Trump admits he’s actively blocking funds to the USPS to thwart mail in voting. — blames Democrats of course

  • Tiny
  • 08-21-2020, 11:15 PM
You're not allowed to do this. According to the DNC talking points, he is a large Trump donor and nothing more. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn
He's got a pretty good pedigree for this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

Most of his career was spent with New Breed Logistics and XPO Logistics. In other words, dealing with shipment and movement of materials and goods, doing a lot of what the Postal Service does, only more efficiently and at a higher level.
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The Postal Service Democrats

Forget the sturdy Democratic donkey. Nancy Pelosi has changed her party’s logo to a post office.

By Daniel Henninger
Aug. 19, 2020 6:54 pm ET

An eon ago, Nancy Pelosi entered national politics as the host committee chairwoman of the 1984 Democratic National Convention in San Francisco. Other than sending former Vice President Walter Mondale to defeat by Ronald Reagan (Mr. Mondale carried one state, his own, plus the District of Columbia), the convention survives in memory only for being branded by Jeane Kirkpatrick at the Republican convention as “the San Francisco Democrats.” Never has so much political derision filled eight syllables as “the San Francisco Democrats.”

So it is astonishing to see Speaker Pelosi in the twilight of her career as party leader presiding over a political convention in the same week that she transformed her party into the Postal Service Democrats.

Being on vacation last week, I took a few days to focus on the fact that the Democrats were indeed betting the party’s public standing on a nonstop defense of, believe it or not, the post office.

Mrs. Pelosi gave a press conference in front of a San Francisco post office, at a lectern draped with the Democrats’ new logo: “#DontMessWithUSPS.” She is requiring Democratic House members to abandon their re-election campaigns and return to Washington this weekend to vote $25 billion in spending for the post office.

Probably every adult in the U.S. has a favorite post-office story. Mine is the letter delivered here in New York City from a woman in California addressed to her friend in . . . Sacramento. At least the numbers on the street address were the same. I mailed it back to her.

After years of Russian collusion, Ukraine and impeachment, the Democrats have arrived at saying that Donald Trump—in his apparently limitless infamy—is now intent on destroying the U.S. Postal Service so that he can “sabotage” mail-in voting and steal the election.

Joe Biden, who earlier said he would order the military to remove Mr. Trump from the White House if necessary, claimed from a Delaware fever swamp that the president was responsible for “tractor trailers picking up mailboxes.”

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, an unimpeachably reliable guide to where the party winds are blowing, said: “An attack on our Postal Service, and an attempt to dismantle our Postal Service, out of a selfish desire to sabotage our democracy, and maintain a grip on power, is an attack on all of us.”

Now that the Democrats have adopted the Postal Service as a party paragon, voters are obliged to consider the implications.

At their convention, the Democrats have elevated an array of policy goals—eliminating fossil fuels in 15 years and making health care “affordable” for everyone and public college “free.”

No such grandiose goal is required of the Postal Service, whose single task is delivering envelopes or boxes from here to there. Still, with the post office now coequal with the donkey as the Democratic Party logo, it’s worth considering where they are taking us.

It means that for all the airborne rhetoric of their convention speakers, the Democratic Party in power will settle for doing less. A lot less.

It means the benchmark of achievement for the party’s programs isn’t excellence but something more akin to mail delivery. It means they have no interest in setting incentives to improve. And no matter how many years, or decades, pass of subpar performance, there will be no serious effort at reform. Reform is “sabotage.”

The USPS has seven unions, which makes the idea of effective management an oxymoron. Work-rule modernization, such as ending overtime abuse, can’t happen. Structural inefficiency becomes the norm, as do massive operational deficits.

California is experiencing rolling power blackouts this week because the state’s alternative-energy subsidies suppress efficient changeovers to natural-gas plants, which have closed. When the breakdown of the power supply came, Gov. Gavin Newsom blamed the grid operators.

No surprise that when Postmaster General Louis DeJoy tried to put in place reforms recognized as necessary years ago, Mrs. Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer forced him to revoke them. Don’t expect the party’s wind farms to be run any more efficiently.

Speaker Pelosi is making her members vote $25 billion for the Postal Service just as her urban counterparts are voting to defund police departments in Seattle; Portland, Ore.; Austin, Texas; New York; Los Angeles; Baltimore and Philadelphia. Joe Biden is upset about at-risk mailboxes, but don’t expect him to say anything in his acceptance speech about children being shot in cities across America.

In San Francisco and New York, the Democratic post-office solution to homelessness caused by addictions or mental illness is to ship these people from one neighborhood to another, with no real effort to fix the problem.

U.S. students in K-12 underperform their foreign counterparts in standardized tests year after year. So just as people use FedEx now to ensure timely delivery, parents put their kids in private, parochial or charter schools to bypass the post-office-like public schools. Naturally the Biden-Sanders Unity Task Force proposes to suppress that competition.

The San Francisco Democrats represented only a slice of America. The Postal Service Democrats will subsume the entire country into an ethos of mediocrity.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pos...ts-11597877645
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Yup ^^^
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It's very Coincidental that after having been in office almost 4 years that Trump chooses now to recognize a problem with the Post Office and choose to move expediently to correct it.

The Post Office has never been self-sustaining and has always needed subsidizing.

Otherwise mailing a letter would cost $ 10 a stamp.

I guess he equates this to be the equivalent of the Covid pandemic and the Unemployment and the Economy and the Civil Unrest.

It seems like a Putin type move to further infringe on the legitimate vote.He doesn't want anyone to vote.He wants to limit the vote and when he doesn't win he is going to challenge the results and send our country into further disarray.He is no statesman.
  • Tiny
  • 08-24-2020, 11:28 AM
It's very Coincidental that after having been in office almost 4 years that Trump chooses now to recognize a problem with the Post Office and choose to move expediently to correct it.

The Post Office has never been self-sustaining and has always needed subsidizing.

Otherwise mailing a letter would cost $ 10 a stamp.

I guess he equates this to be the equivalent of the Covid pandemic and the Unemployment and the Economy and the Civil Unrest.

It seems like a Putin type move to further infringe on the legitimate vote.He doesn't want anyone to vote.He wants to limit the vote and when he doesn't win he is going to challenge the results and send our country into further disarray.He is no statesman. Originally Posted by sportfisherman
The Postmaster General is implementing needed changes. You are correct though, in that this is something that should have been done years ago. It might not take as much as you think to fix the problem. The postal service runs about $9 billion a year in the red and delivers 146 billion pieces of mail per year. So maybe you just increase the price of every piece of mail by $.07.
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The operative phrase is should have been done years ago.
I'm all for needed changes.
Coupled with a push to do things electronically such as e-mail,on-line banking,etc.
It's just Trump's recognition,suddenly,that there is a problem coupled with the urgent need to address it,suddenly,is the problem.

It's quite transparent.

Does anyone believe that it is anything other than what it is , a blatant attempt to suppress the vote and to cast further aspersions to vote by mail ?
How many ways will this rotten bag of garbage try to derail his overthrow?

On behalf of all of us in the Great White North, your country needs to clean it up!

This guy will end up on Mount Flushmore and well deserveds.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...S-bailout.html

Trump accuses Dems of 'sabotaging Post Office' after saying he is blocking $25 billion USPS bailout

Donald Trump attacked Democrats Wednesday for wanting to 'sabotage the Post Office' by pushing for more money to fund universal mail-in voting measures in November.

'The Democrats are sabotaging the Post Office because they're not approving $25 billion that was requesting,' the president said during a press briefing, likely referencing Democrats blocking the GOP proposed coronavirus relief package last month.

'So they're sabotaging the Post Office and then not allowing the Post Office to function properly. And they're certainly not allowing mail-in votes when they do that,' Trump confusingly argued since it is Democrats who are pushing for remote voting measures.

Trump also said during his White HOuse press briefing Wednesday evening that Democrats are wanting $25 billion in funding for the Post Office in the next coronavirus relief package is 'politically' motivated because it will bolster the USPS ahead of mass amounts of ballots flooding their offices.

'They also want $25 billion additional for the Post Office… so the Post Office can handle this vast amount of ballots that are being sent at random all over the place,' the president lamented of Democrats.

'They have no idea where they're going,' he continued.

'Now they want to take it countrywide – mail-in voting,' Trump said after railing against recent failures with mail-in voting leading to confusion over who actually won.

Trump claims Dems 'sabotaging' USPS by not agreeing COVID package

Donald Trump decried Democrats on Wednesday, confusingly claiming they are 'sabotaging the Post Office' by asking for more money to bolster the USPS for mail-in voting

'It's going to be the greatest fraud in the history of elections,' he continued, pointing to Democrats as the biggest threat rather than foreign entities trying to interfere in the elections.

'When you always talk about Russia, Russia, Russia, China, Iran on voting. Your biggest problem is going to be with the Democrats not with China, Russia and Iran,' he said, reiterating: 'Your biggest problem is going to be with the Democrats.'

During his briefing, the president claimed that it would be impossible for Democrats to force nationwide mail-in ballots if they don't get the money for it through another piece of sweeping stimulus legislation.

Trump has long expressed his displeasure with the proposal that all American voters cast their ballots by mail in November in light of the prevailing coronavirus pandemic.

The president has claimed moving the country to those fully-remote measures would increase the likelihood of fraud and disproportionately benefit Democrats.

He suggested Wednesday that he would not sign off on a relief bill that allocates billions going towards mail-in voting.

'They turned down this bill because they want radical left agenda items that nobody in their right mind would approve,' Trump said of Democrats refusing to agree to the GOP bill proposed at the end of last month.

'The bill's not going to happen because they don't even want to talk about it because we can't give them the kind of ridiculous things that they want that have nothing to do with the China virus,' he said, again referencing mail-in voting and money for the Post Office.

'So therefore, they don't have the money to do the universal mail-in voting, so therefore they can't do it, I guess, right?' he proposed. 'Are they going to do it even though they don't have the money?'

Trump listed measures Democrats have demanded be part of the next bill, even as negotiations collapsed on Capitol Hill last week.

'So they want $25 billion and they want – think of this – they want $3.5 billion, would you say that's enough to cover it? I think we could do it or less,' he said.

Democrats are demanding $25 billion for USPS to bolster its staff and capabilities – and the party also wants $3.5 billion specifically allocated toward mail-in voting so the Post Office can handle a higher-than-usual volume of critical mail.

'I think we could do it for less,' Trump insisted. 'But they want $35 billion for the Post Office because of this.'

He also put his trust in new Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, who just took lead at the USPS in mid-June of this year.

'And remember, the new man who is a great person, a great businessman – just got there a little while ago,' Trump said of DeJoy, claiming the Post Office was previously 'run poorly for many, many decades.' Originally Posted by HoeHummer
Not an overthrow. It's called combating crime. Liberals will find an opportunity to commit a crime every chance they get. They've used the Media for years to cover up their criminal antics now they want to use the post office to encourage some more of their bullshit. You have to recognize the true enemy apparently Trump does.
  • Tiny
  • 08-24-2020, 12:38 PM
Does anyone believe that it is anything other than what it is , a blatant attempt to suppress the vote and to cast further aspersions to vote by mail ? Originally Posted by sportfisherman
Please take a look at post #61 higher in this thread. I think it's coincidental, a timing issue. Also, if Trump truly did intend to hamstring the postal service to stop vote by mail, it's unlikely to happen. It would probably play out like prosecuting Hillary Clinton -- cooler heads will prevail. I'm basing this in part on the Postmaster General's comments during a Senate hearing. Taking him at his word, and he was pretty convincing, the postal service is going to do its best to make sure there aren't problems delivering votes that are mailed.
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That's where we disagree.I was being sarcastic with the coincidence thing.
I think it's obviously intentional.
I'm not saying it will work.But it's intentional.

Post # 61 was by I don't know who. Didn't seem to be pertinent.
  • Tiny
  • 08-24-2020, 01:21 PM
That's where we disagree.I was being sarcastic with the coincidence thing.
I think it's obviously intentional.
I'm not saying it will work.But it's intentional.

Post # 61 was by I don't know who. Didn't seem to be pertinent. Originally Posted by sportfisherman
You're right Sportfisherman, sorry about that, it was post #71. I saw the Postmaster General on television and he was pretty convincing,

The Postmaster General was on television today, at a Senate Hearing. Unless his talent at bull shitting is off the scale, the guy's doing a better job than his predecessors. He only came into the job in June, and brought a wealth of experience, in the private sector as well as one $3 billion project done for the postal service in the 1990's. He's implemented a plan to increase on time deliver from 88% to 97%, and to cut costs, the majority of which will come from less overtime, by $2.5 billion per year. There have been some hitches in implementing the plan, resulting in some of the complaints you're reading about. But certain aspects of it are being put on hold until after the election. The postal service is going to do its best to ensure timely delivery of mail come election time. Lusty Lad pointed out in another thread that maybe 150 million votes will be cast this year. One Senator pointed out that the week of December 16, the Post office delivered 2.6 billion pieces of mail. Considering voting will occur over a 2 month period, 150 million pieces of mail are nothing.

The postal service is losing $9 billion a year and is expected to lose $240 billion over the next 10 years, according to the Postmaster General. It's hamstrung by stupid rules, like having to deliver 6 days a week in remote rural areas. The Postmaster General sounds like he's really on top of it, and after the election Biden would be wise to keep him on and Congress would be wise to do something about the stupid mandates that cause the Postal Service to bleed red ink. Originally Posted by Tiny
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Well, another made up story, Turns out Obama was the instigator in this, which is probably one of the few things he did right!!! Well, the USPO is a huge money loser every year!!! Quit defending it and wanting to blame Trump for “ defunding “ it!!!
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It's not a "made up" story.
What it is ; Out of the blue.Like 2 months before the election. After Trump had already begun to whine and cry about mail-in voting.
He very suddenly makes the astute observation that the Post Office is not self-sustaining.
Having made the observation of such it suddenly becomes a Right Now thing.

Obama is not president anymore and has not been for 4 years.
The year is 2020. Not 2016.
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It's not a "made up" story.
What it is; Out of the blue. Like 2 months before the election. After Trump had already begun to whine and cry about mail-in voting. Originally Posted by sportfisherman
Listen, you dummy - it IS a made-up story. It's being peddled by left-wing conspiracy nuts to gullible fools like you. Trump has tweeted and complained about the USPS many times since taking office. With Louis DeJoy, he has someone in there who knows a lot about operating efficiency and turning loss-making enterprises around, if the 7 USPS unions don't block his every move. The only thing "out of the blue" is libtards making up stories about trump trying to steal the election. The Postal Service is always removing under-utilized mailboxes. Any box that averages less than 25 items a day is a candidate. They removed 14,000 boxes during obama's second term. Now DeJoy has promised to put the streamlining on hold until after the election, just to satisfy morons like you who see a conspiracy under every rock. You obviously aren't very smart or good with numbers if you think we need to raise first-class postal rates to $10.00 a letter in order to break even. Tiny pointed that out to you, but you're too dumb to acknowledge it. When trump says something stupid, you always take the bait and say something even stupider.
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You are so right ! I wish Trump would stop saying and doing stupid things then I may not follow suit.

Certainly I was exaggerating on the $ 10 stamps.The point is that it has never and probably never will be completely self-sustaining.

My problem is with the timing and the intent.

Dummy,Gullible Fool,Libtards,Moron,Aren't Very Smart,No Good with Numbers,,Too Dumb.

You think I should enroll in Trump University ?
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what is the USPS doing with 7 unions?