Where are the Classy Girls? Also, Tips for Gentlemen

"A gentleman is a man of wealth and leisure by definition a gentle man is not. If we were in England, you would need to be of noble birth or titled to be called a gentleman. A gentle man is any kind hearted sot."

Thank you for straightening that out for me. I have labored for years under the delusion that I was a gentleman. I now see that I was disqualified at birth. Originally Posted by watchoutthegameisrigged

Don't take it to hard -- I too am I gentle man -- however I aspire to be a gentleman one day the key ingredient I lack is the wealth and leisure. I still work very hard for my money everyday. I do not think the noble birth requirement is very important here in the states - but - perhaps the Kennedys, Rockefellers, Rothschilds etc might disagree on that point.

Please TravelingGent. Not trying to be argumentative, but, I do like reality. I see you are struggling with it. A gentleman of the caliber you are describing wouldn't have any trouble finding an elegant, beautiful, personal woman to be with on a full time basis.

Indeed, you express yourself in an elegant way, but, that doesn't make you of the caliber you would like for the ladies to believe. I smell a facade. Good luck with your continued prose, the elegance of your pen, but your still paying for the ladies company. You can put any title on yourself that you like as long as you bring cash.

You might be more interested in a SB. There is a forum for that in this forum as well.

As argumentative as some of this may sound, I think I can completely relate to what your looking for. And, all I am saying, is you very well may find it here. The duration of that relationship, is likely to have a direct correlation to your bank roll. With that said, best of luck Traveling Gentleman, I hope you find what you are looking for.

Please TravelingGent. Not trying to be argumentative, but, I do like reality. I see you are struggling with it. A gentleman of the caliber you are describing wouldn't have any trouble finding an elegant, beautiful, personal woman to be with on a full time basis. Originally Posted by Mr. Green Jeans

Unless a gentleman is married? Imagine a marriage where you two are basically the ideal roommates, save there is no romantic activity between the two of you. That sort of situation calls for discretion, not a full-time companion.

I think that there are many men on here who share a similar issue.

""""Imagine a marriage where you two are basically the ideal roommates, save there is no romantic activity between the two of you. That sort of situation calls for discretion, not a full-time companion"""".


Well said Traveling Gent. On that point we can agree. I still think however, you have a higher probability of finding what you're looking for in a SB. Good luck!

A couple of random thoughts on why most escorts don't offer a severely discounted rate for initial non-BCD meetings:

1) They stay busy without offering it. Even though some guys would like it they don't need to do it to drum up business.

2) There is this cumbersome legal thing. You are saying you charge only for your time then you have a different price list for meeting for drinks and BCD? Becomes difficult for some to articulate in advertising.

3) Your "fixed costs" for a date -- screening, getting ready (e.g. looking nice), time spent getting to/from the date, etc. are the same...in fact if you aren't just taking your clothes off the getting ready part might actually take more time.

4) Most guys really don't want just a dinner date (yeah there is a market for it but it is disproportionately small; those that really do can pay for it).

5) What most guys would like (myself included, why not?) would be a more economical way of finding out if we like her, she looks as advertised, etc. but we'd also like free unicorn rides, right? Do your research, interact with her (phone, email, etc.) & book her shorter session and see how it goes. You win some you lose some. (Obviously if she has grossly misrepresented herself and the person at the door isn't who you expected you aren't under any obligation to stay or pay).

6) Many ladies are better at BCD than Dinner Conversation anyway and would prefer BCD than having to actually interact with a strange man for half an hour or an hour with their clothes on.

Thanks for your post. I have throughly enjoyed reading it. It is very insightful. We could all lean from your post.

Hugs,
juliette

As a follow-up post, I see the word "gentleman" abused to describe just about every male entry into the species homo sapien. I hereby reclaim the word to it's secondary definition, of a civilized, educated, sensitive man that is well-mannered: Gentleman. I'll pass on the actual definition, which had/has to do with English gentry and medieval aristocracy.

Since I just ranted about what a lady and a companion is, here's the requirements of being a gentleman:


-If you don't own a suit and tie, you've just disqualified yourself.
-Likewise, if you don't know how to tie your own tie, you've just disqualified yourself.
-Shine your shoes. Seriously, shine them. Or pony up $10 to have someone at the hotel or airport do it for you.
-Likewise, owning a poorly tailored suit and tie don't count either. A slick-haired salesman wearing a cheap suit who works at a cell phone booth in the mall is *not* on is way to the gentry.
-Tip well. 20% isn't a good tip, it's a reasonable tip. A good tip is slipping the bartender a $20 for taking the time to let you sample a couple of wines. If your food was excellent - ravingly excellent, ask your server to see the manager, and ask the manager to speak to the cook so that you can compliment him. Tip the cook. Your tip to the cook or the bartender has nothing to do with what you tip your server. You don't always *have* to tip - bad service shouldn't be rewarded.
-Open doors. Don't rush to doors to open them and make it awkward, but you should naturally tend to reach for the door to open it for someone. And not just your date, or a woman - everyone.
-Dress to Impress. Dinner dates should be business casual at a minimum. What happens behind closed doors in the bedroom, BDSM, chains, whips, gimp suits, needs to be completely separate from your immaculate social presentation.
-Know where you are. You should always be respectful of the culture you are in. When you travel internationally, learn some of the local customs, write down a few important phrases in the native language - try the local cuisine (and I don't mean the tourist traps, like century eggs and fish eyes in China).
-Ask good questions. Not philosophical musings about the universe, but solid questions with a foundation in the conversation of those around you that demonstrate that you not only listen, but also want to more fully understand and share - that you want to vicariously share someone else's experiences through their explanation of it to you.
-Professional and Polite. NEVER lose your temper. A gentleman's worst enemy should never know that they are loathed, because you are friendly, charming, and respectful to everyone.
-Learn new languages. For Americans, our country is a melting pot of diverse nationalities and languages. English, Spanish, Mandarin, Vietnamese, Korean...and if you travel abroad, more Spanish, Portugese, French, German, Italian, Japanese...know how to master a few phrases is many languages.
-Hello.
-Goodbye.
-Please.
-Thank you.
-How much / The bill please.
-You look lovely.

While most people in metropolitan areas speak English, and it is the most universal language we have, the attempt at the most basic demonstration of your WILLINGNESS to learn and embrace a language and culture not your own are key.
-Don't brag. Not about your conquests with women, not about your money or possessions or skills - it's unseemly. Sharing a story about a victory or triumph (obstacles overcome, work triumph) is one thing, but on the bragging front, don't ever.
-Thirst for knowledge.

And finally...know your audience. Spend more time listening than talking, and learn about those around you. Don't use profanity if your company doesn't. Don't bring up subjects for discussion that your company has understanding or interest in (unless, specifically for the purposes of this forum you are PAYING them to be interested).

Being a man doesn't make you a gentleman. I'd daresay that there are few women who actually desire a gentleman, but at least know what the difference is. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

Skimming through this post something that inspired me was the idea of a separate rate for a "meet and greet" non-play date. I think this is a great idea for gents who might want to meet me but are not sure how far they want to take the date initially. I would love to hear how other ladies offer such a date and rates/hours around doing this? Originally Posted by Sitara Devi

I offer a meet and greet for a donation rate of $125.00 an hour. This works great for newbies as well.

Hugs,
Juliette

Skimming through this post something that inspired me was the idea of a separate rate for a "meet and greet" non-play date. I think this is a great idea for gents who might want to meet me but are not sure how far they want to take the date initially. I would love to hear how other ladies offer such a date and rates/hours around doing this? Originally Posted by Sitara Devi

I've been offering social outings for $50 this summer (sample ad: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...378&highlight= ) . I've really been enjoying them!

It's a nice way to get over the first-date/blind-date jitters.

Here's a mini-review of one: (post #70: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...post1056826961 )

In case you're curious, this is what I look like fully dressed

I haven't inquired with any ladies that ask for references, because I have none to offer.


Fair point insofar that you take into consideration that from my limited perspective here, most women aren't willing to provide additional photos. You'll provide an unblurred photo of your nether regions to the public - will you provide an unblurred photo of your face to someone in private?

I daresay that no one cares how your butt looks, aside from grooming. Whether I want to spend time in public with someone has zero to do with your kitty, and everything to do with your face. Looking at your own showcase, you're not smiling in a single photo - even with your face blurred. Which do you think a gentleman cares about?




I'm not acquainted with the seedy underbelly of...things...but no - I *can't* understand why a woman wouldn't want to meet a man at a public venue, surrounded by many strangers, where shenanigans cause problems for everyone. It is just as important for a gentleman to interview and screen a lady as it is for a lady to screen a gentleman.

Again, we're talking about ladies and gentlemen here, not johns and prostitutes. If you can't understand the difference between them, then I don't have anything further to add. Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

I would say despite my "trashy selfies" and my blocked out face, I am quite a classy lady. I am on my way to a masters degree in Speech Pathology. I would be morified if I ever was discovered in the hobby. So yes, should I have some "classier pictures" alongside my attitude, yes. However, I am not the definition of upscale mainly because men in this hobby want the sluttier girl in bed. Sure doesn't mean I am one outside of one. Most all of my reviews have mention to good conversation In them, but men especially here on ECCIE, are looking for mind blowing times with fun ladies. So, that's who we are. That being said, most of ladies at one point or another have tried "sugar daddy" type relations, whereas you are describing more or less of, is more of a fantasy for a lot of us that have failed. If I thought a man would want this type of relationship, obviously I would go for that rather than the latter.You sir are the male version of a "unicorn." Hence why most of us are on here. You are on a prostitute/john site more than a SD site.

Aha! I should change my title to "Male Unicorn." Malicorn?

Aha! I should change my title to "Male Unicorn." Malicorn? Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

I would definitely say so myself. Us ladies look for this daily, that's where we give up and go the other route!!

This has been a very interesting read.

I agree, very interesting read.

I would say despite my "trashy selfies" and my blocked out face, I am quite a classy lady. I am on my way to a masters degree in Speech Pathology. I would be morified if I ever was discovered in the hobby. So yes, should I have some "classier pictures" alongside my attitude, yes. However, I am not the definition of upscale mainly because men in this hobby want the sluttier girl in bed. Sure doesn't mean I am one outside of one. Most all of my reviews have mention to good conversation In them, but men especially here on ECCIE, are looking for mind blowing times with fun ladies. So, that's who we are. That being said, most of ladies at one point or another have tried "sugar daddy" type relations, whereas you are describing more or less of, is more of a fantasy for a lot of us that have failed. If I thought a man would want this type of relationship, obviously I would go for that rather than the latter.You sir are the male version of a "unicorn." Hence why most of us are on here. You are on a prostitute/john site more than a SD site. Originally Posted by SpiceInTucson

I would definitely say so myself. Us ladies look for this daily, that's where we give up and go the other route!! Originally Posted by SpiceInTucson

I couldn't agree more with SIT. With the SD site, a lot of times can take many years before meeting just the right SB that you have chemistry with and can trust. I have been on many SD sites and have met a few. But I've also seem way to many promises that aren't met. Most SD, no matter there age, look for the younger (arm candy type). If I was giving the opportunity to please and spoil and be spoiled by just one SD....I would most likely not be here. But Eccie is a whole different world in itself.
A lot of the Providers here just might be that classy lady you seek. But again as SIT said, the gentlemen here look for the sluttiest.

I have really enjoyed your definitions of classy vs trashy.
My favorite quote " I want a man that knows
When to open my door, and when to pull
my hair"
You are correct about the suit ownership.
Women have their owning to correct, starting with allowing
the man, to be the man.
Know your audience before dressing up and headed
For a 5* meal. Overdressing is worse than under.,
Unless your date dresses sharp too.
Then you can walk right in with "power" couple
gleaming off.
More to say but screen is tiny.
Will start with a yellow notepad,legal size!
I'm curious to more of your philosophies
on the subject . Gum vs No Gum?
xox Claire.2