308, is pretty expensive ammo to fire Willy nilly . Which is why I own AR 15 and AK47.I just got ammo for a .444 Marlin. Now, that is expensive ammo.
I paid over 3 dollars a round for 10 MM with a claimed 2700 plus M V. They will reach out and touch an object quickly. Originally Posted by oilfieldace
- the_real_Barleycorn
- 07-05-2022, 01:45 PM
- the_real_Barleycorn
- 07-05-2022, 01:46 PM
So, if a state is not free then you don't need (or you don't want) a militia. I see where you're coming from even if you don't.
- VitaMan
- 07-05-2022, 03:40 PM
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
- Levianon17
- 07-05-2022, 04:02 PM
- VitaMan
- 07-05-2022, 04:29 PM
Please.....you do this so many times.
You have the whole thing completely backwards.
You have the whole thing completely backwards.
- Levianon17
- 07-05-2022, 05:54 PM
- VitaMan
- 07-05-2022, 07:28 PM
Let's make this simple.
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
....nowhere do the words tyrannical or government appear
....apparently you are able to interpret the wording
That would make you a world class Constitutional scholar......which you're not.
Bonus: if you can interpret the wording, then anyone can come up with their own interpretation of the 2nd Amendment
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
....nowhere do the words tyrannical or government appear
....apparently you are able to interpret the wording
That would make you a world class Constitutional scholar......which you're not.
Bonus: if you can interpret the wording, then anyone can come up with their own interpretation of the 2nd Amendment
- Jacuzzme
- 07-05-2022, 08:18 PM
Then again, the Supreme Court is, and it agrees with Lev. So there’s that.
The founders had already made it perfectly clear what they thought about government overreach, like 10ish years before the constitution was penned.
The founders had already made it perfectly clear what they thought about government overreach, like 10ish years before the constitution was penned.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.No mincing of words there.
- Jacuzzme
- 07-05-2022, 08:26 PM
My AR fires both 5.56 or 223 so if they ban the AR wouldn’t they have to ban the Mini 14 another semi automatic that fires the same ammo? Originally Posted by oilfieldaceAnything chambered for 556 can shoot 223, just not the other way around. It’s kinda dumb to buy a 223 chambered ar, imo. If the shit ever hits the fan there’ll be an assload if 556 around, and you’re asking for trouble putting it through a 223 rifle.
- Yssup Rider
- 07-05-2022, 08:50 PM
What would constitute the shit hitting the fan enough for you to start killing people?
- Austin Ellen
- 07-05-2022, 09:09 PM
- Levianon17
- 07-05-2022, 09:18 PM
Let's make this simple.The only part of the Second Amendment you need to understand is "The Right Of The People To Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed". For some reason that seems to be up for debate. Forget about the rest for a moment an American Citizen has a right to own a Firearm.
Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
....nowhere do the words tyrannical or government appear
....apparently you are able to interpret the wording
That would make you a world class Constitutional scholar......which you're not.
Bonus: if you can interpret the wording, then anyone can come up with their own interpretation of the 2nd Amendment Originally Posted by VitaMan
- Jacuzzme
- 07-05-2022, 09:29 PM
What would constitute the shit hitting the fan enough for you to start killing people? Originally Posted by Yssup RiderAll it would take is the power grid going down for a sustained period for people to start killing each other. Societies have fallen into chaos for 50,000 years, don’t think it can’t happen again.
- dilbert firestorm
- 07-06-2022, 12:40 AM
guess what... Nigerian govt. has allowed its citizens to arm up to protect themselves from the belligerents.
this is why we have a 2nd amendment.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rderous-hordes
Nigerian Governor Orders Mass Issuance Of Gun Permits To Counter Murderous Hordes
by Tyler Durden
Monday, Jun 27, 2022 - 07:55 PM
Gun permits have rarely been issued in Nigeria—but that's about to change.
In the face of rampant violence by huge gangs of heavily armed bandits, one state governor has ordered the mass issuance of gun permits to citizens desperate for a chance to protect themselves.
For over a decade, Nigerians living in the country's northwestern states have endured an endless plague of looting, kidnapping and murder at the hands of gangs and ethnic militias, which Nigerians call bandits. The violence has taken its steepest toll on the states of Zamfara and Kaduna.
The bandits operate from bases in remote forests where terrain makes offensive operations by Nigerian security forces more difficult and dangerous. In addition, "Nigeria's security forces are stretched fighting an Islamist insurgency in the northeast of the country, leaving individual states to rely on vigilante groups to tackle the bandits," reports Reuters.
In addition to the money they gain through robbery and kidnapping, the bandits also control gold mines, giving them additional resources to fund weapons purchases.
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton helped give Nigeria's murderous bandits a powerful advantage over citizens and police alike. The collapse of Libya's government after the U.S.-NATO-led regime change war boosted the flow of military weapons throughout West Africa. According to a 2016 OXFAM report, Libya's illicit arms market has enabled online purchase of rifles, heavy machine guns, rocket-launchers, anti-tank guided missiles and grenade launchers.
With government increasingly incapable of stopping the onslaught, the bandits have been emboldened. In early January, some 200 people were killed in Zamfara as bandits used violence on civilians as a form of retaliation for government airstrikes on their base. In a two-day orgy of violence, up to nine villages were attacked, with bandits shooting villagers while looting and burning their homes.
Last week, bandits attacked two churches in the neighboring Kaduna state, killing eight people and kidnapping 38.
And now, Bello Matawalle, the governor of Zamfara state, has decided his citizens deserve at least a fighting chance against formidable foes. Specifically, the governor ordered the police commissioner to issue 500 licenses in each of the state's 19 emirate subdivisions.
"Government is ready to facilitate people, especially our farmers, to secure basic weapons for defending themselves," said Ibrahim Magaji Dosara, Zamfara information commissioner.
Nigerian bandits at their base in 2021 (via Wikipedia) Perhaps betraying an affinity for gun control—even in as desperate a situation as that faced by Nigerians—Associated Press couldn't help but strike a skeptical tone: "It was not yet clear how arming citizens would help prevent the attacks; authorities have admitted that even the Nigerian police are sometimes overwhelmed during violent attacks."
The expansion of gun ownership is one of a variety of measures against the marauders. Others include the closure of gas stations in particularly dangerous areas, and a ban of motorcycles, which are integral to the bandits' modus operandi. Upwards of 300 or more motorcyclists descend on villages at once, typically with both an armed rider and an armed passenger.
"Anybody found riding a motorbike within the areas [are] considered bandits and security agencies are thereby directed to shoot such persons at sight," said Dosara.
this is why we have a 2nd amendment.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rderous-hordes
Nigerian Governor Orders Mass Issuance Of Gun Permits To Counter Murderous Hordes
by Tyler DurdenMonday, Jun 27, 2022 - 07:55 PM
Gun permits have rarely been issued in Nigeria—but that's about to change.
In the face of rampant violence by huge gangs of heavily armed bandits, one state governor has ordered the mass issuance of gun permits to citizens desperate for a chance to protect themselves.
For over a decade, Nigerians living in the country's northwestern states have endured an endless plague of looting, kidnapping and murder at the hands of gangs and ethnic militias, which Nigerians call bandits. The violence has taken its steepest toll on the states of Zamfara and Kaduna.
The bandits operate from bases in remote forests where terrain makes offensive operations by Nigerian security forces more difficult and dangerous. In addition, "Nigeria's security forces are stretched fighting an Islamist insurgency in the northeast of the country, leaving individual states to rely on vigilante groups to tackle the bandits," reports Reuters.
In addition to the money they gain through robbery and kidnapping, the bandits also control gold mines, giving them additional resources to fund weapons purchases.
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton helped give Nigeria's murderous bandits a powerful advantage over citizens and police alike. The collapse of Libya's government after the U.S.-NATO-led regime change war boosted the flow of military weapons throughout West Africa. According to a 2016 OXFAM report, Libya's illicit arms market has enabled online purchase of rifles, heavy machine guns, rocket-launchers, anti-tank guided missiles and grenade launchers.
With government increasingly incapable of stopping the onslaught, the bandits have been emboldened. In early January, some 200 people were killed in Zamfara as bandits used violence on civilians as a form of retaliation for government airstrikes on their base. In a two-day orgy of violence, up to nine villages were attacked, with bandits shooting villagers while looting and burning their homes.
Last week, bandits attacked two churches in the neighboring Kaduna state, killing eight people and kidnapping 38.
And now, Bello Matawalle, the governor of Zamfara state, has decided his citizens deserve at least a fighting chance against formidable foes. Specifically, the governor ordered the police commissioner to issue 500 licenses in each of the state's 19 emirate subdivisions.
"Government is ready to facilitate people, especially our farmers, to secure basic weapons for defending themselves," said Ibrahim Magaji Dosara, Zamfara information commissioner.
Nigerian bandits at their base in 2021 (via Wikipedia) Perhaps betraying an affinity for gun control—even in as desperate a situation as that faced by Nigerians—Associated Press couldn't help but strike a skeptical tone: "It was not yet clear how arming citizens would help prevent the attacks; authorities have admitted that even the Nigerian police are sometimes overwhelmed during violent attacks." The expansion of gun ownership is one of a variety of measures against the marauders. Others include the closure of gas stations in particularly dangerous areas, and a ban of motorcycles, which are integral to the bandits' modus operandi. Upwards of 300 or more motorcyclists descend on villages at once, typically with both an armed rider and an armed passenger.
"Anybody found riding a motorbike within the areas [are] considered bandits and security agencies are thereby directed to shoot such persons at sight," said Dosara.
- dilbert firestorm
- 07-06-2022, 12:48 AM
All it would take is the power grid going down for a sustained period for people to start killing each other. Societies have fallen into chaos for 50,000 years, don’t think it can’t happen again. Originally Posted by Jacuzzmewhere did you the 50,000 year from?
we only have written records that go back 12,000 years. Oral records are a bit sketchy.