Freaking Out Over Bareback

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But a one hour relationship? Hell no. I don't know you well enough to engage in unprotected sex. Originally Posted by TxBrandy
My point exactly concerning CIM- potentially HIV infected cum splashing down the throats of those providers that allow it.

The point of this thread seems to be about folks "freaking out" over those that engage in unprotected sex in the hobby. People that live in glass houses.....
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Sweet heather you hit it right on the head of what the whole discussion was about from the beginning. First big up's to all the people out there who didn't let this thread get hijacked by the self rightous. There a few people out there who aren't afraid to take an unpopular stance on what they know is the truth.

For months I talked about safe sex in the context of not just using a condom Is the bottom line on it. I've research different reviews of most people who post in these threads and seen that most of them assumed that if they wore a condom they were protected from a STD. Not true at all. They blindly walked along the popular line with providers yelling that BBFS is suicide. (maybe they got a discount for agreeing with them).

Bottom line is that sex with multi people is unsafe sex! Daty, bbbj, dfk, stripper slide. Cim, cof all these things would and will get you a uncureable STD no if and or but. I'm no medical expert like some people on here claim to be. And yes some of the risk for some of these activities is low. But just some of them. A doctor told me once "that if you put your life and health in the hands of a piece of rubber your crazy.


Someone said there not BB no one that they're only going to know a hour. NoW let's think about that. One hour? But your saying your ok with the rest of the unsafe stuff done. You could have caught a STD using a condom yesterday and still don't know it today. And if you see three guy today you just passed it to them, and in the next couple days they'll pass it to thier wives. Or another provider. Condom aren't a fix all. True safe sex the kind that put your risk to almost zero isn't worth having.

Like I said for months I tried to push this to See where people were on the issue. But most guy agree with the providers out of fear of being blackballed. And most providers disagree with these threads because they don't want to be known as the girl who might be doing BBFS! Because she would be unsafe.



I've even saw some provider chime in who I haven't seen on here in a while. Against all this of course.
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Wait.

Let's separate this shit. I know some of you probably can't but please try to comprehend what I'm saying.

I don't give a crap if I'm being paid, you are being paid, nobody is getting paid, and whether you are a provider, hobbyist, or some free shit from a bar. Hobby sex or free sex. If you are having sex with different partners you should practice safe sex, use a fucking condom or engage in "outercourse".

I will decide whom to have BB with. If I find a honey who wants to be my boyfriend or marry me, we will have a discussion about this, we will both get tested, WE will decide on whether to use condoms or not if we decide on a monogamous relationship. That is something between a life or potential life partner and myself.

But a one hour relationship? Hell no. I don't know you well enough to engage in unprotected sex. We haven't talked about either of our sexual histories, hell we don't even have a trusting relationship for greater than an hour.

Now I think one of the reasons some of us get righteous is because we care about the hobby as a whole and DO NOT want to perpetuate the stereotype of us being a bunch of disease ridden time bombs trying to spread our illness amongst the masses. Originally Posted by TxBrandy
Brandy beat me to the punch. I was going to say the same thing. It truly surprises me that there are some here who say that BB is okay if the two parties agree to it. What, are you? STUPID?

Yes, we all take risks, even with condoms, but your risk is exponentially increased when doing BB. You have NO idea if the other person has something or not and you should always assume they do. One day it WILL bite you on the ass.

Any provider or hobbyist who does BB increases their chances of catching something. A guy who sees a girl who does BB increases his chances of catching whatever she has. It's not like these BB people are walking in with their most recent STD test and comparing them and saying "Ok, we're clean. Let's do bareback."

There are ladies out there doing BB for an extra $100. How is that safe? Any guy with an STD can walk in, fuck her, give her an STD and leave. The next guy walks in and gets whatever the first gave gave her.

It's not rocket science, people. We all know what's out there and how to get it. Consciously refusing to take precautions is not only ignorant, but dangerous and deadly. We all take a risk with BBBJ, DATY and CIM but the chances of contracting something in this manner is much lower than BB sex. Most would say this is a "calculated" or "acceptable" risk. There's nothing calculated or acceptable with BB sex. And, while it may be possible to catch something in the brief moments of intercourse when a condom breaks, the chances of that are much lower than sustained unprotected sex. Pull out and put on another one. Don't finish bareback.

And, as Brooke said, there's a big difference between doing BB with your SO or girlfriend, who may have only had enough partners to count on one or two hands, and a provider who has seen thousands of guys or a hobbyist who has seen hundreds of girls. All bareback is not equal.

The simple fact is if you're doing bareback in the hobby you're an idiot. And, until you and you're civie partner get tested and you're doing it, you're an idiot as well. Don't take their word for it. Get proof.

Just consider this one scenario, which could very well happen, as it does happen in "the real world." A provider does BB with a client. She gets herpes. She's pissed and wants revenge on all guys, so she offers BBFS to get even with "all the assholes in the world." You see her. You get herpes. Now, explain that to your wife or SO, or any other future sex partner.
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  • jfred
  • 08-08-2010, 01:07 PM
Brandy, I 100% agree with you, as usual.

But be careful babe. Not trying to change the subject, but when I dared to suggest that CIM was unsafe, as was told to me in the Safer Sex class given by two doctors here in Dallas at Baylor Health Services, I was crucified and hung out to dry and called a prude.

My point is that *some*(not you) people appear to be quite hypocritical in pointing fingers and judging others when *they* don't agree with sexual practices that others engage in in the hobby, but then turn around and are quite judgmental towards anyone who disagrees with what *they* do sexually.

And yes, jfrog, everything you said to describe Brandy is true. Thank God she agreed with you though, because if she hadn't, I suspect that the words you used to describe her wouldn't be quite so...nice. Originally Posted by Sweet Heather
jfrog, that's good. Actually he's my second cousin in Tibedeaux.

Your response here is exactly what I was talking about when I implied that you might want to refrain from posting anything other than your syrupy cliches, dear. You may be the poorest listener I've ever known. And I say that not as an insult but as a matter of dispassionate observation.

Still in your final paragraph -- I didn't really check to see if Brandy "agreed" with me or not. Did she? What I responded to was what I've always found attractive in Brandy, she has a head on her shoulders that is more than a wig platform. Anyone who has given some thought -- some intellectual and spiritual reflection -- to what they say, has my respect and my appreciation for contributing to a discussion, particularly if it's one that I initiated.

And excuse me, what words did you imagine I might have used to describe someone who didn't "agree"? Have I called you names?

Oh, and back to the idea that this is my thread, so to speak...I know CIM is a big issue to you but I'd rather it (and your experiences with it) not become a focus here. I realize the OP relinquishes some control over content, but that would be my preference.

But since I've already mentioned it, too, are you implying that *someone* (meaning me) suggested that CIM was "safe", or even safer than using a condom? If so, I deny that. I know that the only safe sex is be abstinent or mutually monogamous (which, btw, is the way I lean these days). Context is important, heather, and you routinely ignore that. You'd be my poster child for taking (out of context) statements or ideas that you find inflammatory, and then trying to start fires with them.

I do remember once trying to discuss (in a rational manner, of course, and I know that gives you trouble) what might be the actual increased risk of swallowing that "potentially HIV infected cum", as you're so fond of calling it.

In that context, I may have mentioned how thankful I am that HIV is such a fragile little bug. Good lord, if it had emerged or mutated into a robust virus or (as some so feared) become air-borne or transmitted by mosquitos, most folks reading this would have died horribly in the early years of the pandemic. That was back when AIDS victims succumbed to shit like rare funguses that grew in their throats and lungs and choked them with pneumonia.

But, yeah, thankfully none of that happened in terms of epidemiology, and people don't die like that anymore in the developed world. Nowadays it's treatable if you have good health insurance. Look at Magic Johnson.

I usually point out that HIV remains a wimpy pathogen. It remains a fact that simple pre-digestive enzymes secreted into saliva from the lining of the mouth kill it very rapidly. I'm pleased about that, frankly.

My possibly negative responses to you, heather, have not been because you don't "agree" with me. More likely it would be because you seem to intentionally ignore the relevance of such facts as those in any discussion. And then you come in here (on "my" thread) and imply that I might have said something somewhere else that would prove me a hypocrite.

Sweetheart, you don't listen you don't follow things. I have this terrible image of you holed up in some dark place, pale, despising the taste of semen and posting reflexively whenever someone says something about good ol' CIM that could possibly be interpreted as favorable.

I know it's not really like that. But it would aid my mental health if you'd not talk crazy.
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Pornodave69 your right. Your very right about herpes. But the one thing your wrong about is this. You can get herpes while wearing a condom. Does that change your outlook any way on different activites?
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Pornodave69 your right. Your very right about herpes. But the one thing your wrong about is this. You can get herpes while wearing a condom. Does that change your outlook any way on different activites? Originally Posted by jhende3
No, but you are LESS LIKELY to get it or something else while wearing one than if you don't. That's the point of protection. I never said you couldn't catch something while wearing a condom. That's you putting words in my mouth. Nothing is 100% effective except for no sex. Condoms are 99% effective in preventing STDs. Not using condoms is 0% protection and a greater chance of getting one.

Would you prefer to put a revolver to your head with all 6 bullets, or just one?

Do what you want, but not using protection is just ignorant and asking for an STD.

There is always a risk. How much of a risk is determined by using protection or not.
Sweet heather you hit it right on the head of what the whole discussion was about from the beginning. First big up's to all the people out there who didn't let this thread get hijacked by the self rightous. There a few people out there who aren't afraid to take an unpopular stance on what they know is the truth.

For months I talked about safe sex in the context of not just using a condom Is the bottom line on it. I've research different reviews of most people who post in these threads and seen that most of them assumed that if they wore a condom they were protected from a STD. Not true at all. They blindly walked along the popular line with providers yelling that BBFS is suicide. (maybe they got a discount for agreeing with them).

Bottom line is that sex with multi people is unsafe sex! Daty, bbbj, dfk, stripper slide. Cim, cof all these things would and will get you a uncureable STD no if and or but. I'm no medical expert like some people on here claim to be. And yes some of the risk for some of these activities is low. But just some of them. A doctor told me once "that if you put your life and health in the hands of a piece of rubber your crazy.


Someone said there not BB no one that they're only going to know a hour. NoW let's think about that. One hour? But your saying your ok with the rest of the unsafe stuff done. You could have caught a STD using a condom yesterday and still don't know it today. And if you see three guy today you just passed it to them, and in the next couple days they'll pass it to thier wives. Or another provider. Condom aren't a fix all. True safe sex the kind that put your risk to almost zero isn't worth having.

Like I said for months I tried to push this to See where people were on the issue. But most guy agree with the providers out of fear of being blackballed. And most providers disagree with these threads because they don't want to be known as the girl who might be doing BBFS! Because she would be unsafe.

I've even saw some provider chime in who I haven't seen on here in a while. Against all this of course. Originally Posted by jhende3
I think you are either being argumentative or simply hard headed. I can't even tell on which side of this issue you stand and at this point I don't care.

I believe we realize by now that any sex is not 100% safe sex. We also realize that in order to enjoy this activity called sex (whether paid or free) we need/should practice SAFER sex by using a condom in order to REDUCE the risk of STD's.

Now, if where you are coming from is the idea that condoms don't protect you from STD's and therefore you feel it doesn't matter, that is your opinion and we can agree to disagree. I do not feel that way nor will I change my stance based on your arguement.

I will say for the record that I am CIM and NQNS. Due to the research I have done in regards to the contracting of STD's orally. The risk of HIV submission is next to nil orally due to the reasons stated. HOWEVER, we all know that HIV is not the only STD - there is Herpes, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc. Those types can be transmitted via open sores and active breakouts with oral sex. Any provider worth a dam should be aware of the signs and symptoms and either decline or give CBJ.

I still get requests from cautious hobbyists for CBJ simply for "just in case". I have no problems with it, if that's how they feel comfortable, fine. I am certainly not going to try and convince them that BBBJ is ok and I expect them not to convince me otherwise about BBFS.

I still see no point in this ongoing discussion. I will do what I am comfortable with primarily followed by what you are comfortable with.
LOL Porno and I were writing same thing basically at same time..
[quote=jfred;486705] You may be the poorest listener I've ever known. But the best cocksucker EVER! LOL


And excuse me, what words did you imagine I might have used to describe someone who didn't "agree"? Have I called you names? To split hairs, no, not exactly. However, jfrog, you are obviously very intelligent and quite the wordsmith, and have a wonderful knack for demeaning those with who you disagree or cross your path.

I know CIM is a big issue to you but I'd rather it (and your experiences with it) not become a focus here.Yes, we have gone over the CIM issue way too much. But my point is that it is ironic that the girls that only do CBJ critize the girls that do BBBJ, the girls that do BBBJ but not CIM critize the girls that allow CIM, and now the girls that allow CIM are critizing girls that do BBFS. How funny. Every girl that is appalled about the increase of providers doing BBFS need only to look at their fellow sisters that have allowed every "taboo", every boundry to be crossed until now we come to the ultimate boundry being crossed-BBFS. I find it a bit irritating that girls that allow CIM, COF, name calling, face slapping, hair pulling etc now get on a high horse and are "shocked" that some girls are doing BBFS.

Context is important, heather, and you routinely ignore that. You'd be my poster child for taking (out of context) statements or ideas that you find inflammatory, and then trying to start fires with them.In other words, you don't like it when someone takes your exact words and shows them to be exactly what they are.

In that context, I may have mentioned how thankful I am that HIV is such a fragile little bug.EXACTLY!! And as was pointed out, saliva "kills HIV", So just spit on Mr. Big before insertion, and no problem! Right?

Good lord, if it had emerged or mutated into a robust virus or (as some so feared) become air-borne or transmitted by mosquitos, most folks reading this would have died horribly in the early years of the pandemic.Then please explain to me why BBFS is such a problem! If HIV is so darned fragile, the chance of being infected by BBFS can't be that great, right? Just like the chance of infection from CIM is small too, right? So what's the problem? If some girls let gents CIM for next to nothing, why critize those girls allowing BBFS for $$$$! Don't be so judgmental!


But, yeah, thankfully none of that happened in terms of epidemiology, and people don't die like that anymore in the developed world. Nowadays it's treatable if you have good health insurance.Fabulous! Let's have a BBFS party ya'll! It's "treatable"!!

I usually point out that HIV remains a wimpy pathogen. It remains a fact that simple pre-digestive enzymes secreted into saliva from the lining of the mouth kill it very rapidly.Well dear, then all you need to do is apply plenty of saliva to his cock before insertion and all's well, since as you nicely pointed out, saliva kills HIV. Oh, and cumming on someones face is an act of "endearment", as was said to the Austin provider who believed it. Anythin else you'd like to enlighten providers to jfrog?


Sweetheart, you don't listen you don't follow things. I have this terrible image of you holed up in some dark placelike my backyard?LOL, pale,Poor me, I own a tanning salon but never use it. LOL despising the taste of semenonly semen from strangers that might be infected by HIV. I hear that tastes real bad, know what I mean, jfrog? and posting reflexively whenever someone says something about good ol' CIM that could possibly be interpreted as favorable.Like someone holed up in a dark place and posting reflexively about providers that allow BBFS. LOL

I know it's not really like that. But it would aid my mental health if you'd not talk crazy.I'll take that into consideration if you won't talk in circles and not use being condesending to take place of your twisting of facts. Luv ya![/quote]
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When has spitting on a pecker been a part of safe sex? I must have slept through that lecture.
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Good one! But just like most people would thing there is nothing no such thing as 100% safe sex your right. Just as when a provider does a BBBJ she is assuming that the other person doesn't have a STD that could be passed orally. Another person might assume that a provider doesn't have a STD that could be passed gentially. I know we all have made that assumption. And we all have rolled those dice and our number never came up. It's human nature. Also most people don't knownly pass STD's alone. Most providers I believe are safe clean people. Just like I believe most hobbist are. They both practice safe sex within reason with each other. They look for warning sign on each other before they start any activies. You take a risk and they take a risk we will never know our patners whole sexual history. All I'm trying to say is people with glass houses shouldn't throw stones at each other. And stop grand standing when a bareback thread is posted.
When has spitting on a pecker been a part of safe sex? I must have slept through that lecture. Originally Posted by pyramider
I'm too tired and lazy to show you the thread, but yes, it was claimed that (quote) Saliva kills HIV. So if saliva kills HIV, doesn't it stand to reason that all you need to do is spit on Mr.Big before you put it in then the saliva will kill any HIV that might be flooding the providers vagina(or throat)??
Or could it possibly be that CIM, as well as BBFS, is not safe.Shocking!
Yes, we have gone over the CIM issue way too much. But my point is that it is ironic that the girls that only do CBJ critize the girls that do BBBJ, the girls that do BBBJ but not CIM critize the girls that allow CIM, and now the girls that allow CIM are critizing girls that do BBFS. How funny. Every girl that is appalled about the increase of providers doing BBFS need only to look at their fellow sisters that have allowed every "taboo", every boundry to be crossed until now we come to the ultimate boundry being crossed-BBFS. I find it a bit irritating that girls that allow CIM, COF, name calling, face slapping, hair pulling etc now get on a high horse and are "shocked" that some girls are doing BBFS

I do agree with this as posted by Sweet Heather as I remember a time when CBJ was the norm and as she says, we were a bit shocked at the girls that did BBBJ. I hated doing CBJ, absolutely hated it, but I did it because I didn't want to be seen as the unsafe freak. More and more ladies it seemed started offering it but before I decided to take the plunge, I researched and researched and learned what to look for, what to smell for, what to feel for and if there is a doubt I'll still do CBJ. I tried to find studies on oral sex and transmissions of STD's but it was hard since there were no studies focusing only on oral sex.

Anyway I for one can say that I can be one of those people in the glass house. I do share my opinion as it applies to me and how I feel about certain situations but I try not to critisize others and their choices. I'm saying I would not do BBFS at this point and probably never, but I also won't call out and name call and demean those that do.

Ok, this post is not cutting through the nuts and bolts on this LOL. I may have to rewrite it as it looks like once again I tried to over explain.
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I think everything we do as adults is not really safe. I know I do unsafe stuff and will admit it. Would I have sex with a provider that does BBFS Yes. They all do. Virus and bugs don't know the difference between if I pick her up in a bar or on Backpage. Would I have sex with someone I know has a STD. No. I believe ever provider I've been with was clean or all that stuff. Do I believe that I can catch someone from eating a provider? Yes. But I take that chance. Do I believe that a broken condom could lead to a HIV infection. Hell Yea. But once again I take that chance. And everyone else weather you admit it or not you do too. It's the game we play.

I've been swinging for years ( me and my wife) with females. We know the dangers of unprotected sex. There has been times that I have looked down and the condom was either gone or broken and I couldn't tell you when it happen. But talking and getting to know a person and where they have been helps. Get tested and I'm not going to tell you you have to do it ever week like some people claim they do. But do it. Look before you stick. Smell before you lick lol. And ages play a big part I think in things too. The younger a person is the more you might have to worry about.

You don't have to worry so much about HIV unless you messing with iv drug users, homosexual males, or someone who spent a lot of time in Africa. You can have unprotected sex with someone with HIV and still only have a 1 and 500 chance of getting it.
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I imagine saliva can work wonders if it is a CIM instance. But by spitting on the unit prior to its insertion would do nothing to when it orgasm time. I figure the saliva would have been rubbed off by the friction created from a pumping action of the pecker and the vagina walls.