!