Donation before or after?

It dawned on me then that my placement of the donation was too discrete for her to have noticed. When I pointed out the envelope to her, she was totally embarrassed. I also felt very bad to have caused the misunderstanding in the first place.

My lesson learned: There is no place for subtlety here. The act of donating should be made as clearly and deliberately as possible. Originally Posted by jackfengshui

Thank you Jack,
I have always had a lot of respect for you.

I have had the same situation happen to me.
I will add one more, this is with a provider that I have seen many times, at the end of the session, she was counting the money and told me that I was a 100 short, I looked in the envelop and there it was, LOL

I'm sure every provider I have seen can say not good things about me. And if I went to see a new to me on this board. Some would chose to turn me down. And others would see anyways. And that is good. As I have never meet the perfect provider.

So things that do not bother me are a no go for others. And some things others see as ok are a no go for me. I do like going looking for a new to me. But find I stick to a few for the WE. LOL the end is cheaper with providers. If she or I have had it with the other errr or both. Or just drift apart. There is no judge to worry about. It just ends.

I have always found it strange that I, and a very few others will give the bad points in a "yes" review. And then good points in a "NO" review. Hell the 3 I see I fight with all the time. And drifting away from all at the same time(now that's new to me). My ATF is far from perfect, yet still my AFT, as I am not perfect. duh

So I do not have a hard time with many YES reviews. But why are all perfect YES reviews for some.

BTW dirty feet does not bother me. On some its a turn on. After all, if ya running around in the woods nude. Once ya catch her, errr or she let ya. Your feet will be dirty. Others hate dirty feet.

I never TOFTT. I’m not interested in the latest BP “find”. I refuse to do travelers. I just do my homework. I only bet on sure things. I’ve only been burned once and that was when I was new to the game and actually believed E.com reviews. But I walked out so it only cost me my time. I pay up front. I leave happy. How boring.

New to the board but a 3 year hobbyist.

IMO it is all about trust. I pay upfront and don't ever even think to reneg or ask for rebate if not satisfied. I do my homework in advance and only see ladies who I believe to be trustworthy. So far so good.

"My lesson learned: There is no place for subtlety here. The act of donating should be made as clearly and deliberately as possible."(jack)


And why I hand to, or place near her. no matter if before or after. I hate the envelope as both times I did that it was mistake. Once for her the other time me. Save the envelope for snail mail. Let her see it, and count it. best for both.

A few years ago, I had been seeing a very nice,long established , well educated , beautiful provider in her late 30's at her very nice incall apartment .Both for first time as well as long time providers , I have always tried to place my donation in a visible location, either in an envelope or fanned out for them to see, BEFORE my visit was to happen. After our session, we began to talk about this topic of donations- before vs after. She related that for first timers she gets the donation in advance, but often for repeat clients she was not as concerned because of a sense of trust.Turns out that this provider had a one hour visit with a new client, he paid her, and the visit went well. The client called for another visit, this time for two hours. The escort was not as concerned about the money because it was a repeat client.
The second visit ( for two hours ) took place. Both participants admitted to a very enjoyable time. The " trusted" client excused himself after the visit to use the bathroom, and had chosen this time to climb out the bathroom window - skipping out on his $400 donation.She was very upset and made only a minimal attempt to contact this man- getting no response. After I heard this story, I sent him a very nice message on escorts.com just saying "that I had just had a great visit with ******* and she mentioned to me that you also had recently seen her. Isn't she a great woman and a great provider ??? " I made NO mention of the ripoff. He answered me back saying that he had no idea who or what I was talking about and that he had never been to this area and had never this provider before.I then sent him a second , to the point, message calling him a lying piece of shit and asking him that if he was too embarassed to face the provider, I would be glad to meet him somewhere to get this $400 and give it to her.

He never responded to me.

Thank goodness that the vast majority of us understand the " rules of this hobby " and have a sense of right and wrong.

I never TOFTT. I’m not interested in the latest BP “find”. I refuse to do travelers. I just do my homework. I only bet on sure things. I’ve only been burned once and that was when I was new to the game and actually believed E.com reviews. But I walked out so it only cost me my time. I pay up front. I leave happy. How boring.
Originally Posted by jokacz

When looking a new to me, I like higher risk. But finding I'm a bit rusty at it.

I know this is off topic, I beat this dead horse all the time... if a Lady gets a bad review it can be all made up and she has no clue but even worse than that, she can't see it, none of us Ladies can. How can she/we learn from her mistake if we don't know what it is. I/we can't fix something that we don't know is wrong. IF I get a negative review (and it is 100% factual) I would want to know the whats and the whys as to what didn't click or what I did wrong so I/we can learn from it.
To rewind, before any of that ever happens I would rather have a Gent be a Gent and tell me at the beginning of a date,before he left,or write me after he left to say "Your room is/was too dark, I don't like fishnets, your heels make you 6 inches taller than me please take them off,you have/had on classic rock/prog and I prefer blues, I don't like nose studs, I felt you are/were too talkative..." all of those things can be changed or fixed... I would rather throw on a light, change my outfit, take off my heels, take out my nose ring, change my playlist, stfu... than get a negative review I would also rather have a SERIOUSLY reduced donation makeup session to make things right instead of get a negative review over trivial things that are easy to fix. It may be intimidating to say something but think of it as a business (which it truly is) if you don't like something you're served you tell your server, I/we are your server.
On the board I may be a smart ass, strong willed, opinionated, joke around, and be a real wild fire crotch... when it comes the way I run my business I am a 100% professional BCD. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, my customer is right, aiming to make sure that my customer is enthusiastically satisfied is my top priority. THIS IS 100% a customer service based profession.
Do I feel that if the bcd activities were good, clean, punctual, you had 1-10 cups of tea but there was no real connection that a review should be a no? No way, that has nothing to do with the Lady or the activities, that has to do with a connection. I think it should be noted that you didn't feel a spark but other than that I would say she deserves a yes UNLESS she didn't bother even acting like she was having fun or wanted you (Then to hell with that b___h).
Just saying MHO. I only ever speak FOR MYSELF through my experiences, opinions, and thoughts.

DAMN! I was totally writing my post up on my phone and got busy doing my makeup before I could post but yeah 100% +1 about the vendor thing and yada yada yada KUDOS

This is a perfect example of how it should work.
I can tell you that when I met with Crystalaries, I was very pleased, and it was after the bad review!!! I will see her again for sure.
Maybe that brought things to light? I dont know.
But if you do not tell your "vendors" that their services need to improve and they are slipping, then they will keep thinking that they are doing a good job.

If we keep doing what we are doing and expect things to change, that is insanity.
So please, start exposing the "horrible" situations and write about them. Save your "bro" from it happening to him.

How much longer do we need to keep paying for overpriced services, or lack thereof, when better services are available from another Lady, that is honest and is working hard to make a living.
Originally Posted by cnym

mmmm you must be the only one that can not read reviews ROS. opps I know of one other never mind.

Edit: will take a nap now. Read my whippings latter LOL

Back on topic, a few years ago when I was 100% UTR I always asked for the "gift"(donation) in a sweet card. I would always leave the card open with the donation in plain sight of both of us on the desk or what have you may. I never had any complaints about that.

Do you think the guys never deal with BS from providers? Originally Posted by GP

Yes guys deal with it too, I read about it quit frequently here. Unfortunately this hobby can be a double edge sword, but the ladies pile is a little deeper.

Depends on the appointment, most just get it out first, Ive never had to ask. I dont count it, I carry on with the appointment. At the rate I charge I deal with much less nonsense so I have faith in my client wont jip me. I accept the consequence if they do. By the time they are done reading my bio, they know better. he he

I just like it in plain sight with no envelope. The envelope is not going to keep you from getting busted. That envelope could be filled with paper..

I understand the mans POV but with a good lady the chances are slim to none, toftt from BP well.. you play with fire you just might get burned.

latter and forgetting can be fun.

Ya gave her a ride to where to have fun. On the way taking her home ya stop at a hot dog stand. As ya both standing in line waiting to order you take out your wallet to be ready. Pay her right then in front of all. with her look of shock and very pissed off at ya say " you need to do are grocery shopping latter do you not" hehehe it can be fun to piss-em off in a fun way time to time.

Depends on the appointment, most just get it out first, Ive never had to ask. I dont count it, I carry on with the appointment. At the rate I charge I deal with much less nonsense so I have faith in my client wont jip me. I accept the consequence if they do. By the time they are done reading my bio, they know better. he he

I just like it in plain sight with no envelope. The envelope is not going to keep you from getting busted. That envelope could be filled with paper..

I understand the mans POV but with a good lady the chances are slim to none, toftt from BP well.. you play with fire you just might get burned. Originally Posted by LynnT

Once again, I agree with EVERYTHING Lynn has to say!

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