Integrity, Hero Worship, When the "Oh He Could Never" types cross over the line.

This was fun and all learned some valuable things

1. Someone entrusted to enforce the rules and protect the members violated that trust for his own gain and actually threatened them.......................... .......................

Hold on, every day I read stories about crooked mods who use their position for free sex. Show favoritism for free sex and do other corrupt things for free sex. Hmmm Eccie is full of corrupt mods as was aspd and eraps and every other hooker board site. Ok nothing new there.

2. That we have pimps operating here on eccie......................... .....

Wait, I can name 10 local pimps here on eccie. I would guess at least 30% of the ladies on eccie are pimped or managed or handled depending on your interpretation. I can't tell you how many times I've read indy only to find out not even close. Can we say Gracy Farms. How many ladies work out of Gracy Farms? It's amazing how many of them use the same set of incalls. Austin Eccie's biggest pimp is the one pimp who is smart enough to stay out of the limelight. It's funny though the scenerio W described to get his girls is the MO the PETER uses to get his. He advertises on craiglist for models or casual dating etc.... and then he sends them out to his various handlers and agencies. Yes folks I did say agencies, good ol Peter has been behind a good portion of the Austin Agencies and Even our Notorious Marco. The difference is once he get's the ladies he hands them off to people like Layla and Marco and LBD and even Hush and then he is not the one everyone was talking about. I'd say that makes him a smart Pimp and not an ego maniac and fool like Marco. And I've been told by some of his past ladies that he was a decent guy, even getting some of his ladies laptops.

Hell this site is run by pimps, our illustrious owners are pimps. This site was built and set up by pimps to cater to guys so they could make money. This isn't about information, its about making money.

Shout out T-Bone- St Chris keep pimpin.

3. Pimps are bad...................DUH

4. Whispers types out some long ass shit DUH

OOOOPS my bad, I guess there really wasn't anything new here for anyone who actually pays attention on this board.

Over the last couple of days I received a barrage of texts, PMs and emails from members taking guesses as to who I was talking about. City Jazz definitely made the top of the list which SHOULD probably concern him. After all, WHO would want to be perceived in the manner I described? . Originally Posted by Whispers

That's because people have come to figure out that CJ is full of shit and a shill for Marco and his girls. His reviews are more about him and his ego then what actually happened in the session. I have more then a handful of ladies tell me how full of shit he is and that he spends most of the session taking pictures and posing the ladies then actually fucking. He's also one of the first to pop in to speak up for a lady who let's him do his special kind of fucking when guys are trashing her looks or service. Hell he's even started shilling for ladies he's never met yet posting ignorant statements like "good news guys she's full gfe". How can you say stuff like that when you haven't even seen the lady yet.

This isn't about CJ - I've never had a problem with him. He's a decent guy, the ladies love him, and he gets laid a hell of a lot. Why is this a problem?

I don't have a problem with agencies even though I don't patronize them... I liked Marley back when she was active. I used to think she had a guy behind the scenes using her as a figurehead (something a few other providers backed up) but talking to her and most importantly watching her interact with and schedule her 'talent', it was pretty clear that (a) she was running the show and (b) provided a service for women who didn't want to deal with the 'paperwork'. Yet even then... I preferred indies. At that point it's purely a $ thing - why not reward someone who *does* do all their own work?

Pimps are different and from what you describe Ranchhand was a wannabe pimp. "Eccie pimp" is a common label for people who loiter on Backpage and the Welcome Wagon trying to pick up new girls and 'show them the ropes' in return for free play. It may not be stereotypical purple velour pimp hand stuff but it's taking advantage of someone's lack of knowledge, and in my admittedly skewed perspective it is pretty sleazy stuff. And these are guys who aren't actually taking advantage of anything other than their own knowledge of how things work. Using your position as a mod is an entirely different matter.

Hold on, every day I read stories about crooked mods who use their position for free sex. Show favoritism for free sex and do other corrupt things for free sex. Hmmm Eccie is full of corrupt mods as was aspd and eraps and every other hooker board site. Ok nothing new there. Originally Posted by homer13

That's a common thing to ASSume here but unless you know Space or Ztonk are using their position for personal advantage, you're talking out of your ass.

He didn't say shit about Z or Space so you're the one talking out your ass ! Ever here of MrHappy4u ? Do a search , you'll see a currently embattled mod ! Accused of corruption , using position to secure BB sex !

That's a common thing to ASSume here but unless you know Space or Ztonk are using their position for personal advantage, you're talking out of your ass. Originally Posted by Qziz

I didn't name any mod's specifically but you if want to go around the board there are plenty of mod's being outed recently for their indiscretions just like Ranch. I think here in Austin we are lucky to have two of the decent ones behind the scenes. It also probably doesn't hurt that they are decent looking guys too unlike some of these other mods being outed.

Generally if you say a place is "full of corrupt mods" it would possibly include the ones here, yes. Regardless thanks for the clarification.

Whispers, that took guts. I respect that. Sometimes someone has to speak up to protect everybody even the ones who do not think they want or need protection. In the real world I think the term would be oppression.

I do not know the people described, but it is much more than sorry to take advantage of someone like described as "the price of admission." People like that should be identified by handle and permanently ostracized.

In case you are wondering, Whispy, we do know each other, but by a different name. I respect your stepping up.

OD

Whispers, that took guts. I respect that. Sometimes someone has to speak up to protect everybody even the ones who do not think they want or need protection. In the real world I think the term would be oppression.

I do not know the people described, but it is much more than sorry to take advantage of someone like described as "the price of admission." People like that should be identified by handle and permanently ostracized.

In case you are wondering, Whispy, we do know each other, but by a different name. I respect your stepping up.

OD Originally Posted by Old Dingus

Wow, I had no idea you knew Whispers that way.


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So that everyone knows, I'm the hobbyist that Whispers eluded to about coming to him with this issue back in November December time frame.

I have no problem with managed ladies as long as I know that going in that would be my choice from that point. So to me it wasn't an issue of the manager/pimp but rather an issue of a respected hobbyist vouching for a lady that they never saw in person. That last statement came directly from the young lady I saw. Yet this lady was first reviewed and vouched for by Ranch, that was the reason I went to see her. ECCIE is suppose to be the free flow of information but if that information is skewed by misrepresentation of the actual facts, I do have a problem with that.

Back in December, I was informed that it was probably just a mistake and that someone else could be using Ranch's handle to the new ladies arriving in our area. At that, I let it drop and never said anything else about the matter until this latest incident came to light.

Again I never had a problem with the manager/pimp, the ladies that they represent have chosen that route. IMO for at least the Killeen area they do bring talent that this area might not see otherwise.

What I do have an issue with is the misrepresentation that this particular well respected member / Mod performed to the rest of the community and specifically the Killeen/BCS/Waco forum. The latest incident with the "price of admission" was way over the top and beyond comprehension.

So there it is from my standpoint and let the chips fall where they might as far as I'm concerned but I thought it would be better to bring my insight to this matter then to stay on the sidelines and say nothing.

Whispy, when did they make Marco an ECCIE moderator? If not Marco then hmmm, let me think(s)..

Someone with credibility (excessive review poster maybe).. hmmm, let me think(s) some more...

Someone with a history of taking photos and sharing.. hmmm, let me think(s) some more...

Someone with a history of outing other members.. hmmm, let me think(s) some more...

Someone with a history of covering things up.. hmmm, let me think(s) some more...

Well Whispy, I am lost.. this is a big (City) and I am (Still Looking) for clues and gathering additional information. Originally Posted by kSoze

Heh....

Over the last couple of days I received a barrage of texts, PMs and emails from members taking guesses as to who I was talking about. City Jazz definitely made the top of the list which SHOULD probably concern him. After all, WHO would want to be perceived in the manner I described? But these issues does not involve either City Jazz of Still Looking.

One phrase that the "Pimp/Manager/Agency" used in commenting on how let down he was by Ranchhand's actions over the last few months was "that he lacked finesse".

On the surface this particular "Pimp/Manager/Agency" seems be a lot smarter than Marco has portrayed himself to be. Especially in a situation like this. There was message sent my way that was probably meant to be intimidating but he quickly came to realize that he simply placed too much trust in his Middle Management without enough supervision and decided that Ranchhand represented too much collateral damage and he distanced himself from him quite rapidly.

Marco seems to love the drama and the confrontation and tries to bully people to accomplish what he wants. This "Pimp/Manager/Agency" quickly adapts to a situation and is well written and capable of mirroring the person he is communicating with and earning their respect.

No where in any of these tales has there been talk of illicit substances where he or his girls are concerned the way Marco has been linked to. The only thing he really seems guilty of is trying to shortcut the verification process and managing the girls through individual accounts.

I think there is a strong base of clients that would use Agency Girls managed through an Agency type approach. Trying to make it APPEAR that girls are independent when they are actually managed is not a good business model as it breaks down in the end as the girls lack the finesse to project the same story.

No. This guy COULD be much better than Marco if he comes to town and gives the system a chance to work as it is designed to work. Present the girls through an Agency with a scheduler/booker and not be pretending to be each individual girl.

Marco seems to try to manage the image of each individual girl.

The best Agencies I've dealt with managed the image of their Agency. They built THEIR reputation and maintained a constantly changing menu to select from. I became confident in the Agency and they valued me as a client and if the Manager told me I should try a girl and she matched my particular physical preferences I didn't ask much more.

No, you are wrong again. Marco totally lacks the finesse this guy does. If this WAS Marco he would be all over these threads with explanations and accusations trying to spin it all. And City Jazz and Still Looking are much to into their own images and fan base to be directly involved in my opinion. They might get offered a free ride or a discount here and there for the review. Heck. That is good business even. But letting either run his business?

In my opinion this guy is spending his time contacting other members with a style and finesse he knows he needs and looking to replace Ranchhand as quickly as possible. Considering the gig has some perks I have no doubt he will find a guy.

This thread is NOT about "Pimp/Manager/Agency". I can lay nothing at the feet of this guy other than he cut a deal with Ranchhand to manage the "20-30 girls" he supposedly turned over to him since late last summer. I know there are a lot here that have a problem with a guy taking a girls money but on the surface I haven't heard a girl complain that he MADE them do anything. Originally Posted by Whispers

a couple of points I want to piggyback on to your post, Whispers.

first, I figured it was Ranch after you called out his review on Arianna. When i read your comments I knew shit was going on. I also had a weird suspicion something was up myself before all that. I had asked Ranch before on some of it, but I won't publicize that because those were private PMs and I don't want this pimp to learn from Ranch's mistakes.

second, I received a strange PM a month or so ago. it was from some user who never posts, except did two reviews on the same girl. He was asking me how PMs worked, which was strange because he just sent me a PM. I have a feeling now that this might be a pimp, perhaps the one in question, who is sending out feelers on the community, possibly to find people who can help out his business.

third, I personally feel all pimps are sociopaths tbh. maybe some are better than others, but people like Marco and this new pimp, they're all first class manipulators and deceivers. I'm willing to bet if you scratched far enough below the surface, you'd find a really damaged psyche or lack of morality. Pimps essentially make their money off the backs of women, I don't know how much more pathetic you can get than that.

So while this is about Ranchhand, I still think the pimp is the far more insidious creature.

Finally I would like to say in defense of Ranch, he was a very good mod for his tenure with us in the Killeen board. All this stuff that Whispers is talking about happened the past few months. Which is why I think it's sad. He was a good mod and an old dude that was always pretty upfront with people (yes I know ironic). I think eventually, this pimp was able to impress him with lots of free pussy and Ranch gave in. Which is why I think it's sad, because it shows even a trustworthy mod can capitulate when dealing with first class deceivers like pimps.

This is why I wouldn't want to be a replacement mod. I try not to spend too much time or money in this world as is, and I think if some seductive voice came along offering me a chance at verifying lots of untapped pussy, I believe I'd turn that down but I'd rather not be in that position.

OUT THE PIMP.. OUT THE PIMP!!!

That's because people have come to figure out that CJ is full of shit and a shill for Marco and his girls. His reviews are more about him and his ego then what actually happened in the session. I have more then a handful of ladies tell me how full of shit he is and that he spends most of the session taking pictures and posing the ladies then actually fucking. He's also one of the first to pop in to speak up for a lady who let's him do his special kind of fucking when guys are trashing her looks or service. Hell he's even started shilling for ladies he's never met yet posting ignorant statements like "good news guys she's full gfe". How can you say stuff like that when you haven't even seen the lady yet. Originally Posted by homer13

This was fun and all learned some valuable things

1. Someone entrusted to enforce the rules and protect the members violated that trust for his own gain and actually threatened them.......................... .......................

Hold on, every day I read stories about crooked mods who use their position for free sex. Show favoritism for free sex and do other corrupt things for free sex. Hmmm Eccie is full of corrupt mods as was aspd and eraps and every other hooker board site. Ok nothing new there.

2. That we have pimps operating here on eccie......................... .....

Wait, I can name 10 local pimps here on eccie. I would guess at least 30% of the ladies on eccie are pimped or managed or handled depending on your interpretation. I can't tell you how many times I've read indy only to find out not even close. Can we say Gracy Farms. How many ladies work out of Gracy Farms? It's amazing how many of them use the same set of incalls. Austin Eccie's biggest pimp is the one pimp who is smart enough to stay out of the limelight. It's funny though the scenerio W described to get his girls is the MO the PETER uses to get his. He advertises on craiglist for models or casual dating etc.... and then he sends them out to his various handlers and agencies. Yes folks I did say agencies, good ol Peter has been behind a good portion of the Austin Agencies and Even our Notorious Marco. The difference is once he get's the ladies he hands them off to people like Layla and Marco and LBD and even Hush and then he is not the one everyone was talking about. I'd say that makes him a smart Pimp and not an ego maniac and fool like Marco. And I've been told by some of his past ladies that he was a decent guy, even getting some of his ladies laptops.

Hell this site is run by pimps, our illustrious owners are pimps. This site was built and set up by pimps to cater to guys so they could make money. This isn't about information, its about making money.

Shout out T-Bone- St Chris keep pimpin.

3. Pimps are bad...................DUH

4. Whispers types out some long ass shit DUH

OOOOPS my bad, I guess there really wasn't anything new here for anyone who actually pays attention on this board. Originally Posted by homer13

truth bombs

I think eventually, this pimp was able to impress him with lots of free pussy and Ranch gave in. Which is why I think it's sad, because it shows even a trustworthy mod can capitulate when dealing with first class deceivers like pimps. Originally Posted by NewWave

I think if some seductive voice came along offering me a chance at verifying lots of untapped pussy, I believe I'd turn that down but I'd rather not be in that position. Originally Posted by NewWave

OUT THE PIMIP.. OUT THE PIMP!!!