Hiroshima Plus Seventy

So in reality Stalin was the biggest beneficiary by the droppings of atomic bombs?

http://dalje.com/en-world/soviet-mov...rts-say/552189

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0802/p17s01-bogn.html Originally Posted by andymarksman

You are an idiot. Nobody is saying anything as stupid as that. Stalin was a fucking opportunist who saw a chance to jump in at the war's end and try to grab some of the spoils that Americans had fought and died for in the bloody Pacific War. He had to accelerate his land grab plans because he knew the A-bomb would hasten Japan's surrender. He wound up seizing the Kurile Islands - does that make him the "biggest beneficiary" of Truman's decision?

Btw, if you bothered to read your own links you would understand the history better:

"Truman hoped to end the Pacific War before the Soviet Union entered the fray against the Japanese, a development that might permit Stalin to obtain territory in Asia or demand a role in America's postwar occupation of Japan."

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it's always easy for the libtard left to second guess everything. it was Churchill's fault to begin with. google the "Naughty list" you fucktard idiot. one could hardly blame him really, as he grew up in the last stages of the death of the British Empire. why is it a surprise he tried to make a pact with Stalin to preserve it? it's what he knew. but it blew up into the Cold War, the only blight on Churchill's legacy.

there is so much stench cumming out of your libtard ass that the stink can be smelled all the way to ..Clarksville. LOL. oh where are you now asshole rider? you fake jew libtard?

while it has cost America greatly to do what we did post WW2, can you imagine the world today if we did not?

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

woomby would be doing his gloryhole gig in a gulag, if the NKVD or KGB didn't discover his predilections before hand and arrange for him to "commit suicide" over his "disgraceful behavior to the Motherland". And he'd be ranting to them about how HE has all the answers to everything and is ONE OF THEM to save his weak, swishy walking, lying ass. Wonder how long he'd last when they found out he's a proponent of "social democracy " ?

Not what you said whiffy, another swing and a miss. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

I'm NOT a swinger, Miss...

I'm a Miss... Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

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So I'm guessing you all know better than Leahy, the SENIOR-most officer on active duty during WW2. A major part of decisions made throughout the war and Chief of Staff. You are all saying that you know more than he did and the short truth of it is, you don't. This is not revisionist history. This is the opinion of someone who would have the unique position of knowing more than just about anyone else on the subject. But you group of mongers know better. Bullshit. Be honest and admit, you don't know better than he did. You don't have access to what he had access to. You weren't there. I'll take his word over any of yours on the subject.

In his memoirs, Admiral William D Leahy, the President’s chief of staff and the top official at meetings of American and British chiefs of staff, minced few words, writing: “The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.” Originally Posted by WombRaider

Eisenhower said the same thing. I'm not going to second guess Truman's decision, but the destruction was unparalleled. Maybe it made us more humble, more reluctant to use that kind of force again. However, the same point could have been made if the Bomb had been dropped on military targets. Dropping them on a civilian population is unforgivable.

U Noe-con cunts can try and rationalize dropping two A-bomb on civilians all u want, while decrying the attacks on 911. It shines a light on ur hypocrisy, if one is wrong. . .both are wrong.

Using the A bomb has justified it being used on us. It's a double edged sword. I just hope it's Detroit.

Btw, I've been to Hiroshima. Nice place. Love Japan and its culture.

I just hope it's Detroit. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

That's sick!

What if someone said they "hope" they bomb the Penthouse Suite at the Palace Inn?

U Noe-con cunts can try and rationalize dropping two A-bomb on civilians all u want, while decrying the attacks on 911. It shines a light on ur hypocrisy, if one is wrong. . .both are wrong. Originally Posted by southtown4488

It's obvious that you are too fuckin' stupid to understand that Pearl Harbor was the real "9/11 event", suckclown. Truman's decision saved millions of Japanese from death and suffering and hundreds of thousands of young American men from death and physical and life-long psychological wounds, suckclown.

BTW, suckclown, you mentally deficient lib-retards are the true, dyed-in-the-wool hypocrites, as you are the intellectual midgets who denigrate the hasty resolution to a war that had already killed millions. Your jackass, alternative scenario necessarily would have meant that hundreds of thousands more would have died and the suffering of millions on the edge of battle would have been prolonged by months, if not years.

"I tell everybody that we, a nation of 100 million patriots who have not known defeat for twenty-six hundred years, will literally turn ourselves into bullets of flesh, confident in the end we will defeat the enemy; and that this is the sort of spirit we must have." Japanese Ambassador Suma, 1943.

"On 9 August 1945, the US dropped the second atomic bomb ever deployed in conflict, hitting the Japanese industrial city of Nagasaki."


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Not necessarily. Eisenhower said the Japanese were ready to surrender. We will never know.

Not necessarily. Eisenhower said the Japanese were ready to surrender. We will never know. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

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"I tell everybody that we, a nation of 100 million patriots who have not known defeat for twenty-six hundred years, will literally turn ourselves into bullets of flesh, confident in the end we will defeat the enemy; and that this is the sort of spirit we must have." Japanese Ambassador Suma, 1943.

In 1945, Emperor Hirohito overcame a military coup to announce Japan’s surrender.

Only the emperor could end the war. To do that, though, he would have to defy his military leaders, knowing that his call for peace would almost certainly inspire a military coup.

When news of the Nagasaki bombing came on August 9, the Supreme War Direction Council reacted not by moving toward peace but by declaring martial law throughout Japan....

Hirohito said he did not believe that his nation could continue to fight a war. There is no transcript of his address, but historians have pieced together accounts of his rambling words. He concluded: “The time has come [after the bombs] when we must bear the unbearable. ... I swallow my own tears and give my sanction to the proposal to accept the Allied proclamation.” ....

Morning newspapers in Japan on August 11 carried a statement in the name of General Anami and addressed to the army: “The only thing for us to do is fight doggedly to the end ... though it may mean chewing grass, eating dirt, and sleeping in the field.”

But on the morning of August 14, another blizzard of leaflets swirled over Tokyo and other cities, and this time they contained news of the messages exchanged between Japan and the Allies. Marquis Koichi Kido, Hirohito’s closest advisor, later recorded in his diary that seeing one “caused me to be stricken with consternation” over the possibility that some leaflets could “fall into the hands of the troops and enrage them,” making a military coup d’état “inevitable.”

A coup, in fact, was already underway. If Anami were to give his support to the plot, much of the Japanese Army—a million soldiers in the Home Islands—would almost certainly rise against the cabinet with the claim that the emperor had been duped by cowardly civilians. If Anami resigned from the cabinet, it would fall and Japan would fight on....

In the early hours of August 15, Major Kenji Hatanaka, a fiery-eyed zealot, and Army Air Force Captain Shigetaro Uehara burst into the office of Lieutenant General Takeshi Mori, commander of the Imperial Guards Division. Hatanaka fatally shot and slashed Mori, and Uehara beheaded another officer. Hatanaka affixed Mori’s private seal to a false order directing the Imperial Guards to occupy the palace and its grounds, sever communications with the palace except through Division Headquarters, occupy NHK, and prohibit all broadcasts.

Meanwhile, Major Hidemasa Koga, a staff officer with the Imperial Guards, was trying to recruit other officers into the plot. At the palace, soldiers supporting the coup, with bayonets affixed to their rifles, rounded up the radio technicians and imprisoned them in a barracks. Wearing white bands across their chests to distinguish themselves from guards loyal to the emperor, they stormed the palace and began cutting telephone wires. (The Atlantic)

Argue with Ike.

Argue with Ike. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Quit pretending Ike's opinion correctly reflected the mindset of Hirohito and Japan's military leadership.

Quit pretending Ike's opinion correctly reflected the mindset of Hirohito and Japan's military leadership. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

And Eisenhower was not the Theater Commander that would have had to order the soldiers , sailors, airmen and Marines to the beaches of mainland Japan. His ( Eisenhower's) knowledge of the situation in Japan was not one of the Commander of the planned invasion and he couldn't have been privy to the intelligence related to the operation. Hell, Ike was still in Europe trying to "De-Nazify" Germany and round up war criminals, amongst other things. He had HIS hands full with the post-war issues of the ETO.
But it's a nice try from the history revisionist's and full throated ( of cum ! ) lying liberals that applauded odummer's "apology and surrender tour ".

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