short time rant

silly wombat I never said I was doing fs Originally Posted by RebeccaHillcroft

5 out of 10 of your reviews list FS. The majority list DATY. God only knows how many guys come on your tits. We are supposed to believe you never have to use the restroom during the day? All you use is wipes and you never shower except before you go to work? Wombat is correct, you have zero credibility complaining about hygiene.

Originally Posted by Russ38

Cherokee D'Ass & Pinky(just wanted to mention who those big asses belong to)

As y'all were.......

Cherokee D'Ass & Pinky(just wanted to mention who those big asses belong to)

As y'all were....... Originally Posted by kerwil62

Why am I not surprised you know that Kerwil? LMAO

Why am I not surprised you know that Kerwil? LMAO Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Shit Spice....that's ker's vehicle at the carwash!!!

Better Hope They Don't Fart That Would Fog The Windows Up

Better Hope They Don't Fart That Would Fog The Windows Up Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe

Wait women fart????

OP I came across this many times as well when I did FBSM only. If you offer extra services set your rate for those services and be clear there is no GFE and only an hj in your base rate. I charged 140 for the hour, I let them know it only included hj and I was either in a thong or completely nude. Some thought this was steep but I did very, very well. I was clear my rate did not include any GFE activities and if they wanted that it would be a different rate. Rarely did FS though until I started transitioning to GFE only. I quickly realized no one really wanted me to give them a massage! Maybe transitioning to GFE fully is an option for you?

Now that you are off of bp (I assume you are) and on Eccie you have a bit more freedom to discuss your services before the client books a session with you. Be clear what you are willing and not willing to do before they book so they know exactly what to expect and do not leave dissatisfied. A small percentage of clients will never be content with your service no matter how hard you try. Any client who doesn't respect your wishes after it was explained beforehand isn't someone you want back anyway.

I believe that in FBSM the client is paying for a service so there is only so much you are obligated to provide and in GFE sessions they pay for our time so the possibilities are endless. I only did FBSM two months though but that is my 2 cents!

OP I came across this many times as well when I did FBSM only. If you offer extra services set your rate for those services and be clear there is no GFE and only an hj in your base rate. I charged 140 for the hour, I let them know it only included hj and I was either in a thong or completely nude. Some thought this was steep but I did very, very well. I was clear my rate did not include any GFE activities and if they wanted that it would be a different rate. Rarely did FS though until I started transitioning to GFE only. I quickly realized no one really wanted me to give them a massage! Maybe transitioning to GFE fully is an option for you?

Now that you are off of bp (I assume you are) and on Eccie you have a bit more freedom to discuss your services before the client books a session with you. Be clear what you are willing and not willing to do before they book so they know exactly what to expect and do not leave dissatisfied. A small percentage of clients will never be content with your service no matter how hard you try. Any client who doesn't respect your wishes after it was explained beforehand isn't someone you want back anyway.

I believe that in FBSM the client is paying for a service so there is only so much you are obligated to provide and in GFE sessions they pay for our time so the possibilities are endless. I only did FBSM two months though but that is my 2 cents! Originally Posted by Kylie Nicole

thank you well said

Wait women fart???? Originally Posted by hot97honda

Everyone Farts duh but I Eat Rainbows & Poop Out Butterflies! ijs

Everyone Farts duh but I Eat Rainbows & Poop Out Butterflies! ijs Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe

Well of course you do. I would not expect anything less

Before I moved to Houston, I started on a board similar to this one but is mainly in the NE part of the US. I'm pretty detailed about what I offer and stick to it. Some ladies will advertise a body rub but then not give a body rub at all, its straight FS. I had a client contact me up north off the other site (Indy.com) and he walks in, gets naked and on to my massage table...turns around and looks at me and says "Your the first provider to actually give me what she advertises."

My point being is....if ladies advertise for something but then do something completely different. How are men supposed to know what the hell they are getting unless they ask?

I have done a few "just FBM" for women and men @60/hr. But the norm is 120-150/hr for typically a bbbj but some providers will only do hj. So if you are charging 120 and not giving any type of a HE...Why would a guy come see you when he could go to a legit spa for 40-60/hr.

Why not charge a bit more and put that money into leasing a nicer suite with a shower?

Why am I not surprised you know that Kerwil? LMAO Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Shit Spice....that's ker's vehicle at the carwash!!! Originally Posted by Russ38

LMAO!!!!!

I'm not so sure about that. I can't speak for any other mongers here, but if I schedule a 1 Hr (1/2 Hr isn't long enough for a good massage IMO) FBSM, I'm assuming there is a L1 HE. Nothing more, nothing less is expected or assumed. Well, the quality of the massage is important to me as well. Nor do I feel a tip should be required for a HJ HE and a decent massage at 120/Hr unless it is warranted after services are provided and feel it was over the top good. But, I'd guess that the majority of us mongers are expecting a L1 HE when it comes to a FBSM. Otherwise, advertise just a FBM and leave the Sensual part out of it. If I only wanted a FBM by a legit LMT I wouldn't be looking for it here. Originally Posted by FBSMLUVR

Adding on to what FBSMLUVR has to say..........I have gotten LOTS of massages, both of the LMT quality and the "rubby dub" type with HE over quite a few years now. The buck twenty for an hour FBSM is standard...L1, that is the rate. Its a buck twenty an hour, which is pretty darn good for ones time if ya ask me. No tip is necessary, but I do tip sometimes. It certainly is not wrong to expect more, but that does not mean that one is going to get more. And taking out ill feelings that you may have about the rate on your customers is counter productive.

If it helps, consider this, for less than a buck an LMT quality massage can be had for an hour, with a HE in many instances once one gets to know the licensed massage professional. They give a "real" massage, and are kind enough to provide a "release" at the end. Keeps their regulars "happy". Doesn't happen all the time, but it certainly does happen.

I think the problem develops when someone tries to thread the needle, so to speak. Sensual massage, with upsell after the fact, with very squishy boundaries. I also don't think that a FBSM, even one that morphs into full-tilt-boogie-fun is on the order of a session that is strictly geared for FS.......the FS is a very small aspect of the session if the massage is decent, so it is different. But this is just my thoughts on the matter, nothing more or less.

Anyone is certainly entitled to charge whatever they want for their time. Figuring out where one is comfortable with compensation for their individual time, expertiese and services in any market is always difficult. In the end, the entrepeneur needs to be able to figure out a price point that they and their customers are comfortable with.

I think some exceptionally good professional advice has been offered on this thread.

"BoB"

Having a shower at the incall has been mentioned in regards to the issue that has been raised. Two of the ladies that I visited with, off and on, for massage for almost a decade had shower facilities at their place of bidness. I always quickly showered off before and after a massage.

What I did not do, nor will I, was consider the shower time (as long as I was alone) part of the session. Neither of the ladies ever started the clock ticking until a customer was on the table. It was how they conducted their business and both made a pretty good, consistent living with a solid client base. Unfortunately, for me, lolololol,because of their good bidness practices they have both truly retired and have moved on to other places.

"BoB"