So You Want to "Arm" Teachers?

No their not. They're in the classroom teaching. If and when they hear shots fired their weapon can be pulled and a round chambered. Originally Posted by Budman

A major problem with your scenario it is TOTALLY dependent on THAT teacher being the 2nd or 3rd teacher to be confronted with a shooter and you are ALSO assuming that "they hear shots fired" after shots are being fired.

Like a lot of other unrealistic scenarios proposed on here it assumes a "best case scenario" and when one is planning to address safety and security issues one does not "assume" a "best case scenario" when instituting a security plan. That was 911! It was also the Florida shooting and just about every other school massacre. I would venture to say every multiple shooting massacre.

Have you EVER talked to a law enforcement officer who went around on duty with an empty chamber in his duty weapon? Have you ever even heard of one doing such a dumb thing?

Lex you're suggestion should make Trumps voters happy. We will become an autocratic government! The Russian Putin lover in you is showing Originally Posted by themystic

Contrary to your desires, I am not a fan of Obaminable or HillariousNoMore ... even though I am a Democrat ....

If you are eligible for welfare you would be a citizen. Therefore the Constitution does apply to you. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution

As for the second amendment, Most people do not feel like teachers having guns is within being a well regulated militia.

Here is a good way of looking at it though. keep in mind it is all part of the definition not just the latter part.


The comma instead of a period imply's the former is a prerequisite. Originally Posted by MT Pockets

I think the word "Militia" trips people up. Who makes up the Militia, people do. All American citizens in part make up the Militia. The 2nd Amendment clearly states the "Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall Not Be Infringed". Now as far as teachers arming themselves in school, that could work. The problem with that is in todays screwed up society most teachers are mentally ill Liberals that teach children liberal bullshit. So that just puts guns in the hands of the mentally ill which is what we are suppose to be avoiding.

Jim

Contrary to your desires, I am not a fan of Obaminable or HillariousNoMore ... even though I am a Democrat ....

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Big Obama fan. Hillary not so much

Obama inherited a GIANT fucked up Bush mess. Whether you give him credit or not, the positive turn around happen on his watch

I think the word "Militia" trips people up. Who makes up the Militia, people do. All American citizens in part make up the Militia. The 2nd Amendment clearly states the "Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall Not Be Infringed". Now as far as teachers arming themselves in school, that could work. The problem with that is in todays screwed up society most teachers are mentally ill Liberals that teach children liberal bullshit. So that just puts guns in the hands of the mentally ill which is what we are suppose to be avoiding.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

"Cross training" is about like cross-dressing. Hoover did both, but that's about the last person I know who did successfully.

Arming teachers is not a solution. Keeping would be shooters away from school property or other places where students and faculty may be is THE SOLUTION.

We do it government buildings, the Capitol, the White House, and airports. We don't arm the flight attendants, ticket agents or gate attendants at airports as a first line of defense. We also don't arm the Senators or Representatives to stop intruders or court reporters, clerks, and other court personnel as a "first line of defense." So why do we put our children at risk with foolishness?

Big Obama fan. Hillary not so much

Obama inherited a GIANT fucked up Bush mess. Originally Posted by themystic

And Bush "inherited a GIANT fucked up" Clinton mess! So?

Trump "inherited a GIANT fucked up" Obaminable mess!

Obaminable spent 8 years kicking cans down the road!



Speaking of "cans" ... he should have canned the one on the right.

But Kerry was worse.

(Don't even bother to respond to your drivel!")

And Bush "inherited a GIANT fucked up" Originally Posted by LexusLover

Seems like Bush inherited a strong dollar and a kinda sorta balanced budget.

Obama, not so much.

Trump inherited a strong economy , let's see how long it last. Won't be long if there is a trade war!

Seems like Bush inherited a strong dollar and a kinda sorta balanced budget.

Obama, not so much.

Trump inherited a strong economy , let's see how long it last. Won't be long if there is a trade war! Originally Posted by WTF

Clinton's deficit was a myth. You can't have a deficit when the economy is based on debt.


Jim

A major problem with your scenario it is TOTALLY dependent on THAT teacher being the 2nd or 3rd teacher to be confronted with a shooter and you are ALSO assuming that "they hear shots fired" after shots are being fired.

Like a lot of other unrealistic scenarios proposed on here it assumes a "best case scenario" and when one is planning to address safety and security issues one does not "assume" a "best case scenario" when instituting a security plan. That was 911! It was also the Florida shooting and just about every other school massacre. I would venture to say every multiple shooting massacre.

Have you EVER talked to a law enforcement officer who went around on duty with an empty chamber in his duty weapon? Have you ever even heard of one doing such a dumb thing? Originally Posted by LexusLover

We can all come up with scenarios that support our viewpoint. Protecting schools like we do airports or government buildings is unrealistic do to the numbers. There are 19 school districts in Bexar county alone. This doesn't count universities or private schools. Expanding this number over the entire country makes it unfeasible to protect these institutions like an airport. Airport security is there to prevent weapons from getting onto a plane not to prevent mass killings prior to the checkpoint. Arming teachers may not prevent all school shootings but it will most likely limit the casualties. Carrying a weapon does not guarantee a positive outcome if confronted by a criminal with intent to kill but it does give you a better chance of survival.

"Cross training" is about like cross-dressing. Hoover did both, but that's about the last person I know who did successfully.

Arming teachers is not a solution. Keeping would be shooters away from school property or other places where students and faculty may be is THE SOLUTION.

We do it government buildings, the Capitol, the White House, and airports. We don't arm the flight attendants, ticket agents or gate attendants at airports as a first line of defense. We also don't arm the Senators or Representatives to stop intruders or court reporters, clerks, and other court personnel as a "first line of defense." So why do we put our children at risk with foolishness? Originally Posted by LexusLover

You're right no reason to put kids at risk. It's a shame we have armed uniform security in schools today. The world we live in has become totally deranged and it has nothing to do with Guns or even Mental Illness.


Jim

Airport security is there to prevent weapons from getting onto a plane not to prevent mass killings prior to the checkpoint. Arming teachers may not prevent all school shootings but it will most likely limit the casualties. Carrying a weapon does not guarantee a positive outcome if confronted by a criminal with intent to kill but it does give you a better chance of survival. Originally Posted by Budman

Is this your "scenario" to support your point of view?

Now, why do we not want weapons on airplanes?



Oh, yea, now I remember!

I suppose what I'm trying to figure out is why we want to take some pansy, wimp Liberal and strap them up with a "gun" they don't like in the first place and spend a shit load of money training them to use the WEAPON in a school building without too much "collateral damage" ... when ... and you want to make sure that none of their firearms have a round in the chamber and your equal pro-teacher partner on here wants to lock the trigger so if it is STOLEN from the teacher while she has it lying around her desk ... the little turds can't shoot someone with it THAT DAY ... UNLESS OF COURSE they hold down the teacher and force her pinky onto the "BIOMETRIC" BUTTON!!!!! before they shoot his or her ass with it!

we can install metal detectors and QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS who need some additional training in how to talk to little smart ass turds whose parents didn't teach them any better to PREVENT mass shooters from coming onto the property and/or inside the building.

Not because of the 2nd Amendment I'm sure!

Sir: YOU CAN SECURE A SCHOOL at the perimeter. It may cause some "anxiety" to see all those mean looking people and all that equipment that makes funny noises ... BUT .... by the time they become adults they will accept airport et al security and not whine and bitch about it ...

.... they'll also more than likely not have the enlightening and rewarding experience of seeing their best friends guts strewn all over the floor where there stomach was shredded open by semi-auto weapon fire and slip down in their shit that came out from relaxing ass muscles when they died.

But arm the teachers!

BTW Have you found any LE officers on duty with an empty chamber yet?

You're right no reason to put kids at risk.

Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You know what puts them at risk? "Agendas"!

I keep bringing this up because it's relevant to "Agendas"!

It's also relevant to how "problems" are "addressed" by our so called "government" ....

Al Gore's 1996 aircraft safety report to Monica's squeeze!

You can look it up ...

..... read the recommendations ...

..... then think "911"!



Some porn star bimbo will surface claiming Trump squeezed her overstuffed tits ... and public school safety will be on the back burner ... until another "mass shooting"!

Protecting schools like we do airports or government buildings is unrealistic do to the numbers. There are 19 school districts in Bexar county alone. This doesn't count universities or private schools. Originally Posted by Budman

Sir, I'm quite acquainted with S.A. and schools in S.A.

Let's just start with San Antonio Independent School District:

What tha fuck do these folks do ..?

https://www.saisd.net/main/index.php...=5676&Itemid=0

University of Texas at SA
St. Mary's University
San Antonio Community College

Continuing public schools ...

Harlandale ISD ..

http://www.harlandale.net/department...istrict_police

When I taught there we didn't even have fucking AC in the classrooms!!!! Had to get PTA to buy FANS for the rooms ... ripe on Wednesday afternoon after Mexican Food Day!!! No PD department. On campus it was the male teachers (not all!) and the coaches who dealt with the shit. Unarmed!

But the HISD Administration Building had AC and a new building! $$$$$$$$

Do some background on all this cost shit you mention ... how much is a student worth? Even in the Harlandale ISD?

Since you're so familiar with "Bexar County" schools .... Was HISD one of those rich schools like the one in Florida? I had weapons check in my classes as they came in the door ... pat downs and shit goes in the box (at the end of the day they could back and pick up their shit so they could get home!) ... they put the "bad turds" in my classes ... shuffled at the beginning of the year ....

.... don't talk to me about teachers and "safety" ..

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with "money"!!! It's parents and the fucking Liberals who have created a day care nursery environment with "feel good" undisciplined bullshit ... I ran boot camp the first six weeks ... today you can't even say "damn" and you're done if you put your hands on one even if they try to knock the shit out of you!

Here's a list of public school PDs in Texas ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._(K%E2%80%9312)

Sheriff's assign officers and small towns assign their officers in addition to the school district that have a stand alone police force. I haven't been on a college campus that didn't have cops on it in Texas.

All this hand wringing and fretting is a bunch of bullshit.

Not that perspective or critical thinking matters these days, but uhmmm... in Sandy Hook and Parkland an AR15 was reportedly used. First of all, those things are about 30 inches long and weigh about 9 lbs, typically. Plus, they are kinda bulky overall, especially when fitted up with extra hardware. So how the heck did either of them waltz across the school grounds, up to a door, through the lobby, into a hallway without being noticed?

Almost forgot, in Sandy Hook they had an airlock entry system. Kinda like some banks overseas. Where you walk into a vestibule area, they lock the door behind you before unlocking the door in front of you to enter, after screening you in between - either though intercom or visually. I think in Sandy Hook it may have been via a window/counter in the vestibule area.

So before anyone starts yammering on about spending untold gobs-o-tax-payer_moolah for the security standards needed, think if even basic precautions could be used more effectively. We know both schools had video monitors in place.

In pursuit of basic precautions, arming teachers is NOT a good solution. However, disarming armed and trained teachers and placing them in a gun-free zone is far worse.

Frankly, and this is the hard part for some minds to grasp; many realize that public schools are indoctrination camps for kiddies. I'm just stating it frankly. So what is the ultimate outcome of putting in place a total lock-down mentality with obtrusive security? Ultimately, the little urchins are conditioned to accept it as part of normal daily occurrence - being corralled, shook down, patted down, magnetometerized and herded into locked rooms within a locked building with small, bullet proof windows up high. All the while with them not actually knowing that this methodology is just like the way prisons are managed.

That will make life in a FEMA camp seem almost normal and civilized in their future world.

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In pursuit of basic precautions, arming teachers is NOT a good solution. However, disarming armed and trained teachers and placing them in a gun-free zone is far worse.

So what is the ultimate outcome of putting in place a total lock-down mentality with obtrusive security? Ultimately, the little urchins are conditioned to accept it as part of normal daily occurrence - being corralled, shook down, patted down, magnetometerized and herded into locked rooms within a locked building with small, bullet proof windows up high. All the while with them not actually knowing that this methodology is just like the way prisons are managed.

That will make life in a FEMA camp seem almost normal and civilized in their future world. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Your comments about traumatizing "kiddies" in school by security measures .. is the same argument used against security measures in school by the Liberals....until there is a massacre. Unfortunately, the "kiddies" need to get acclimated to security around them ... recreational events, work places, and travel.

That's the world we now have and it won't get any better in their lifetimes. It's becoming a fact of life .. and with all due respect it has seemed from the media reporting the past year or so ... the hostile environment is being aggravated by the very same people who are criticizing security measures ....



Is someone mentioning "guns of war"?



What do you expect?