Mass Shooting in Orlando

And what of the millions of Muslims who were born in this country and the Muslims who have served and fought for this country? What about them? Also what about the Muslims in Afghanistan who have helped American troops against the Taliban at great risk to their own lives? We have our own religious fanatics in this country (does Westboro Baptist Church ring any bells?)

Fanaticism is fanaticism, no matter the reason. And taking it out on a race, a religion or other generalized category because of the actions of a few (relatively speaking), is against everything that this country was founded for. People are responsible for their actions, not guns, nor religion. Originally Posted by Tx Noob

Already discussed this. Repeating yourself doesn't change that Muslims suck.

hey Luke. When was the last time you heard of Jews or people in Israel chopping off heads, mutilating pregnant women, raping people and so on, like the OT states? When was the last time you see Barbarism like you do with Muslims?

I already said I don't agree with Jews, however, considering they don't go around doing said things, there's nothing to really denounce.

Jesus didn't practice Judaism. Jesus actually condemned Jewish pharisees. Again, READ. Originally Posted by Aoi

I get a kick out of guys on this site who rush to promote their religious beliefs and call someones else faith evil, yet they are on a whore board. LMFAO- did you go to church today AOI? Does your pastor know you are on a whore board? Yeah I am on here too, but I am not criticizing other people's faiths and promoting my religion like you are- well I guess you just ask for forgiveness every time you visit the Spas, Do you know what Jesus meant went he said the following: And why behold you the speck that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? He was referring to hypocrites like you- you want to call other people evil yet your life is not so perfect either -now back on topic.

You dumb ignorant fuck- that's the reason why many Phairesses didn't like him- Jesus clearly followed Jewish law and customs- First of all- where did Jesus allow people to eat pork- quote the exact verse please. He didn't allow people to stone people because the accusers were sinners also- remember Jesus saying."He who is amongst you cast the first stone...." He basically were telling the people go ahead and stone her, but let the person among you who is not also a sinner throw the first stone.
Matthew to Revelation is not Christianity- in fact Christianity doesn't start until Acts- Christianity is basically the epistles and teachings of the Apostle Paul- which is the main reason why you have the split between Catholics and Protestants-the majority of what Christians follow come from Paul's teachings. Go back to Sunday School pal. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Wrong, Jesus did not follow Jewish law and customs. The pharisees were routinely challenging Jesus based on their Jewish traditions. And every time, Jesus made them look like idiots. There were numerous things that they considered unclean because of their belief. Jesus forgave all of that.

Jesus was a Jew, but Jesus did not follow Jewish customs. How many Jews hung out with tax collectors? How many Jews allowed to work on the Sabbath? How many Jews went down and slummed with the people who were considered dirty. None.

http://www.jerusalemperspective.com/4572/

Jesus did not allow stoning Mary. He simply called them on their bullshit. It was never an authorization to actually do it.

Of course, none of this matters, because Jesus didn't tell people to chop off heads. Muhommed did.

And you're right, Jesus didn't call His belief "Christianity." He simply streamlined Judaism into something more accessible and, oh yeah, being the Son of God and all that, completed. Again, you don't know shit about religion.

Sunday school is pointless because it doesn't teach you what other beliefs are.

I get a kick out ofguys on this site who rush to promote their religious beliefs and call someones else faith evil, yet they are on a whore board. LMFAO- did you go to church today AOI? Does your pastor know you are on a whore board? Yeah I am on here too, but I am not coding other people's faiths and promoting my religion like you are- well I guess you just ask for forgiveness every time you visit the Spas, but now back on topic. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Wrong. Even if one isn't a religious, it doesn't change the facts that there are clear-cut differences between religions and cultures.

This is all intellectual information for you, not religious. I'm correcting you because you are creating a moral equivalency between Muslims and everyone else.

You don't have to be a Christian to acknowledge that Islam is an evil religion. You just have to watch the news, read a few pages of information and actually educate yourself to see why I'm right. Let's not try and create a straw man, Luke!

You must be running out of arguments if you have to make this about me. This isn't about me. This is about what's going on right now, on a Geo-political scale.

Try again. I have nothing to do until Game of Thrones comes on.

He was referring to hypocrites like you- you want to call other people evil yet your life is not so perfect either -[/COLOR]now back on topic. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Oh right. Because, you know, hobbying is just as evil as killing gay people, chopping off heads, burning people alive and treating everyone else like shit, right?

I love your moral relativism.

You want to know what Jesus also did? Call bullshit, bullshit.

But you're right. Let's get back on topic.

Ban all Muslims.

Oh right. Because, you know, hobbying is just as evil as killing gay people, chopping off heads, burning people alive and treating everyone else like shit, right?

I love your moral relativism.

You want to know what Jesus also did? Call bullshit, bullshit. Originally Posted by Aoi

Maybe if all muslims are even 50 percents of muslims were doing things you are saying then you would have a point- but islam has been around for thousands of years- you act as if all muslims share in that ideology and the best you have is a few verses from the Koran and when I point out verses from the bible you say oh that was from the OT- which last I check the Bible consist of the OT and NT. Yet you don't want to call Judaism a violent religion- you want to pick and choose. How do you classify Dylan Roof- in fact there are pics of Dylan Roof burning the American flag- but you don't want to call him a terrorist?http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...manifesto.html

I am pretty sure there was a discussion on Dylan Roof- did you comment on that topic?

AOI so you must not be a constitutionalist and you must want to change the constitution because in order to ban muslims we must change the constitution that gives us all religious freedoms.

Already discussed this. Repeating yourself doesn't change that Muslims suck. Originally Posted by Aoi

It was a double post. Didn't mean to post it twice.

I understand what you're saying, and I understand your point that Islam is not a race. And I am completely aware of the fact that there are millions of Muslims who live in the Middle East that would love to come over here and do the same thing in the name of Allah. But you can't discount the fact that there a lot of people over here that would have loved to have done the same thing as well just because the customers were gay.

The point I was trying to make is that you can't blame a religion over the actions of a minority within that religion. Everything I've seen on the news about this guy indicates that he took this action upon himself as a way to get associate with ISIS. It looks like this guy was born in New York, and I haven't seen anything that indicates he ever went abroad. If I missed any facts that have reported otherwise, please post them.

Even if this attack was sanctioned by ISIS, let's not forget that Isis is not represenative of Islam any more than Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the PLO, or whatever Islamic terrorist group happens to dominate the news at the present time is. These are people that are fanatics and if we can keep them out of the country so much the better. But we cannot condemn Islam because of these groups. They're thugs plain and simple. And the only thing thugs understand is violence and fear. the Lord everyday

I thank the Lord everyday that I was born and live in the United States of America with the freedoms that are not enjoyed in a lot of other places around the world, yet are often taken for granted here.

Maybe if all muslims are even 50 percents of muslims were doing things you are saying then you would have a point- but islam has been around for thousands of years- you act as if all muslims share in that ideology and the best you have is a few verses from the Koran and when I point out verses from the bible you say oh that was from the OT- which last I check the Bible consist of the OT and NT. Yet you don't want to call Judaism a violent religion- you want to pick and choose. How do you classify Dylan Roof- in fact there are pics of Dylan Roof burning the American flag- but you don't want to call him a terrorist?http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...manifesto.html

I am pretty sure there was a discussion on Dylan Roof- did you comment on that topic? Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

The majority of Muslims believe coming in that Sharia law should be the absolute law of the land. You also understand that in EU, women are literally being raped on the streets by Muslim migrants, right? You do realize that the majority of people in Germany absolute hate that bitch Angela Merkel because she is allowing Migrants to just walk into Germany and do terrible shit, right?

I never denied that Judaism was a violent religion.

And again, the last time I checked, I don't see Jews chopping off heads like Muslims are STILL doing. How many times do you hear of Jews, by scripture law, taking the baby out of a womb?

It's also not about picking and choosing. It's acknowledging that one set of beliefs supersedes the others. You seem to not be able to understand this.

Dylan Roof was a terrorist. I never said terrorism and Muslim are linked together. You keep putting words into my mouth.

Your argument :

"Hey, that Muslim guy, backed by an evil Muslim organization, and an evil religion, fucked up, but LOOK AT DYLAN ROOF HE IS BAD TOO."

AOI so you must not be a constitutionalist and you must want to change the constitution because in order to ban muslims we must change the constitution that gives us all religious freedoms. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

The Constitution only applies to US CITIZENS.

The Constitution doesn't protect migrants.

hey Luke. When was the last time you heard of Jews or people in Israel chopping off heads, mutilating pregnant women, raping people and so on, like the OT states? When was the last time you see Barbarism like you do with Muslims?

I already said I don't agree with Jews, however, considering they don't go around doing said things, there's nothing to really denounce.

Jesus didn't practice Judaism. Jesus actually condemned Jewish pharisees. Again, READ. Originally Posted by Aoi

I don't know about Luke, but I remember reading about a group of fanatics who overthrew a government and murdered, mutilated, and raped millions of people because of their beliefs. And I'm not talking about the Nazis either.

Like I said in an earlier post; thugs are thugs plain and simple.

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I understand what you're saying, and I understand your point that Islam is not a race. And I am completely aware of the fact that there are millions of Muslims who live in the Middle East that would love to come over here and do the same thing in the name of Allah.

Yes and they should never step foot in America or they should get their fucking heads blown off.

But you can't discount the fact that there a lot of people over here that would have loved to have done the same thing as well just because the customers were gay.

They didn't. And that's what matters.

The point I was trying to make is that you can't blame a religion over the actions of a minority within that religion.

I can when the religion tells people to do it.

Everything I've seen on the news about this guy indicates that he took this action upon himself as a way to get associate with ISIS. It looks like this guy was born in New York, and I haven't seen anything that indicates he ever went abroad. If I missed any facts that have reported otherwise, please post them.

He was shown to harbor terrorist ideas and opinions and was on the FBI watch list. People he worked with acknowledged this.

Even if this attack was sanctioned by ISIS, let's not forget that Isis is not represenative of Islam any more than Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, the PLO, or whatever Islamic terrorist group happens to dominate the news at the present time is.

I don't care what the representative is. It's something America is too chicken to deal with because they don't want to acknowledge that yes, ISIS IS following Islam. Stop trying to fucking separating them. You tell me now to put them altogether but you seem to unwilling to acknowledge that this is still a religion that has this in their scriptures? Why do you get to pick and choose?

These are people that are fanatics and if we can keep them out of the country so much the better. But we cannot condemn Islam because of these groups. They're thugs plain and simple. And the only thing thugs understand is violence and fear. the Lord everyday

They are fanatics BECAUSE their religion tells them to be. And I absolutely fucking condemn Islam. Do you even know what Sharia law consists of?

I thank the Lord everyday that I was born and live in the United States of America with the freedoms that are not enjoyed in a lot of other places around the world, yet are often taken for granted here.

And Muslims hate that we have these freedoms.

Stop trying to disassociate ISIS with Islam. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PHD in Islamic studies. I'm pretty sure he knows it better than you do. And he's okay to burn people alive.

The Constitution only applies to US CITIZENS.

The Constitution doesn't protect migrants. Originally Posted by Aoi

Then you wasted all this time- the topic was about the Orlando shooter who was a U.S Citizen- you say BAN muslims- the shooter wasn't a migrant or a refugee but a citizen with the same rights as you and I- so let me ask you this one more time- how would a ban on muslims have prevented this from happening? The DC sniper was a muslim too, but a U.S citizen.
Are you saying Ban muslims even those who are U.S citizens? There are about 3.3 million muslims should we round them up and identify them like Ted Cruz proposed or dare I go further like Hitler did with the Jews?
Also, how could you theoretically ban muslims can you tell a Syrian Christian from a Syrian Muslim by just looking at them?

Then you wasted all this time- the topic was about the Orlando shooter who was a U.S Citizen- you say BAN muslims- the shooter wasn't a migrant or a refugee but a citizen with the same rights as you and I- so let me ask you this one more time- how would a ban on muslims have prevented this from happening? The DC sniper was a muslim too, but a U.S citizen.
Are you saying Ban muslims even those who are U.S citizens? There are about 3.3 million muslims should we round them up and identify them like Ted Cruz proposed or dare I go further like Hitler did with the Jews?
Also, how could you theoretically ban muslims can you tell a Syrian Christian from a Syrian Muslim by just looking at them? Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Did you not read the part where I said this incident and banning Muslims are not mutually exclusive?

I said we should ban Muslims to prevent MORE from coming in. We probably already have Muslims who hate America living here right now. Why the fuck would we want to bring in more physical bodies?

How do you ban US citizens? You do understand I'm talking about MIGRANTS, right?

Nobody from Syria should be here. They can all stay there. Fuck them all.

For FUCKS SAKE, learn how to read!

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Yes and they should never step foot in America or they should get their fucking heads blown off.




They didn't. And that's what matters.




I can when the religion tells people to do it.



He was shown to harbor terrorist ideas and opinions and was on the FBI watch list. People he worked with acknowledged this.




I don't care what the representative is. It's something America is too chicken to deal with because they don't want to acknowledge that yes, ISIS IS following Islam. Stop trying to fucking separating them. You tell me now to put them altogether but you seem to unwilling to acknowledge that this is still a religion that has this in their scriptures? Why do you get to pick and choose?




They are fanatics BECAUSE their religion tells them to be. And I absolutely fucking condemn Islam. Do you even know what Sharia law consists of?




And Muslims hate that we have these freedoms.

Stop trying to disassociate ISIS with Islam. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PHD in Islamic studies. I'm pretty sure he knows it better than you do. And he's okay to burn people alive. Originally Posted by Tx Noob

AOI please quote the verse in the Quran that tells all muslims to kill infidels, because I am going to once and for all shut your mouth because that verse or sura is taking way out of context and doesn't say what you falsely accuse it of saying- do you realize there are Christians living in nearly all Middle Eastern countries? they would be wiped out if the verse said what you falsely stated- so please quote the verse and then it's time I take you to school and show your ignorance

I'll be waiting!!!