Dammit, tbonetas

Ya gotta love RM's helping hand.

Did you really? God bless your


I think, and I'm just guessing here, that the OP started this thread to not only give props to tbonetas, but also see if anyone else had any suggestions. But once you're outs with this club, anything you say or do will be used against you. You can't please everyone all the time, and if you try to you will wind up all ate up with it and become defensive. Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

I don't know if a guy with 999 reviews needs props. On the other hand maybe that's what it's all about.

I look at this more as a suckass on how to get free blowjobs thread as opposed to a threAD Originally Posted by tbone2u

Fixed it for ya Originally Posted by R.M.

And now it's politically correct.

When you said "six", I certainly hope you didn't mean DarthMaul, DickEmDown, mojojo213, SOULMANIKE, Jusanotherdude, and Pistolero.

It would be absurd to call them nut-jobs....considering the exemplary job they are doing as moderators. Originally Posted by Sarunga

Why thank you Sir...

I get a warm and fuzzy every time a member wants to recognize me or one of my fellow moderators for excelling at this thankless job, your AWESOME

Ya gotta love RM's boobies . Originally Posted by pyramider

Ftfy

Really?? Even with Frankennipple?? Moderating has fried your brain...

When you said "six", I certainly hope you didn't mean DarthMaul, DickEmDown, mojojo213, SOULMANIKE, Jusanotherdude, and Pistolero.

It would be absurd to call them nut-jobs....considering the exemplary job they are doing as moderators. Originally Posted by Sarunga

Why don't you just meet up for lunch with all the mods and have them get in a line and drop their pants for you. Get you some kneepads and show them what you really feel.

You sir are the biggest mod kiss-ass on this board. I would suggest to you that you take a very good look at yourself in a mirror and see if you really are what you want to be. While you are looking....think about the reviews you have written. It's very important you convince yourself they are real....because a lot of us don't believe they are and a few of us know they aren't. Take a good look my friend.

This thread and the other "patting myself on the back" threads are useless information.

On one hand they seem to say one thing but at the same time they show themselves to be something else.

Some people just like sucking dick. Lmao

Why don't you just meet up for lunch with all the mods and have them get in a line and drop their pants for you. Get you some kneepads and show them what you really feel.

You sir are the biggest mod kiss-ass on this board. I would suggest to you that you take a very good look at yourself in a mirror and see if you really are what you want to be. While you are looking....think about the reviews you have written. It's very important you convince yourself they are real....because a lot of us don't believe they are and a few of us know they aren't. Take a good look my friend.

This thread and the other "patting myself on the back" threads are useless information.

On one hand they seem to say one thing but at the same time they show themselves to be something else. Originally Posted by tbone2u

Just so....you don't get a chance to edit this.

Yeah. My bad for wanting to discuss where to start among the agencies in town. Must be some top secret hidden agenda I have. . Originally Posted by blowpop

Theirs or yours? I'm all for discussing...................

I have two goals I hope to accomplish with my response to you. One , is to help you understand why there is such condemnation and over all lack of love for your “system” from both the men and women. And the second one is to educate the women so they can decide with all the facts if they wish to stay away from you and your “system” or not. So without further adieu I will attempt to do what I’ve set out to do.

You are a Negotiator

When I was in Corporate USA, I went to a training seminar once on negotiation. It pretty much reinforced what I’d leaned from a wizened old man in the garment industry years before. That is, one needs to determine how quickly or not one wants to sell something and set his or her price to meet the initial criteria. Someone, somewhere will want what you’re selling and at your price. I will say they articulated when to know you are being negotiated with better than my mentor. Here’s their well worded wisdom: If someone offers to buy what your selling and they say ANYTHING other than, “Here’s my money; hand me my keys.” you are being negotiated with. Did you get that? Any further conditions or qualifications means you are being negotiated with.

A. With the above in mind, when you say you don’t want full service because you get that satisfied outside the hobby like you do below. The assumption that you have confirmed is you are looking for a discount based on the fact that you do not want to have intercourse with the lady. We’ll address this later below.

………..(For those who do not know me, I don't do full service in session, but instead prefer a woman with amazing French skills.)……………… Originally Posted by blowpop

……………. affordable French-only rates are a big help, and being adorable doesn't hurt, either.) Originally Posted by blowpop

B. In this example, you are negotiating further – well more like panhandling actually – when you say that you have limited funds.

……………….(Please remember: It's my limited time and budget, ………………… Originally Posted by blowpop

NOTES on A and B: I really like the way you put your negotiation requirements in parenthesis as if they are an after thought and not really hard and fast deal killers.

I’m not saying that negotiation per say is bad. I had an Off the Clock option that rendered this type of, in your case I’ll use, “parlay” unnecessary. And there is always plenty of room to reach an understanding for extended or travel engagements, patronage and grandfathering. However, unless you are a blow and go client, which we all know you definitely are not, I do not feel there is room to negotiate with your scenario. Which brings us to talking point number two.

You Shoplift


Let me start by saying, I’m kind of like a snake in that I can practically unhinge my jaw. And no, I do not share the fangs and venom characteristics with snakes though some may think so LOL. That does not mean I want to suck your dick for a solid hour. I don’t know any of the traveling ladies that didn’t know anything about your “system”, but I know some of the locals. You misrepresent yourself. Trust me. No lady has any expectation of staying down on you for an hour. In most engagements the activities vary. This way, no any one person or part gets tired or in this little drama abused. We all know you fancy yourself a dom. Personally, I think this is just part of your shtick or game you play. It’s not very funny, and if the lady in question isn’t into subbing, it’s abusive.

On top of being abusive, given you’ve promised a slot on your famous "List” and you review, the lady is coerced into cooperating with your demands. I can assure you, Blowpop – and thank you for making up your own nick name – no lady wants to blow you for an hour and if not for the fact that you can dramatically effect their income at least short time, they put up with it. I’ve noticed that most of you list is new (or they were ten years ago when you added them to your “List”) or traveling ladies that are here to make money or loose money based on one little ole review.

For these reason, and to recap: you take what the lady has no reasonable expectation of selling. Some may call it coercion – well I did; some may call it pilfering; some may call it something else all together; but I call it shoplifting.

You Market Yourself as a Whore


Most men just go get some sugar. They decide what their criteria is. They seek a lady out. They contact her with an offer of money not some kind of fame thingie. And they follow through. You seem either above that, incapable of that, too cheep to do that or are too abusive to do that. Most men don't advertise their services as a semi-pro marketer of blow jobs for women. In fact most men don't sell anything. They are procurers of said services not the other way around.

By leaving the tenth slot open like ALWAYS you are advertising – I’d call it trolling – for your next blow job – I’d call it victim. You have no intention of ever filling slot number Ten. Thus you are always marketing your skills as blow job receiver and blow job marketer. You actually don't just advertise; you have a whole marketing campaign.

The way you get women to beg for a chance to be on your never ending Tenth slot is you word your ads like below.

As always, I'm interested in new candidates, so if you run across anyone exceptional (or if you are a provider and you think you have exceptional French skills) please drop me a PM or an e-mail. Originally Posted by blowpop

(Please remember: It's my limited time and budget, so there's no guarantee that I'll interview you for the list. Recommendations from trusted sources and affordable French-only rates are a big help, and being adorable doesn't hurt, either.) Originally Posted by blowpop

You even try to get other men to pimp for you when you say things like this:

Your favorites, of course, may differ; if you think I've left someone off the list, please send me a PM, email, or post here. Originally Posted by blowpop

If a lady feels like prying her mouth open for an hour and for half or less of her rate then by all means she should see you or any other panhandler or shoplifter for an offer to be one of nine on a list of ten.

Thus ends my analysis of your three pronged approach to discounted and or free pussy wrought with pearls of wisdom. Perhaps, as I’ve outlined, these reasons are why your “system” always seems to be under attack.

I think, and I'm just guessing here, that the OP started this thread to not only give props to tbonetas, but also see if anyone else had any suggestions. Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

Exactly. I've noticed that even if a specific member audience is asked a question, others feel free to chime in. Many have useful information to share.

A few just have an endless need for attention.

But once you're outs with this club, anything you say or do will be used against you. You can't please everyone all the time, and if you try to you will wind up all ate up with it and become defensive. Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

Yep. Sad, isn't it? The worst part is that members of the bad attitude brigade occasionally share something useful (if you can wade through the piles of garbage they spew) so I held off using the ignore feature.

Now that I have, the signal-to-noise ratio on Eccie has improved tremendously.

Has BlowPup put OH on ignore yet...........heh

Has BlowPup put OH on ignore yet...........heh Originally Posted by dearhunter

Theirs or yours? I'm all for discussing...................

I have two goals I hope to accomplish with my response to you. One , is to help you understand why there is such condemnation and over all lack of love for your “system” from both the men and women. And the second one is to educate the women so they can decide with all the facts if they wish to stay away from you and your “system” or not. So without further adieu I will attempt to do what I’ve set out to do.

You are a Negotiator

When I was in Corporate USA, I went to a training seminar once on negotiation. It pretty much reinforced what I’d leaned from a wizened old man in the garment industry years before. That is, one needs to determine how quickly or not one wants to sell something and set his or her price to meet the initial criteria. Someone, somewhere will want what you’re selling and at your price. I will say they articulated when to know you are being negotiated with better than my mentor. Here’s their well worded wisdom: If someone offers to buy what your selling and they say ANYTHING other than, “Here’s my money; hand me my keys.” you are being negotiated with. Did you get that? Any further conditions or qualifications means you are being negotiated with.

A. With the above in mind, when you say you don’t want full service because you get that satisfied outside the hobby like you do below. The assumption that you have confirmed is you are looking for a discount based on the fact that you do not want to have intercourse with the lady. We’ll address this later below.





B. In this example, you are negotiating further – well more like panhandling actually – when you say that you have limited funds.



NOTES on A and B: I really like the way you put your negotiation requirements in parenthesis as if they are an after thought and not really hard and fast deal killers.

I’m not saying that negotiation per say is bad. I had an Off the Clock option that rendered this type of, in your case I’ll use, “parlay” unnecessary. And there is always plenty of room to reach an understanding for extended or travel engagements, patronage and grandfathering. However, unless you are a blow and go client, which we all know you definitely are not, I do not feel there is room to negotiate with your scenario. Which brings us to talking point number two.

You Shoplift


Let me start by saying, I’m kind of like a snake in that I can practically unhinge my jaw. And no, I do not share the fangs and venom characteristics with snakes though some may think so LOL. That does not mean I want to suck your dick for a solid hour. I don’t know any of the traveling ladies that didn’t know anything about your “system”, but I know some of the locals. You misrepresent yourself. Trust me. No lady has any expectation of staying down on you for an hour. In most engagements the activities vary. This way, no any one person or part gets tired or in this little drama abused. We all know you fancy yourself a dom. Personally, I think this is just part of your shtick or game you play. It’s not very funny, and if the lady in question isn’t into subbing, it’s abusive.

On top of being abusive, given you’ve promised a slot on your famous "List” and you review, the lady is coerced into cooperating with your demands. I can assure you, Blowpop – and thank you for making up your own nick name – no lady wants to blow you for an hour and if not for the fact that you can dramatically effect their income at least short time, they put up with it. I’ve noticed that most of you list is new (or they were ten years ago when you added them to your “List”) or traveling ladies that are here to make money or loose money based on one little ole review.

For these reason, and to recap: you take what the lady has no reasonable expectation of selling. Some may call it coercion – well I did; some may call it pilfering; some may call it something else all together; but I call it shoplifting.

You Market Yourself as a Whore


Most men just go get some sugar. They decide what their criteria is. They seek a lady out. They contact her with an offer of money not some kind of fame thingie. And they follow through. You seem either above that, incapable of that, too cheep to do that or are too abusive to do that. Most men don't advertise their services as a semi-pro marketer of blow jobs for women. In fact most men don't sell anything. They are procurers of said services not the other way around.

By leaving the tenth slot open like ALWAYS you are advertising – I’d call it trolling – for your next blow job – I’d call it victim. You have no intention of ever filling slot number Ten. Thus you are always marketing your skills as blow job receiver and blow job marketer. You actually don't just advertise; you have a whole marketing campaign.

The way you get women to beg for a chance to be on your never ending Tenth slot is you word your ads like below.



You even try to get other men to pimp for you when you say things like this:



If a lady feels like prying her mouth open for an hour and for half or less of her rate then by all means she should see you or any other panhandler or shoplifter for an offer to be one of nine on a list of ten.

Thus ends my analysis of your three pronged approach to discounted and or free pussy wrought with pearls of wisdom. Perhaps, as I’ve outlined, these reasons are why your “system” always seems to be under attack.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Just in case

Theirs or yours? I'm all for discussing................... Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

This should be interesting. I'll approach this with an open mind, even though the hostility of your post is coming through loud and clear.

(I've edited your post in an attempt for a tiny degree of brevity. I've done my best not to change the meaning of anything you wrote, but if I did, I apologize in advance.)

You are a Negotiator

If someone offers to buy what your selling and they say ANYTHING other than, “Here’s my money; hand me my keys.” you are being negotiated with. Did you get that? Any further conditions or qualifications means you are being negotiated with. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

"Negotiation" is a loaded term in the hobby. Many view it as a negative. But the reality that I've observed over my years as a participant is that many providers offer different rates -- and other providers are incensed by the idea.

When I contact a provider, I ask her what her current rates are. Because they're often not fixed. I want to pay the provider what she wants to earn, as long as it's within my budget. (If it's not, I don't see her.)

For some, rate varies only based on time of appointment. For others, rates vary for other reasons. It could be the time of the month, it could be that bookings are slow. It could be that they like a particular client, or that he's a regular. It could be for the services to be offered (more for greek, less for FBSM only.)

A. With the above in mind, when you say you don’t want full service because you get that satisfied outside the hobby like you do below. The assumption that you have confirmed is you are looking for a discount based on the fact that you do not want to have intercourse with the lady. We’ll address this later below. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Discount? No. Many providers offer different rates for different kinds of sessions. Some even detail this on their websites. Since I don't do full service with providers, I'm obviously not going to pay the full service price IF THE PROVIDER OFFERS FRENCH-ONLY OPTIONS.

That's not negotiating. That's choosing from a menu. Or would you suggest I pay the price of a full steak dinner in a restaurant if I'm going in for just for the salad, and a salad is listed on the menu?

And here's something you may not know: There are a lot of providers out there who do offer these non-full-service sessions. (Often marketed as FBSM, for example) And they're rarely as expensive as full service sessions. For guys like me who don't do full service with providers, this is appealing.

Not all provider advertise these sessions. Some offer them only when "aunt flo" is in town. I don't see the downside to asking tactfully if these types of sessions are offered, although a handful of providers get very testy if asked. (I've found that these providers typically aren't the ones with attitudes that make them much fun BCD.)

Certainly some providers don't offer anything other than her full service rate. In that case, I determine if what she's asking is something I'm willing to pay to spend time with her. If it is, I schedule. If not, I move on.

B. In this example, you are negotiating further – well more like panhandling actually – when you say that you have limited funds. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Panhandling? Give me a break.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Every time I post my list I get a number of e-mails from providers asking why I've not come to see them. Some are downright belligerent - as if I owe it to them to spend my time and money with them so they can try to earn a spot on my list. I've explained more times than I can count that my sessions are limited by three factors: My available time, my available budget, and which providers I find appealing. It gets old, and isn't much fun.

(I'm more than a bit uncomfortable pushing back when the "find appealing" part is lacking with a particular provider - unlike some members here, I don't like insulting women, and would prefer to avoid hurt feelings when possible. Consequence of being raised in the South, no doubt.)

So I've learned that by adding that disclaimer to the list, providers aren't as pushy about "You have to try me now!" and I avoid most of the unpleasantness. A few providers whom I've never scheduled with have become friends over the years.

NOTES on A and B: I really like the way you put your negotiation requirements in parenthesis as if they are an after thought and not really hard and fast deal killers. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

There are no hard and fast deal killers for me. For every provider I determine how badly I want to meet her, and thus how much I'm willing to pay her. If my number and hers line up, I call her. If they don't, I don't contact her. If she contacts me with an offer that's appealing, we schedule.

You Shoplift

You misrepresent yourself. Trust me. No lady has any expectation of staying down on you for an hour. In most engagements the activities vary. This way, no any one person or part gets tired or in this little drama abused. We all know you fancy yourself a dom. Personally, I think this is just part of your shtick or game you play. It’s not very funny, and if the lady in question isn’t into subbing, it’s abusive. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Give me a break, Olivia. I've never had a session with you, so you have nothing to go by but gossip.

Sessions vary. A lot. Some are very GFE, with lots of activities (other than actual intercourse or greek). DATY in particular is a favorite of mine when I'm in the mood and she's clean and fresh.

Some sessions trend more with me being serviced, for lack of a better term. It all depends on the chemistry and how things are flowing. Some providers pride themselves on their French abilities, and they want to put on a performance. I certainly don't stop them unless I'm wanting to move to something else for a while.

But I want to make something perfectly clear: I do not ever force a woman to do something against her will. Some providers have a submissive side, and that's fun to explore, but it has to be something she chooses to explore.

On top of being abusive, given you’ve promised a slot on your famous "List” and you review, the lady is coerced into cooperating with your demands. I can assure you, Blowpop – and thank you for making up your own nick name – no lady wants to blow you for an hour and if not for the fact that you can dramatically effect their income at least short time, they put up with it. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I promise a slot on my list to no one. And I'm not sure how "famous" it is. All it is is a list of my favorite providers - the ones I can recommend without hesitation to anyone who shares my preferences. There's nothing special about my list, other than the fact that some guys find my recommended providers to deliver sessions they enjoy.

I’ve noticed that most of you list is new (or they were ten years ago when you added them to your “List”) or traveling ladies that are here to make money or loose money based on one little ole review. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Really? Because I rarely see providers that aren't based in Houston. I've found that in general, providers based in town provide a superior experience. Repeat business matters to them. I'm curious - which providers on my list do you consider to be traveling ladies?

For these reason, and to recap: you take what the lady has no reasonable expectation of selling. Some may call it coercion – well I did; some may call it pilfering; some may call it something else all together; but I call it shoplifting. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

That's rather dramatic. And false. I enjoy what is offered to me, and pay the provider what she asks for it.

I do have to wonder why you're so bitter about a hobbyist who simply posts a list every few months of his favorites. Perhaps because you're not amongst them?

You Market Yourself as a Whore Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Most men just go get some sugar. They decide what their criteria is. They seek a lady out. They contact her with an offer of money not some kind of fame thingie. And they follow through. You seem either above that, incapable of that, too cheep to do that or are too abusive to do that. Most men don't advertise their services as a semi-pro marketer of blow jobs for women. In fact most men don't sell anything. They are procurers of said services not the other way around. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

That's funny. I think you ascribe way too much influence to my list of favorites. If I were going to do some sort of marketing service for providers, I'd go about it rather differently:

1. I'd publish the list more regularly, like clockwork.
2. I'd publish it on more hobby boards, and probably give it its own website
3. I'd charge for my services.

By leaving the tenth slot open like ALWAYS you are advertising – I’d call it trolling – for your next blow job – I’d call it victim. You have no intention of ever filling slot number Ten. Thus you are always marketing your skills as blow job receiver and blow job marketer. You actually don't just advertise; you have a whole marketing campaign. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

If COURSE I'm always looking for my next blowjob. I'm a guy who loves blowjobs! And I enjoy them from different women. I find the hobby to be the perfect way to satisfy this desire.

And I have filled the list before. My problem lately is that providers are retiring faster than I find those that I can recommend wholeheartedly. (It's rare than I can hobby more than once or twice a month, and most of the providers I see can't be reviewed on Eccie.) A Top 10 List is a nice round number, so that's the goal.

"Victim". Amazing term for a woman who makes her own decision. Do you view all providers this way?

Thus ends my analysis of your three pronged approach to discounted and or free pussy wrought with pearls of wisdom. Perhaps, as I’ve outlined, these reasons are why your “system” always seems to be under attack. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Thanks.

One thing you might have missed is that my list hasn't been "under attack" until I got fed up with the public antics of a few of our more noisy members, and called them out. Then I became persona non grata with the bad attitude brigade, and their followers started piling on.

I guess they need some sort of drama. As apparently do you. But I've tried to answer your points openly and honestly.

Why thank you Sir...

I get a warm and fuzzy every time a member wants to recognize me or one of my fellow moderators for excelling at this thankless job, your AWESOME Originally Posted by DickEmDown

+1