Haggling, Negotiating Pricing, Gifts and Being A Cheap Bastard.... does it work?

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If this doesn't clarify, (a different angle,) I'll assume you know me from elsewhere and have formed an opinion of me based on back channel or association.

Somewhere you read that I said "I'm so hot and in demand, I think guys should pay me $700-$1000/hour". My rates are based off of a $400/hour structure. My VIP rates, off of $300/hour structure. (After 4 hours.) and my client line up is not what anyone thinks it is. Intentionally. I average very few clients per month. (Home) hence, the rates. Most of which are regulars and VIP's.

Somewhere you read I was slamming guys who hire ladies who charge less. That's not haggling. That's awesome that the guys pay their full rate.

Somewhere you read that I say guys should pay more than they have to, and guys who don't aren't worthy. Nope. My $300 reference is related to experiences I have had on numerous occasions, where I tried to be nice and give compassion for someone's budget limitations, did a discounted hour, when my minimum was a higher time minimum, and afterwards they told all their friends they paid full price, and I didn't provide what a $600 minimum lady should provide, room wise, or otherwise. (Numbers are examples) Things like that have happened to me over and over again. And I've learned from my experience that I do not deal well with it, so I simply eliminated the problem.

Just like any girl who looks good and has assertive skills is not attractive to some because of their experiences.

For the record, I don't think its a good idea for guys to even tip much at all. I've seen way too many people get taken advantage of that way, and have their world shattered over and over again because the girl led him wrong, then threw dirt in his face as soon as he ran out of supplies for a while. If a guy experiences this, or has a friend who has, he's going to see every hooker with a voice as a bad person.

Those kinds of ladies give us a bad name. Not all higher rate escorts are bad. They just have limitations, and prices do help manage the work load.

I happen to feel empathy for people, and need to put up stronger walls so I don't give in. Because just like there are women out there who prey on your weaknesses, there are guys who pray on ours too. I personally have to self analyze, create protocol, and adjust accordingly based on what I can handle vs what is coming at me. I've only got me in this world. No one else. So I do what I feel is best for me, and if someone tries to ruin it, instead of creating drama, or blaming everyone else for my hurts and pains, I blame myself, and change things up on my end. Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

LOL I think you over thought this and went down the wrong path. I was referring to a young lady here in Austin. Actually two of them. Guys are paying WAY OVER asking price to get preferential treatment. Lot's of guys with tons of discretionary cash... it's fine pussy they are seeking. In some cases good company if the life support system attached to the pussy has that to offer. Interesting I struck a nerve so to speak but it was coincidental. LOL

If you go back and reread my post knowing I was most certainly not referring to you it might make more sense.

There is a reason some providers are apprehensive about posting. I, personally, have gotten a nice little slap in the face for replying honestly, with intent to help.

Apparently there are cliques here, of which I must already not belong. Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

There are cliques all over the board(s). I don't belong to any myself. I just bump around the board trying to not embarrass myself to often. I have my good days and then.... well you know. LOL

With no reviews and no show case you could be anyone. I wouldn't worry to much about it. I for one am interested to hear what you have to say.

When I stated providers might be "apprehensive" about posting is because their clients might read their posts and think "she" might be talking about them.

LOL I think you over thought this and went down the wrong path. I was referring to a young lady here in Austin. Actually two of them. Guys are paying WAY OVER asking price to get preferential treatment. Lot's of guys with tons of discretionary cash... it's fine pussy they are seeking. In some cases good company if the life support system attached to the pussy has that to offer. Interesting I struck a nerve so to speak but it was coincidental. LOL

If you go back and reread my post knowing I was most certainly not referring to you it might make more sense. Originally Posted by Still Looking

Ok, the "this is where I jump to the other side of the fence" caused me to assume "this" meant the quoted (my) text. But looks like you were adding on, and "this" meant what you were about to say.

So then in response to your response, (phew,) I get what you are saying about over paying, just because you can, every time. I'm assuming they do it to stroke their own ego? In that light, if I were hot and in demand enough to get $700-$1,000 per hour by guys stroking their own egos, plus gifts, you bet your ass I would do it!!! At least I'm honest.

Just hopefully not at the expense of my current character and outlook on what life us about. I bet it's hard not to become superficial when surrounded by the superficial. So I guess I thank my lucky stars that I'm not a V.S. Model lol.

Because I'd be raking that money in. 😬😬😬 Unfortunately, I am not, so I have to think a little harder. 😏


Sorry for the misunderstanding.

There are cliques all over the board(s). I don't belong to any myself. I just bump around the board trying to not embarrass myself to often. I have my good days and then.... well you know. LOL

With no reviews and no show case you could be anyone. I wouldn't worry to much about it. I for one am interested to hear what you have to say.

When I stated providers might be "apprehensive" about posting is because their clients might read their posts and think "she" might be talking about them. Originally Posted by Still Looking

I have a review... Is it not connected? Courtney Ova. Nice to meet you. now that I look like a total frump lol.😒

Ok, the "this is where I jump to the other side of the fence" caused me to assume "this" meant the quoted (my) text. But looks like you were adding on, and "this" meant what you were about to say.

So then in response to your response, (phew,) I get what you are saying about over paying, just because you can, every time. I'm assuming they do it to stroke their own ego? In that light, if I were hot and in demand enough to get $700-$1,000 per hour by guys stroking their own egos, plus gifts, you bet your ass I would do it!!! At least I'm honest.

Just hopefully not at the expense of my current character and outlook on what life us about. I bet it's hard not to become superficial when surrounded by the superficial. So I guess I thank my lucky stars that I'm not a V.S. Model lol.

Because I'd be raking that money in. ������ Unfortunately, I am not, so I have to think a little harder. ��


Sorry for the misunderstanding. Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

I love happy endings. Thank ever so much for going back like I asked. I new it would make more sense if you did. I agree with you and I think you with me in regard to both sides of the issue.

I agree with you in that why should you offer a discount to some guy who just wants to pay less. Not everything is negotiable as they would like to think. I bet if they need heart surgery they won't be shopping for the cheapest ass hole that squeaked through medical school. No I bet they will want the very best money can buy. I know I sure would! seeing someone "one" time in my mind is NOT discountable. but that's just me. I think its a yes or a no. Now if the guy becomes a regular or the provider raises her rates then by all means he should get a "deal". And a smart provider would do just that to keep her regulars.,... regulars!

Now from the other side... just because I can afford twice as much why should I pay that? I love this example... I met a provider and on our second visit she said she'd love to have a special bag. Later I checked the damn thing was $2,300.00 I just started laughing. Now mind you I went out to dinner with her OTC and we had two sessions up our belts. So her birthday just happened to come up in less than two weeks and she asks via text... did you get me the bag? I responded... Why? Her answer... because you can! I said No I didn't buy you a new car either. I didn't it was my responsibility to do so. If you want the bag, you should save your money and buy it and maybe be more available for sessions so you can do just that. Never heard back from her. Which sucked because I really enjoyed my sessions with her.

The thing I agree with the most is how guys take advantage of girls and girls most certainly do the same thing. So we all need to protect ourselves.

Here is a story you might appreciate. I met a new provider. Had an excellent session. Then I left for Houston. The next day I get a call from her she is out of gas could I help her out. I told her I was in Houston but would be back that night. So being the dumb ass that I am I send an employee over, fill up her car ($55.00) and give her $45.00 cash. We were to meet at the same hotel that night. She never showed or answered the phone. Disappeared from ECCIE. so that summer I pull into a gas station and guess who is there at the next pump filling up? that's right.... it was her! I walked over and said... WHAT HAPPENED? my did you not show up or even call me? She looked confused at first then I mentioned the hotel we meet at and it all came back to her. she finishes filling up her car and says she'll be right back. Ok... so I just watch mine fill up. Next thing I know she is hauling ass out of the gas station. I just laughed. So I drive home. and guess what I see at my neighbors house? That's right her car. So I walk over to my neighbors house as if to say hey... got a new car? But the daughter was home and answered. I said hey you guys get a new car? she says no its my friends from school. She opens the door and there she sits. In SHOCK SHE SAYS NOT ONE WORD! I say hey I love the cover on the back wheel... where did you get it? The car came that way she answered. I ask can I check it out? She walks out and shows me the car cover. The daughter NOT in tow. I ask are you going to pay me the $100 you owe me? She says if you don't leave me alone I'll walk over and have a talk with your wife. I start laughing and say GREAT I'll take you over. I'm not married but hell you can talk to the maid. Do you speak Spanish? She runs back into my neighbors house. I figure what a piece of crapola. So I start walking home... two doors down. She runs back out and gives me the $100. I say what about the room I had to pay for when you didn't show up? She asks how much was that? I want you to apologize for be a total bitch! She said she was sorry. I left and walked home. Isn't life grand?

I have a review... Is it not connected? Courtney Ova. Nice to meet you. now that I look like a total frump lol.�� Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

The one on Ter... yes very nice to meet you.

Now from the other side... just because I can afford twice as much why should I pay that? I love this example... I met a provider and on our second visit she said she'd love to have a special bag. Later I checked the damn thing was $2,300.00 I just started laughing. Now mind you I went out to dinner with her OTC and we had two sessions up our belts. So her birthday just happened to come up in less than two weeks and she asks via text... did you get me the bag? I responded... Why? Her answer... because you can! I said No I didn't buy you a new car either. I didn't it was my responsibility to do so. If you want the bag, you should save your money and buy it and maybe be more available for sessions so you can do just that. Never heard back from her. Which sucked because I really enjoyed my sessions with her.

Good God!
Where do women like this come from?!? Don't misunderstand me, I love thoughtful gifts just like the next girl, but to ask someone you've just met for something so extravagant? I can't wrap my head around a request like that! I know I could never ask or accept anything like it. It does feel better to earn something like this for yourself. If it was hard earned, it will be treasured... Sometimes if it comes to easily, it will slip right back through your fingers and be gone. Did she think she put some sort of GPS spell on you? Damn, that takes some balls!

The thing I agree with the most is how guys take advantage of girls and girls most certainly do the same thing. So we all need to protect ourselves.

Here is a story you might appreciate. I met a new provider. Had an excellent session. Then I left for Houston. The next day I get a call from her she is out of gas could I help her out. I told her I was in Houston but would be back that night. So being the dumb ass that I am I send an employee over, fill up her car ($55.00) and give her $45.00 cash. We were to meet at the same hotel that night. She never showed or answered the phone. Disappeared from ECCIE. so that summer I pull into a gas station and guess who is there at the next pump filling up? that's right.... it was her! I walked over and said... WHAT HAPPENED? my did you not show up or even call me? She looked confused at first then I mentioned the hotel we meet at and it all came back to her. she finishes filling up her car and says she'll be right back. Ok... so I just watch mine fill up. Next thing I know she is hauling ass out of the gas station. I just laughed. So I drive home. and guess what I see at my neighbors house? That's right her car. So I walk over to my neighbors house as if to say hey... got a new car? But the daughter was home and answered. I said hey you guys get a new car? she says no its my friends from school. She opens the door and there she sits. In SHOCK SHE SAYS NOT ONE WORD! I say hey I love the cover on the back wheel... where did you get it? The car came that way she answered. I ask can I check it out? She walks out and shows me the car cover. The daughter NOT in tow. I ask are you going to pay me the $100 you owe me? She says if you don't leave me alone I'll walk over and have a talk with your wife. I start laughing and say GREAT I'll take you over. I'm not married but hell you can talk to the maid. Do you speak Spanish? She runs back into my neighbors house. I figure what a piece of crapola. So I start walking home... two doors down. She runs back out and gives me the $100. I say what about the room I had to pay for when you didn't show up? She asks how much was that? I want you to apologize for be a total bitch! She said she was sorry. I left and walked home. Isn't life grand?

You are far from a dumb ass Sir. Another WTF is wrong with her!?! Why couldn't she just return the money with a smile and a heartfelt thank you? Sometimes it takes awhile to return what was loaned, but to pull that crap?!? Someone so selfish chaps my ass every time I read something like this.

I love happy endings. Thank ever so much for going back like I asked. I new it would make more sense if you did. I agree with you and I think you with me in regard to both sides of the issue.

I agree with you in that why should you offer a discount to some guy who just wants to pay less. Not everything is negotiable as they would like to think. I bet if they need heart surgery they won't be shopping for the cheapest ass hole that squeaked through medical school. No I bet they will want the very best money can buy. I know I sure would! seeing someone "one" time in my mind is NOT discountable. but that's just me. I think its a yes or a no. Now if the guy becomes a regular or the provider raises her rates then by all means he should get a "deal". And a smart provider would do just that to keep her regulars.,... regulars!

Now from the other side... just because I can afford twice as much why should I pay that? I love this example... I met a provider and on our second visit she said she'd love to have a special bag. Later I checked the damn thing was $2,300.00 I just started laughing. Now mind you I went out to dinner with her OTC and we had two sessions up our belts. So her birthday just happened to come up in less than two weeks and she asks via text... did you get me the bag? I responded... Why? Her answer... because you can! I said No I didn't buy you a new car either. I didn't it was my responsibility to do so. If you want the bag, you should save your money and buy it and maybe be more available for sessions so you can do just that. Never heard back from her. Which sucked because I really enjoyed my sessions with her.

The thing I agree with the most is how guys take advantage of girls and girls most certainly do the same thing. So we all need to protect ourselves.

Here is a story you might appreciate. I met a new provider. Had an excellent session. Then I left for Houston. The next day I get a call from her she is out of gas could I help her out. I told her I was in Houston but would be back that night. So being the dumb ass that I am I send an employee over, fill up her car ($55.00) and give her $45.00 cash. We were to meet at the same hotel that night. She never showed or answered the phone. Disappeared from ECCIE. so that summer I pull into a gas station and guess who is there at the next pump filling up? that's right.... it was her! I walked over and said... WHAT HAPPENED? my did you not show up or even call me? She looked confused at first then I mentioned the hotel we meet at and it all came back to her. she finishes filling up her car and says she'll be right back. Ok... so I just watch mine fill up. Next thing I know she is hauling ass out of the gas station. I just laughed. So I drive home. and guess what I see at my neighbors house? That's right her car. So I walk over to my neighbors house as if to say hey... got a new car? But the daughter was home and answered. I said hey you guys get a new car? she says no its my friends from school. She opens the door and there she sits. In SHOCK SHE SAYS NOT ONE WORD! I say hey I love the cover on the back wheel... where did you get it? The car came that way she answered. I ask can I check it out? She walks out and shows me the car cover. The daughter NOT in tow. I ask are you going to pay me the $100 you owe me? She says if you don't leave me alone I'll walk over and have a talk with your wife. I start laughing and say GREAT I'll take you over. I'm not married but hell you can talk to the maid. Do you speak Spanish? She runs back into my neighbors house. I figure what a piece of crapola. So I start walking home... two doors down. She runs back out and gives me the $100. I say what about the room I had to pay for when you didn't show up? She asks how much was that? I want you to apologize for be a total bitch! She said she was sorry. I left and walked home. Isn't life grand? Originally Posted by Still Looking

That's a lot of running for a hundred bucks lol.

Good God!
Where do women like this come from?!? Don't misunderstand me, I love thoughtful gifts just like the next girl, but to ask someone you've just met for something so extravagant? I can't wrap my head around a request like that! I know I could never ask or accept anything like it. It does feel better to earn something like this for yourself. If it was hard earned, it will be treasured... Sometimes if it comes to easily, it will slip right back through your fingers and be gone. Did she think she put some sort of GPS spell on you? Damn, that takes some balls!




You are far from a dumb ass Sir. Another WTF is wrong with her!?! Why couldn't she just return the money with a smile and a heartfelt thank you? Sometimes it takes awhile to return what was loaned, but to pull that crap?!? Someone so selfish chaps my ass every time I read something like this. Originally Posted by Mia Christine

Real life is crazier than fiction don't you think?

That's a lot of running for a hundred bucks lol. Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

My running days are over LOL I walked! Slow and stead wins the race!

My running days are over LOL I walked! Slow and stead wins the race! Originally Posted by Still Looking

Haha no, you ran (walked) for justice. She ran and hid for $100. That's a lot of work on her part for $100.

Haha no, you ran (walked) for justice. She ran and hid for $100. That's a lot of work on her part for $100. Originally Posted by OpenMindedGFE

True Dat!

Interesting Topic

I personally do not haggle. I have asked if a provider is running a review special but that is the closest thing to haggling i do.

I see more providers than I write reviews, so i see it as giving a little back to write one and I'm not stupid and do not expect huge discounts.

I however did find the following part of your original post interesting:

On to gifts. I ALWAYS bring gifts. Why? Really simple reason that's part of the no haggling and negotiating price(s) answer. I want to do something nice and unexpected for this person I'm about to get to know intimately. Once again eliminating the chances of have an average or less than average session. In short... I pull out all the stops to make sure nothing gets in the way of have a great time!

Does it work and is it worth doing? That's the BIG question. For me it does. I found out early on that in the long run many doors have been opened that might not have been had I been a cheap bastard. Being offered menu items not normally offered. Being asked to stay longer if they don't have other obligations. OTC (Off The Clock) Investing time to get to know the "lady" behind the escort proves to be entertaining, informative and certainly adds to the next hobby encounter with that lady. In many cases being able to take both pictures and video. Not always welcome by many providers. So for me... YES it works and it's worth it! Originally Posted by Still Looking

I do not gift or try to become overly social with providers. This is not because I'm cheap or a bastard, I have total respect for providers. Its a conscious choice I make to create clear separation. This world to me is a business transaction, Im paying for a service, I expect good service and pay more than enough for said service.

Gifts and becoming to social opens the door in my mind for providers to take advantage. I get that I may loose out on extras, I may not create a deeper connection with a provider and getting free time goes out the window, but I'm fine with that. Im happy if the lady is polite, welcoming, looks & performs service as advertised and I'm given the time I paid for.

Lucky for me plenty of providers offer the above and I leave happy!

On to gifts. I ALWAYS bring gifts. Why? Really simple reason that's part of the no haggling and negotiating price(s) answer. I want to do something nice and unexpected for this person I'm about to get to know intimately. Once again eliminating the chances of have an average or less than average session. In short... I pull out all the stops to make sure nothing gets in the way of have a great time!
Originally Posted by Still Looking

Hey Uncle,

Where did you get the "Gift Bag" Idea? You were the "TShirt Guy" for the first 2 years...who convinced you that a gift bag was a good idea?

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