All of those are very good points if you.........
I don't even know what to say to someone like you.
Either you believe all that bullshit and are sitting in your parent's basement wondering which of the 12 teeth you have left will fall out or you are playing with the wrong kids and don't have the balls to call out your friends when they get stupid on you and on our country.
Thanks for helping the national dialog.
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
i took you off ignore to see what you had to say. so i am assuming you do not approve of the US decision, for mostly geopolitical reasons, and some purely military reasons, to use the atomic weapons?
you realize, that had we not used atomic weapons to bring the war to an end, not only would we have had to invade Japan, at great cost, but that the USSR would have gained control of all of China? We had been urging the USSR to start an invasion of Japanese held territory, mainly their holdings in China. Japan itself was out of reach of the USSR, because they had no Navy to speak of. but they easily could have moved into China, and as they did in Europe, kept it.
while it was tactically correct to have the USSR attack Japan, it would have been a geopolitical mistake to allow them to occupy China. they would have kept it.
of course, Stalin was reluctant to commit, mainly because of his blood-lust to destroy Germany, and Hitler. both of them knew one or the other would betray their non-aggression pact. that it was Hitler matters not. that was an agreement neither party meant to uphold. it was only meant to buy Germany time to prepare to invade the USSR.
ironically, Germany invited the USSR's brutal response to operation Barbarossa. the majority of Russians hated Stalin due to his repressive and brutal suppression, sending millions to their deaths in gulags. had Germany not invoked a philosophy of "scored earth", many Russians would likely have sided with Germany against Stalin. once it was clear Hitler would kill them all anyway, what choice did they have but to fight to the bitter end for "Mother Russia" if not for Stalin himself? none.
many people claim the US committed "war crimes" by bombing civilian targets. one of the reasons to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki was purely scientific. of course they had no significant Military value, except some small naval presence that is. if they had, we'd already have bombed them.
we wanted to know the atomic bomb's true power of devastation. a pure, previously untouched target was required to know that. that was the desire of both the military and those sanctimonious scientists who of course later decried the use of the very weapon they developed.
Did the USSR commit war crimes in their vengeance while invading Germany. Yes. did Japan in their treatment of prisoners of war? Yes. (Bataan death march, use of both asain and non-asain women as forced whores for the Japanese Army) did Germany? Absolutely. they attempted to exterminate an entire ethnic race, the Jews. possibly the single
most egregious act in human history and given the long history of killing each other, that's saying something. how ironic that we certainly know today that Hitler himself had Jewish blood? so much for being the leader of a pure Aryan race eh?
he would have been the first one they should have exterminated. ironic isn't it?
but Hitler knew this perfectly well and in part annexed Austria to suppress the truth of his blood line.
did Britain commit war crimes? you could say so, given that Churchill had to decide at times
not to act on intelligence obtained from the fact they had broken the German enigma code, and thus allowing British soldiers to die.
Did Italy? given Mussolini's brutal reign and suppression of dissent of his own people, you could say so.
did the French? absolutely! why do people say "The French are the whores of the world?" .. ahahaha. because the Vichy French crawled in bed with the Nazis thinking it would somehow save them, by sacrificing some of their own.
so .. did each major player both axis and allied commit "war crimes" in order to win? yes, you could say that.
but someone had to win, and we did. and we did whatever was required to do so. if that's a war crime then all major nations involved in WWII are guilty of it and
unless all of us mutually apologize, none of us should.