Wrong again, jackass. You're not worth the thought it takes to make a sentence.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Poor IB is nuerotiic and tends to manifest his frustrations in psychotic symbolism..
- i'va biggen
- 09-19-2012, 06:55 PM
Poor IB is nuerotiic and tends to manifest his frustrations in psychotic symbolism..
- I B Hankering
- 09-19-2012, 07:03 PM
- joe bloe
- 09-19-2012, 07:05 PM
Poor IB is nuerotiic and tends to manifest his frustrations in psychotic symbolism.. Originally Posted by ekim008
Your post reminds me of a funny skit from In Living Color.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izpa9D7c77U
- Fast Gunn
- 09-19-2012, 08:14 PM
- acp5762
- 09-20-2012, 10:29 AM
http://youtu.be/5eoHMicqnz8
Questions about Islam have been comming up quite a bit all over the media. I found this video. It explains a good bit about the nature of Islam. This is closest to what I believe about Islam.
Questions about Islam have been comming up quite a bit all over the media. I found this video. It explains a good bit about the nature of Islam. This is closest to what I believe about Islam.
- I B Hankering
- 09-20-2012, 11:21 AM
Recommend:
Thomas W. Lippman's Understanding Islam: An Introduction To The Moslem World. New York: A Mentor Book. 1982. pp. xii, 196. It's still in print, and serves as a decent, short introduction to Islam.
If you have the time, the following books are among the best for an in depth look at Islam
Marshall G. S. Hodgson’s monumental work:
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 1, The Classical Age of Islam . Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. Xii, 532.
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 2, The Expansion of Islam in the Middle Periods. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. viii, 609.
The Venture of Islam, Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 3, The Gunpowder Empires and Modern Times . The University of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois, 1974. pp. vi, 469.
Also recommend:
Micahel Sell’s Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations. Ashland, Oregon: White Cloud Press, 1999. pp. 220.
Thomas W. Lippman's Understanding Islam: An Introduction To The Moslem World. New York: A Mentor Book. 1982. pp. xii, 196. It's still in print, and serves as a decent, short introduction to Islam.
If you have the time, the following books are among the best for an in depth look at Islam
Marshall G. S. Hodgson’s monumental work:
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 1, The Classical Age of Islam . Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. Xii, 532.
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 2, The Expansion of Islam in the Middle Periods. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. viii, 609.
The Venture of Islam, Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 3, The Gunpowder Empires and Modern Times . The University of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois, 1974. pp. vi, 469.
Also recommend:
Micahel Sell’s Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations. Ashland, Oregon: White Cloud Press, 1999. pp. 220.
- joe bloe
- 09-20-2012, 11:34 AM
Recommend:I recommend anything Robert Spencer has written on the subject.
Thomas W. Lippman'sUnderstanding Islam: An Introduction To The Moslem World. New York: A Mentor Book. 1982. pp. xii, 196. It's still in print, and serves as a decent, short introduction to Islam.
If you have the time, the following books are among the best for an in depth look at Islam
Marshall G. S. Hodgson’s monumental work:
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 1, The Classical Age of Islam . Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. Xii, 532.
The Venture of Islam. Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 2, The Expansion of Islam in the Middle Periods. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1974. pp. viii, 609.
The Venture of Islam, Conscience and History in a World Civilization Volume 3, The Gunpowder Empires and Modern Times . The University of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois, 1974. pp. vi, 469.
Also recommend:
Micahel Sell’s Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations. Ashland, Oregon: White Cloud Press, 1999. pp. 220. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
The French Muhammad cartoons are posted on Spencer's website. They are wonderful!
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
- ChoomCzar
- 09-20-2012, 11:42 AM
Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
An influential Shi'a cleric close to Ahmadinejad informed followers that prisoner coercion by rape, torture and drugs is acceptable in Islam.
By Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
(file)
A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.
The gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad.
Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality.
In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.
According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."
At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.
Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.
"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."
This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."
An influential Shi'a cleric close to Ahmadinejad informed followers that prisoner coercion by rape, torture and drugs is acceptable in Islam.
By Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
(file)
A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.
The gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad.
Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality. In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.
According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."
At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.
Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.
"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."
This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."
- joe bloe
- 09-20-2012, 11:59 AM
Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
An influential Shi'a cleric close to Ahmadinejad informed followers that prisoner coercion by rape, torture and drugs is acceptable in Islam.
By Nissan Ratzlav-Katz
(file)
A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.
The gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad.
In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.
According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."
At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.
Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.
"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."
This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.
Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim." Originally Posted by ChoomCzar
Islam is an evil religion.
For hundreds of years, the so called Barbary Pirates, off the coast of northern Africa, captured Europeans and Americans and sold them into slavery. When they took a ship, they killed the men and took the women and children. They sold the women and little girls into slavery. They also sold the little boys into slavery. Before the little boys were sold, they were typically castrated, because they brought a better price that way. The only problem was, that very often, they didn't survive being castrated.
Churchill said that fundamentalist Muslims were like rabid dogs.