And I know Val will not say the same about me.Well clearly, this is topic has very differing opinions! However, as with Valerie's post (and many other posts in this thread), the topic is not about Pipefitter or Sweetbrandy or even how hot Valerie is (I agree 100% btw and would jump her bones in a heartbeat, lol)! The topic is about Facebook as it relates to the "Hobby" - please stick to it!
And come on Vic.. I can put up with a lot of things but ineptitude and conspiratorial theories rank up there with "Things that set Blad off"..Originally Posted by bladtinzu
For the record, I have a personal facebook account, but my 6 posts a year clearly don't make me an expert so maybe I am clueless on this issue. I might be missing something, but personally, I don't see how girls marketing themselves on Facebook is much different than using ECCIE, P411, EROS, BP, etc. Facebook may have started as a family oriented site, but seems to have taken on a life of its own and evolved to the point where it's a big social environment for businesses, universities, politicians, churches, and an endless variety of themed groups. Facebook (and its countless advertisers) seem happy with any audience they can get and must not really monitor accounts, since some of their members commonly use made-up usernames just like we do here and they clearly don't pay attention to age restrictions, based on some accounts that I've seen.
Since the groups can be made private, and entered only by invitation, I don't see how there would be an issue with the wrong person just stumbling into a bunch of escort photos and the associated advertisements. Now I definitely don't believe anyone (guys or girls), under any circumstances, should be forced (or coerced) into turning over their bodies and do things that are against their will - wrong, Wrong, WRONG! I completely agree with anyone objecting to girls being exploited on facebook, but how does using facebook differ than girls in that situation on BP, ECCIE, etc?
I'll bet it happens as much (but probably more) using other mediums than facebook. I have met girls on CL, BP, and even ECCIE, who didn't even know about their ads or Showcases and clearly didn't even have access to them, so that doesn't sit right with me, though the girls weren't always unhappy with the situation. Most have been agency girls, though I'm sure "pimps" clearly exist, but again it's no different with facebook than any other site.
Now as far as pimps go, there is quite a difference in what people consider a pimp. Many of us may still picture the stereotypical black man, with the gold teeth, chains around his neck, and pimp cane, driving his girls around in a caddy, lol. In reality, I'd guess there are just as many white men and woman pimps and the result is the same and still wrong if it's forced upon someone out of fear, survival, or any other reason. Again, no difference in my mind whether facebook is the medium or not.
Also debatable is at what point a person is classified as a pimp and not just a helpful person! I've met quite a few girls on BP, who've expessed a dislike for that medium and I've invited some to join ECCIE. If I wrote a review on them, VP status is a done deal, so does that make me a pimp? I don't think so, since they were already part of the "hobby" world and I felt I was just assisting them to get a better place/way to market themselves. Is pimp status tied to getting some benefit from the girls "work"? So far, no girl has ever offered me a free session or BB service for my help, nor would I even consider either. That doesn't mean I'd say no, if a girl offered me extra time in a session as appreciation for my help, lol but I'd never ask, nor expect it. Is similar assistance to girls using facebook any different? Not to me, "IF" the girl is asking for help and her arm isn't being twisted to do something she's doesn't want to. As someone else mentioned, I look at a pimp as someone who takes most of the girls money and does their best to make sure she can't easily get out of that situation. Is that what an agency does - I doubt it in most cases, but many of us here in the south are aware of how most of the low-life agencies could care less about the girl and don't bother to screen, being onlyl interested in their cut. Not to say that there aren't reputable agencies, who don't steal ads, send bait & switch girls, etc. I've talked to many girls who were happy they started with a good agency, which took the burden of screening and scheduling off them and all they had to do was show up do what they were already good at. A good agency is only there as long as the girl needs them and it's a mutual benefit, but I'll bet that's few and far between. Either way, is it any different if that agency uses facebook to advertise the girls?
Finally, what about the views regarding how girls using facebook groups affect competition and rates - now those seem to be volatile areas of concern! Those two kind of go hand in hand to me, like economics theories on supply and demand. If providers are in short supply, guys are willing to pay more or they have to do without. On the hand, if you are a guy in a hobby rich area like Dallas and San Antonio (maybe Huntsville) then centerfold/GFE quality girls at $150 an hr is common and $100 specials abound. We see specials like that even here on BP, but I'm guessing that's just because some of those girls have bills to pay and $60 for a quickie is better than no income. I'll agree it's sad that girls are in that situation, but most guys aren't made of money either, so nobody should blame them for going with the best deal. Don't we all do the same when we are shopping for cars, clothing, etc? Of course I can see why guys are unhappy when that same girl joins ECCIE and then sometimes with the urging of other providers or just by checking out the other provider ads, their prices double overnight. I don't see how facebook itself changes anything with respect to rates and many ECCIE ladies in this thread have said they use facebook in some way, with respect to the hobby (though not to advertise some bargain basement rate).
Now, I can understand how competion might not be a wanted situation to a provider! I don't really want someone who's willing to offer the work I do for less money and I wouldn't expect a provider to either. Naturally, most sane guys are going to hit that beautiful 20 year old for a lower price. Of course we sometimes find that we get what we pay for and the same level of service isn't there, that we get from an experienced ECCIE provider, but sometimes it's just about the eye candy or saving money!
Long story short, I don't see how young girls on a facebook group, charging reduced rates is different than similar girls on BP or anywhere else. Then again, maybe I'm just naive or plain wrong (as I've been before). Just my .02 cents worth!
Well said Vic 
