What did I say that was not true Bob Smith?
Originally Posted by Trill Jackson
Nukes were not in question. We never once thought they had nuclear weapons. There was a world wide concencous that they were working to develop but there was also a world wide concencous that they did not have nuclear capability, yet.
We did know they had chemical and biological weapons. Some we gave them and some we didn't. They used them against their own people.
I saw the movie yesterday and thought it was just o.k. I thought Bradley Cooper did an excellent job though.
Going into the movie I already knew the story of Chris Kyle, how he died, the case involving Jesse Ventura, etc. I thought the movie too simplistically portrayed "them"as the "bad guys" and the U.S. as the "good guys", when the issues are far more complex than that. Politicians already do too much of that.
I also thought that the movie portrayed how brave our soldiers are and how selflessly they give of themselves.
I didn't leave feeling extra patriotic or more proud to be American anymore than I did when I went in. I already donate to charity and vetrans groups so it didn't remind me or make me think of things that are not already in the front of my mind.
BTW tomorrow is Chris Kyle Day in TX. Your governor made it so.
Happy Chris Kyle day!
To those that served, Thank You!
Nukes were not in question. We never once thought they had nuclear weapons. There was a world wide concencous that they were working to develop but there was also a world wide concencous that they did not have nuclear capability, yet.
We did know they had chemical and biological weapons. Some we gave them and some we didn't. They used them against their own people.
Originally Posted by bobsmith99989
Since the movie is a fictional account of what happened, it doesn't really matter one way or the other what was said or not said in it. Kyle in real life claimed to have found them so you guys are fighting over some kind of weird semantics at best.
Since the movie is a fictional account of what happened, it doesn't really matter one way or the other what was said or not said in it. Kyle in real life claimed to have found them so you guys are fighting over some kind of weird semantics at best.
Originally Posted by slingblade
It was chemical weapons....the book is way better than the movie!
Well, my opinion on this may not be so popular...
*Assuming* that the movie was an accurate account, I have mixed feelings about this guy. He was a very good shot, and a brave soldier, no doubt about that. He protected the US soldiers, and for that he does deserve respect.
However... I don't see this guy as a hero, as being a hero requires more than being a brave soldier. It requires equally honorable behavior off the battle field. This man should not have married, as he neglected his wife and baby to the point that it infuriated me... again, this is assuming that the movie was accurate.
On his wedding day, he's told he's being deployed, and he tells his wife it's a package deal, meaning with him comes his fellow soldiers and the war. I guess this is ok, but it would have been nice if he'd told her that fighting this war was going to take precedence over her and his baby, before marrying her. I do realize that the war affected him mentally, but he was all gung ho to go from the get go.
He kept getting sent home, and kept choosing to go back. His wife BEGGED him to stop going back, to stay home with his new family, but for reasons only he will ever know, he chose the war over them, even after seeing that it was breaking his wife's heart. Perhaps he thought that his presence in the war was going to change something, and if he did think this, he was either a narcissist or delusional. He *could* have stayed home with his family, as he'd already done enough.
He decided to go home for good when he couldn't take the combat anymore, and even when he got home, he *still* chose spending time with the military, training snipers, over time with his family... and ultimately this is what got him killed.
I am not a supporter of this war, as nothing is ever going to change in the middle east, and admittedly this may be influencing my opinion. However, even if it is, that doesn't change the fact that this guy was a great soldier, a true patriot, but he was also a shitty husband.
I guess I've been wanting a forum to rant a bit. Before any of you hate on me too much, remember that I did give him credit where due, but I can not go along with calling him a hero.
If you served your country honorably and were instumental in saving your fellow soldiers lives, in my opinion you are a hero. Four tours in any war is going to take its toll on a man. How could it not? His wife did say he was a good father. You can tell in interviews with his wife that she truly loved him and understood his call to service.
Oldhiway, I can't remember if it was on here, or another forum. There was a post that detailed what deviated from the book. Several of the time lines (the wedding versus being deployed for example) were not accurately depicted based upon the book.
One area where I agree your views might be skewing your outlook. When he went home and started working with veterans it wasn't to hang with military people for social reasons. He did it to help them cope with PTSD. Against the war or not, those solders needed help because of decisions out of their control.
You would find the article interesting.
I thought the movie was great, and it helped us comprehend a tiny bit about what our military goes through on our behalf. I think Moore and Rogen are tools for their views. If you disagree with wars, criticize the the corrupt politicians who get us into them, never criticize the professionals who are doing their jobs and putting their lives on the line.
Having said that, movies are movies. They are designed to entertain and they are not documentaries. It does not make him any less brave, or his contribution in Iraq any less significant, but a bit of research makes it clear that Chris Kyle had issues with telling the truth. That has been proven in court. Because of that, I'm not happy with 'Chris Kyle Day'.
I'm not sure I would go with the "this has been proven in court" stance. The case and decision was post death, correct? Hard for someone to defend themselves if they are dead.
I'm not sure I would go with the "this has been proven in court" stance. The case and decision was post death, correct? Hard for someone to defend themselves if they are dead.
Originally Posted by Boltfan
The case was settled after he died but the case was filed and took place while he was alive.
Chris Kyle personally testified in the trial. He was here to defend his lies but he failed.
Got it. I didn't follow it closely.
I am not too keen on the whole Chris Kyle day either, mainly because where do you draw the line?
Not sure how much the Kyle Estate is going to profit from the movie and related exposure, but it was awful funny to have Jesse The Body suing for someone weaving tall tales. A fake wrestler suing for someone embellishing. Ha!
Got it. I didn't follow it closely.
I am not too keen on the whole Chris Kyle day either, mainly because where do you draw the line?
Not sure how much the Kyle Estate is going to profit from the movie and related exposure, but it was awful funny to have Jesse The Body suing for someone weaving tall tales. A fake wrestler suing for someone embellishing. Ha!
Originally Posted by Boltfan
Yeah, Jesse Ventura suing anybody for making stuff up is the definition of irony.
Bradley cooper was awesome. Too much Hollywood messed up the history on this one. Would rather see a dry but accurate documentary on the man.
