Marriage is a constitutional right and not for the purpose of procreation

This is silly. Nobody is trying to impose anything on anyone. Gays simply want to be able to live their lives in honesty and peace. The only reason it's a big deal is because the evangelical crowd wants everyone to live by the Bible, that is, the parts of the Bible that fit into their worldview. They like to leave things out, like killing disobedient children, sending women out of town when they're on the rag, etc. (Hmmm . . . maybe . . . no, never mind.)

Bill Clinton did more to negatively effect the state of marriage in the US than gays ever could.

Big Jake can't wait till he can marry his goats...

Once this line is crossed it's just a matter of time until it happens. Originally Posted by boardman

Are you saying that a goat and a gay person are one and the same?

What line are you talking about?

Gay sex is legal, why should they not be allowed to marry?

Why do you want to restrict who a person of legal age and sound mind wants to marry, mutually. Not sure if we have figured out if a goat is willing to marry Jake. Once you have figured come back and talk about this comparison.

Two people of sound mind and legal age should be able to marry. Race or gender should not have a thing to do with it.

This is silly. Nobody is trying to impose anything on anyone. Gays simply want to be able to live their lives in honesty and peace. The only reason it's a big deal is because the evangelical crowd wants everyone to live by the Bible, that is, the parts of the Bible that fit into their worldview. They like to leave things out, like killing disobedient children, sending women out of town when they're on the rag, etc. (Hmmm . . . maybe . . . no, never mind.)

. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Agreed

Bill Clinton did more to negatively effect the state of marriage in the US than gays ever could. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Disagree, they are still married. It shows that people are not perfect ant there is no such thing as a perfect marriage. They showed us that and showed us how to stick it out.

Not one that imposes his/her POV onto others.Conservatives live their life's POV's , they do not impose them on others or restrict others from living theirs.See! You did it again. You are ignoring the principal issue in this debate. It's the LBGT that's seeking to impose their unnatural world view on society; not vice versa.

Yours is Dogmatic in this regard. Slight difference Originally Posted by WTF

BTW, the definition of 'dogmatic' is: "characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts." Since you are arguing 'opinion' against established social and scientific facts, it is you who is being 'dogmatic'.

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It is only unnatural to you and I . It is not unnatural to them.

Next they are not trying to impose it upon you and I. They are trying to do what comes natural to them. You are trying to impose your POV on them by denying the the same rights you have. The right to marry the person they love. That is wtf you are really trying to do. Originally Posted by WTF

As a self-proclaimed man of science, you know better. You cannot support your argument with a solitary example wherein a child was naturally spawned from the sexual activities in a same sex relationship; hence, same sex relationships are, by definition, 'unnatural'. Argue, if you wish, with Darwin.

This is silly. Nobody is trying to impose anything on anyone. Gays simply want to be able to live their lives in honesty and peace. The only reason it's a big deal is because the evangelical crowd wants everyone to live by the Bible, that is, the parts of the Bible that fit into their worldview. They like to leave things out, like killing disobedient children, sending women out of town when they're on the rag, etc. (Hmmm . . . maybe . . . no, never mind.)

Bill Clinton did more to negatively effect the state of marriage in the US than gays ever could. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

If it's not important, why won't a 'civil union' suffice for the LBGT community?

Are you saying that a goat and a gay person are one and the same?

What line are you talking about?

Gay sex is legal, why should they not be allowed to marry?
Originally Posted by WTF

theres your fallacy, why cant goat lover sex be legal

[INDENT] As a self-proclaimed man of science, you know better. You cannot support your argument with a solitary example wherein a child was naturally spawned from the sexual activities in a same sex relationship; hence, same sex relationships are, by definition, 'unnatural'. Argue, if you wish, with Darwin. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That only holds if we buy into the idea that sex is only for procreation. I don't buy that. And anyone on here who has sex for fun or other reasons doesn't either.

If sex is only for procreation, then we must all be Catholics.

BTW, the definition of 'dogmatic' is: "characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts." Since you are arguing 'opinion' against established social and scientific facts, it is you who is being 'dogmatic'.

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. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I am arguing opinion vs. opinion as it pertains to right or wrong.

I am arguing facts as it pertains to discrimination.

I am arguing facts as it pertains to the evolution of blacks and whites being able to marry and now gays. I argue that you are on the losing side of this issue. The facts are in my corner.

We can argue right or wrong on the issue till the cows come home and never solve a thing.

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As a self-proclaimed man of science, you know better. You cannot support your argument with a solitary example wherein a child was naturally spawned from the sexual activities in a same sex relationship; hence, same sex relationships are, by definition, 'unnatural'. Argue, if you wish, with Darwin. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Only if you believe that marriage is only for procreation. Is that what you believe? Gay sex in the animal kingdom is natural, it happens all the time. It is only innatural if you are forced to do it. Nobody is forcing you to marry nor watch gay sex. Gay sex is different from marriage. You keep forgetting that fact.

Not letting Gays marry is discrimination. That is a fact, no matter how long a tradition , it does not change the fact that it is discrimination.

Are you saying that a goat and a gay person are one and the same?

What line are you talking about?

Gay sex is legal, why should they not be allowed to marry?

Why do you want to restrict who a person of legal age and sound mind wants to marry, mutually. Not sure if we have figured out if a goat is willing to marry Jake. Once you have figured come back and talk about this comparison.

Two people of sound mind and legal age should be able to marry. Race or gender should not have a thing to do with it. Originally Posted by WTF

Ok, now you want to qualify it to make it legal for two people of sound mind and legal age. Aren't you now, in fact, discriminating?

theres your fallacy, why cant goat lover sex be legal Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Because a goat can not give his/her permission to have sex. It is rape. Goat rape. Are you for rape.

What part of mutual sex do you not understand?

What part of age of consent will you not understand.

Find me a goat that can convey his approval of having sex with you and wants to sign a marriage document and I will say go for it

You want us to find you a goat, WTF? WTF!

Ok, now you want to qualify it to make it legal for two people of sound mind and legal age. Aren't you now, in fact, discriminating? Originally Posted by boardman

Yes but not by sex of race or creed. That is what you people do not understand. The age has risen over the years but not just for blacks or whites or straight people or gay people but for all people. Yes you have to be a certain age to enter into a legal contract. When did that become a slippery slope?

You want us to find you a goat, WTF? WTF! Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are to old a goat GOG but thanks for the offer!

Can you find a goat that can sign a marriage contract?

LOL! Thanks but no thanks. But that was funny!

Because a goat can not give his/her permission to have sex. It is rape. Goat rape. Are you for rape.

What part of mutual sex do you not understand?

What part of age of consent will you not understand.

Find me a goat that can convey his approval of having sex with you and wants to sign a marriage document and I will say go for it Originally Posted by WTF

Do you mean that because you cannot communicate with Jakes goat that no one else can. If Jake tells us that his goat has communicated in some way her love for Jake who are we to tell him it's not true?

If Jake's goat backs up to a stump and lifts her tail and allows it, is that not consent?