Educating Inmates

If we could reduce the number of revolving-door criminals (and educating inmates may or may not be one solution), we will save taxpayers' money and, more importantly, make society safer. Anyone who does not care about the first benefit can just consider the second. Originally Posted by jackfengshui

That's pretty out there, but ok.

Fact is, if it works based on a cost/benefit analysis, it's only because it works. So can we at least agree that treating humans based on what makes society safer is....humane? In the extreme? Originally Posted by Doove

I didn't reply to Jack's post because I feared simply appearing argumentative for it's own sake. But I'm neither sure it makes society safer nor am I sure safer is the best end. Safety and comfort keep Johnny's in place.

Doove, your cost/benefit sentence is frightening.

Doove, your cost/benefit sentence is frightening. Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

Seriously? As opposed to something like this?

But I'm neither sure it makes society safer nor am I sure safer is the best end.

Maybe I should have killed some people to save some money on rent, medical, and my education. Instead I ended up with 82000 in student loans, 20000 in medical bills, and I'm a hooker and bar manager/bar tender to pay it all off. If I were to go into my field I would be a wage slave for the rest of my life. I figured either way I'd be getting fucked so I might as well take the more enjoyable route.
It's pretty sad that I make more at the bar alone playing a shrink prescribing shots than I would as the real thing. Sometimes I just stop and think "WTF is wrong with this picture?!?!" I can't afford the pay cut to use my Masters until I'm out from this debt and I'm sure as Fuck not any healthier.

Seriously? As opposed to something like this? Originally Posted by Doove

Open your mind, I know you can, it is safer to not go whoring. Are there not other aspects of your life where safety doesn't always come first?

I prefer justice to safety. I'd say truth too but that would sound all righteous.

Seatbelts are safer but I still think it's bullshit to require their use.

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Free college for Inmates? Not just no, but HELL NO! Taxes in NY are among the highest in the nation. We can not afford it. If you do the crime, you can do the time. Maybe if your life sucks, you should think about what you're about to do.

So can we at least agree that treating humans based on what makes society safer is....humane? In the extreme? Originally Posted by Doove

Ben Franklin Quotes: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”

Ben Franklin Quotes: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

How is any of this considered sacrificing liberty?

If what we did was provide vocational training to prepare them for a job on the outside and combine it with practical experience while within jail, that would be more acceptable to many.

How is any of this considered sacrificing liberty? Originally Posted by Doove

If the imprisoned gain beyond the free, have the free true liberty?

Isn't any expense, at least a tax, a loss of liberty?

Didn't it take a bump to get a response?

If the imprisoned gain beyond the free,.. Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

That "inequity" already exists. Taxpayers provide room and board to the imprisoned and not to "the free". LOL

That "inequity" already exists. Taxpayers provide room and board to the imprisoned and not to "the free". LOL Originally Posted by jackfengshui

Yes, but within this thread there's already been proferred an argument against that inequity. No need to make it worse.

Certainly it would be folly to think it could be fully eliminated. My retort to Doove, and yourself, is that overall, safety is a pretty weak goal. Certainly for its own sake.