Is This The Jackpot Or The 7th Level Of Hell?

There doesn't seem to be much interest in the story version, and frankly it was getting to long, three pages in MS Word got me to noon.

So here's the abridged version of my day.

I got a message from Jane asking if we could meet at a restaurant for lunch.

I replied that I didn't think that was a good idea, and wished her a happy life.

Jane calls my daughter and tells her that I won't help her by agreeing to meet her for lunch and more advice. This confuses daughter who expects her Daddy to slay any and all dragons as she sees fit. Not wanting to make his problem her problem, said Daddy mans-up and agrees to lunch with Jane.

Having been outmaneuvered by Jane I look forward to lunch with the same dread I had for Obama's inauguration.

Lunch is at a nice cafe. Jane looks absolutely gorgeous in her suit. In fact the way she smiled & waved at me was very charming and disarming.

She was very mature and professional steering the conversation to work, school, & people we knew. I kept my feet wrapped under my chair, out of range.

Finally, I asked what she wanted, and slowly it comes out. She notionally knows what a Sugar Daddy is from popular culture; however, she knows nothing about ASPD, eecie, or any of the Sugar Daddy sights. Her SD proposal was a ploy. She knows from my daughter that I've had commitment issues since my wife died. Jane's idea was to suggest a SD relationship, no commitment. But once she got me into her bed, she fully expected that we'd fall madly in love, and live happily ever after. You see, she's had a crush on me since high school.

Shyster John hinted at it, Elizabeth Whispers warned me about it, but I would have never guessed it in a million years.

Here's the part I'll regret to my dying day, Mr Engineer had to come to the fore. You see Disney never goes into the details of "happily ever after" but details, that's what engineers do:

"So you think my daughter's cool with you being her Step-Mom?"

Her face cracked, she'd never carried dream that far, and I just crushed it with size-10 waffle stompers. No talking it through, no letting her down easy. Just straight to the point and crush a soul. Just this morning her Dad told me how one law professor called her ruthless. Not now.

Her eyes watered, "Of course, what was I thinking?" How foolish, how silly, how dumb, how yadda yadda.. I'm just stammering no, no, no...

She runs out... I follow.. (It's so surreal, I can't help wondering what movie am I trapped in?)

More crying outside, I console, she cry's, I cry, she feels like an idiot, I am one...

Its not every day you get to crush the dream someone has held onto, kept them going, for the last 6 years. Especially a dream centered on yourself. It turns out she'd quiz my daughter on my non-dating habits, and just about every encounter for the last 6 years she planned. Only one, she told me, was unplanned - the grocery store. Un-be-lievable.

Recounting this is just so un-fucking real to me. I read over it and sounds like bull shit. I fully expect someone will call me out and point to some book or move. If I had not lived it I wouldn't believe it.

Today is one of the few I regret being a teetotaler (alcoholism is rampant in my family).

It has been a very bad, no good, rotten day.

I wish I could move to Australia...
Originally Posted by DFK Hunter
Yeah...but are the feckin' cats safe/ok....!?
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Why was it a bad day? You confronted a girl with unrealistic expectations. Sure she shed some tears today but she will be better off going forward. All things considered it was a pretty good day. Originally Posted by pyramider

For the long term of course, pyramider, you are correct. But like chemo therapy, being cured is good, but the cure is not.

I enjoyed the story....

Who knows? There may be updates coming down the road.

I have a feeling there will be another meeting.....

Do me a favor? Let her know that you have a friend seeking such an arrangement and you hate to see her suffer financially. The philanthropist in me would really like to help her. Originally Posted by cpi3000
Thank you for the complement, CPI. I did write 3 pages on my morning yesterday, including swapping sea stories with her old man. It takes the chronology up to the start of lunch. I may post that if there is any interest. Nothing sexual, but amusing.

One thing I should make clear, she is NOT, I repeat , NOT suffering financially. She only said that to give credence to the SD ploy to get me to fall in love with her.

Dontcha wish you'd had all sons? LOL! Of course you don't and if you had you'd never had this little adventure.

Now, I'm interested in how this plays out once you tell "money pit" all about it............. Originally Posted by Randy4Candy
My Mother told me once, "I hope you have a child just like you..." That's my son...

Tell my daughter? Rrrright.... Maybe I do need to post the prequel.

Playing the devils advocate, what if your daughter is trying to set you up with the SD relationship because she want's to see you happy? Hell, tell her you had an "American Beauty" nightmare that scared the crap out of you just to gauge her reaction.

In the mean time run like the wind... Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler
No, the "money pit" is to possessive to play that game. ("American Beauty" there's that movie again, gotta get it...)

Done rolled-over and diving for the deck...

Yeah...but are the feckin' cats safe/ok....!? Originally Posted by Neotek
Yes, they hid in the laundry hamper... :hkitty:
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DFK,

Yes you crushed a girls dream that she had for 6 years. Amazing how our dreams block out the most obvious things to us. She is studying law, shows how emotions can block out things even to the most analytical of people.

I am sure that you feel aweful about the way you made her feel. However sometimes, blunt and straightforward is the best way for reason to kick in. Other thoughts of her dream she probably blindly tossed aside. She being early 20's, you in your 50's (if I recall right), say you do fall in love and live happily ever after. 30 years age difference means she will live long after you die and women live longer lives then men. Does she not want kids of her own? Does that mean you are prepared to be a father again for another 18-20years?

I say all this from an age difference experience as well. Not nearly as large as yours. Not going into detail a female for about 3 years had a thing for me. She is 19 now. I am early 30's. So yes that was something I thought of as well as I discussed with her and our age difference is half that of yours. Difference was that I'm not married/divorced/widowed or have kids. Whats also unique is that I have dated women that is her moms age. So yeah I feel a bit akward when putting into that perspective.

I know you feel aweful about how she feels. However you did the right thing. Hopefully Now she can find a "daddy figure" in a late 20s or early 30's age instead.
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Recounting this is just so un-fucking real to me. I read over it and sounds like bull shit. I fully expect someone will call me out and point to some book or move. If I had not lived it I wouldn't believe it. Originally Posted by DFK Hunter
I have to admit your story sounds really improbable to me, like the plot of one of those trash movies on Lifetime. I mean, she was obsessed with you for 6 years and never revealed it in any way? She's in her second or third year of law school, meaning all the joie de vivre is being wrung from her like water from a sponge and replaced with dispassionate reason, yet she acts like a love-sick ninth grader? She approaches you as a potential SD, knowing you drive a Ford Focus? You first wrote that her parents couldn't afford to fund the lifestyle she's accustomed to:

She's in her 2nd or 3rd year at a local Juridica Ludus and is stressed over school, men (boys), and finances. Mostly finances. With the poor economy and having younger siblings in the pipeline, her folks can't support her at the level she's accustomed (that's my interpretation anyway).
...then later you wrote that she doesn't need more money:

One thing I should make clear, she is NOT, I repeat , NOT suffering financially. She only said that to give credence to the SD ploy to get me to fall in love with her.
I don't know... Are you willing to take a polygraph? We can take up a collection to pay the fee. Haha.

But I'm a believer in the essential good nature of my fellow man, so I'll assume you're telling the truth. So send "Jane" my way. Maybe she can work under me. Or take my oral dictation as she peruses my briefs.

Holy Batman SHYSTER, is this your new SB in your avatar ?? How much per month Originally Posted by jimbo
(1) Yes. (2) As little as possible and still play with her twice a week.
Hell of a read! It has everything from fantasy to unrequited love with a hint of contemplated reciprocation.

Write the book and they will buy it. Write the screenplay and I'll go to the movie.

Sadly, hopeless romantics often have to work at reality and at their own version of being the "grumpy engineer" type. Sometimes, I pretend not to notice when I think there is a connection, just as you did to begin with.

Even though I haven't read every entire word of every response, I would think that a certain possibility of jealousy from your daughters might exist if you ever acted on the idea. If time and money had no value and were not often used as a scorecard by family members, then I would not worry about that possibility. However, we all know that even time spent at the golf course or money spent on a car can often be recorded on someone's personal scorecard where no rules other than those of that particular scorekeeper matter.

Thanks for taking the time to write what you wrote.
A lifetime movie... yeah....

Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff, Hayden Panettiere, Miley Cyrus, Magean Fox, Alicia Silverstone, Jamie Presley, Emma Watson, or Evanna Lynch would be good candidates for casting.

Who could play the dad? Owen Wilson? Vince Vaughn? Tim Robinson? Matthew Broderick? Matt Damon? Mark Wahlburg? Adam Sandler?
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I guess this is a fitting 100th posting. I hope it will clear up some of the confusion. At the very least I hope you find my attempt at catharsis entertaining and worth your time. The quotes are to the best of my recollection. All the major themes and events happened; however, the names and some other specific details have been omitted, altered, or deleted to protect the innocent and the guilty.

Once again I thank everyone for all the comments, they have been most helpful.


0700 hrs 2-20-2010 Texas
I checked my crackberry this morning and no messages. All is good. At approximately 0830 hrs my son reminds me that he needs the table saw for his Eagle Scout project.

"What's keeping you from using it?"

"You loaned it to Mr. Doe before Christmas, remember?"

"Oh..." Aaawkward

In the past my dealings with the Doe family has been somewhat minimal, mostly centered on the union of our kids activities & Christmas Card exchange. I'd forgotten that the Money Pit had "volunteered" the table saw's services to "Bob" (Jane's Dad) last year. This is too weird, sigh. I Call up Mr. Doe and he insists on bringing the saw over within the hour. As we hang up the light on my crackberry is blinking, it's a message from his daughter. Grrreat...

Having just gotten off the phone with her father I feel, well weird. What are the odds! Its like what happens to the unlucky protagonist in a Martin Scorsese flick; it's as if a conspiracy of fate has turned against me. I put the phone in my pocket and start to mull the possibilities, pacing about. Which of course, catches the attention of my son, "What's wrong Dad?"

I have to stop and think about how to answer that, "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies..."

He stares intently, having lived his entire life with me he knows I'm upset about something, and this concerns him.

"I haven't done anything, have I?"

"Nooo, not yet..." I reply.

"This isn't going to affect my party tonight, will it?"

"Only if you keep bothering me..."

Her chirps up, "Well then, I'm going to get things ready for tonight..."

He a good boy.

I go to my bedroom to open the message on my crackberry. It's measured and well written. Jane apologies for being forward, acknowledges it wasn't right, and it's completely understandable how I misinterpreted her intentions. She asks that I meet her for lunch today (2/19) at a restaurant near her work.

In retrospect, I see how her wording was carefully chosen, even precise in a subtle way. But I wasn't in the mood for subtlety just then because, for some reason known only to God and the Cats, the fact that her Father's truck would be pulling up my drive way at any moment put a pretty big damper on my ability to decipher her rhetoric. Keeping to my plan, I quickly replied that there were no hard feelings but that I didn't feel such a meeting would be appropriate and wished her a good life. Concise and final, it helped me feel better.

Mr. Doe's truck pulled up shortly thereafter and we unloaded the saw. I decided to see what intel I could get by casually stating I overheard Jane telling girls that she was financially strapped last Saturday.

He sat on his bumper, sighed, shook his head, looked up and said, "Hunter, if you go to the dictionary and look up the term 'High Maintenance' you'll find a picture of my daughter..."

Turns out that even though his income is down there's enough to pay the bills. But that doesn't matter because a long time ago he and his wife set up a (trust?) fund to finance their kids education. So there's enough money for Jane, her siblings, and his eventual grandchildren go to college. Yes, it doesn't give her everything she wants, but her necessities are met.

My first thought was, this is interesting... but I couldn't dwell on Jane's inconsistencies because it turns her Dad's an old Sea dog like me. So before you know it Bob and I are sitting in my garage swigging Gator Aide, swapping sea stories. Eventually we become convinced that if the world could see our true Genius, and elect us benevolent dictators all the world's problems would be solved. Suddenly our male bonding was interrupted when my son enters our domain with a panicked look and the phone in his hand.

"Uh, Dad. Money Pit's on the phone and she's upset.."

Before I can take the phone from his had my eldest's voice emanates from above, "I AM NOT UPSET! I'M MAD!"

I point to myself. He nods yes, and before I can lift the receiver to my my ear Bob's truck is pulling out the driveway and the boy is nowhere to be seen. I will face her wrath alone, and of all varied, contorted, multitude of possibilities, I have only the vaguest of fears as to what's gotten into her.

"WHY WON'T YOU HELP JANE?!?"

"Jesus H. Cornelius Christ, girl, what in the'l are you talking about?"

Indignantly she rants on, "Jane called and told me how blew her off when she asked for your help! YOU WILL NOT....."

Confused I stutter, "Wait, what? Jane told you what?"

"...YOU WILL NOT....."

I mute the handset, hold the phone at my side, and mutter something about the female dogs at the local kennel. My eldest is a strange combination of me and my wife's family. There are times when we've crossed swords and I feel like I'm up against me, except that the mini-me has a higher voice and is pretty. Then there's the Tasmanian Devil, her Uncle has one too. But this is bad, really bad... Obviously Jane has gotten the Taz on the phone to get me to lunch.

"DADDY ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?"

"Sweetheart, all of Collin County is listening to you..."

Thinking as fast as I can, I rule out telling the Taz that her BFF has put the moves on dear old Dad to get him to pay some bills. Even though my daughter really has her war paint on, she would un-hesitatingly believe me. However, just flipping the conflict over the fence to my daughter just isn't fair to her. In retrospect, it's easy to understand why she's so upset. My daughter sees my refusal to help Jane as uncharacteristic of what believes I should be. Both my girls see me as St. George and it's my Damn job to slay any and all dragons. I'll have to man-up and deal with being outmaneuvered by Jane.

"Okay, sweetheart, I'll see what I can do..."

"Really Daddy?..." The Taz has left the building, and my princess has returned.

My children as so spoiled they'd smell on ice.

I'm looking forward to lunch with the same dread I had for Obama's inauguration.

A side bar is needed here to understand what I'm going through. I have a very strong clothing fetish. A lady in a nice dress wearing closed-toed stiletto pumps is the sexiest thing there is to me. Let me illustrate how strong this fetish is me by explaining that I still have the dresses my wife wore when we conceived our three children. And yes, this can be a problem with attractive conservatively dressed women in the workplace, but I deal with it.

Now back to the narrative...

As I walk up to the cafe, she sees me and waives me over. Immediately the little sailor starts another insurgency against the big head and reason. Jane is gawd-almighty-damned gorgeous standing there in her suit jacket, button-up blouse, skirt that comes to just above her knees, and patent black stiletto pumps. She couldn't have been sexier if she were standing there naked, and if the little sailor hadn't been tucked under he would have fired a full salvo as I stood there. Instead I got one of the biggest dick cramps ever.

As Jane guided me to my table I excused myself to the men's room which, thankfully, was empty. Once inside I straightened the sailor out with some measure of relief. I then put my back to the wall, came to attention, and commenced to hit my head against it, HARD. Please understand how frustrated I was, it seemed I was losing all control as fated conspired against all my weaknesses. My self-flagellation released the sexual tension enough to ease my erection. A bit more in control, I washed my face, took two Advil I keep in my jacket, and returned to our table.

Out of frame.
Sorry, but I'm not up to writing about the lunch. Word has crashed on me once tonight and frankly I just don't want to deal with it. If you need to, click the quote link and come back, we'll wait.
(cue Jeopardy theme)
She was very mature and professional steering the conversation to work, school, & people we knew. I kept my feet wrapped under my chair, out of range. Originally Posted by DFK Hunter
Okay, now for the post game show...

EPOLOGUE #1: The Ballerina Diva Gets a Clue

That afternoon my younger daughter (Jr in HS) asked me point blank if I was having an affair with Jane! It turns out she saw Jane kiss me the Saturday before (2/13) and deduced it was Jane I met for lunch today (2/20). (I seldom leave the house for Saturday lunch dates and the short notice resulted in a poor cover story). The Diva has known for some time about Jane's crush.

"How come you never told me about this?"

She looks at me like I'm from outer space, and shrugs her shoulders.

The Ballerina Diva also related that she could tell when Jane had broken-up with a boyfriend because she (Jane) would contact her (Diva) for info about me (myself and I). I asked if her older sister knew about Jane's crush but she didn't think so. I then decided to press my luck.

"How would you feel if I were to marry Jane?"

She shudders with disgust, "OMG, Dad, that's-just-too-weird. As far as I'm concerned you and Mom only had sex four times, your honeymoon and for each of us. But, ewww... The thought of you having sex with someone I actually know, its' just , ewww."

I smiled, "Well, you "actually" knew your mother didn't you?"

<GLARE>

My best guess is that Jane's crush is (was?) an emotional crutch she developed and used to get through stressing times like break-ups and school. Sometimes these crutches develop a life of their own that carries on beyond its usefulness. I know, I have one myself.

And besides, I'd like to believe that a make believe fantasy world centered on myself was better for Jane than drug habit.

EPOLOGUE #2: The Invasion of the Wii Snatchers

Just before son's party started he came up to me and blurted,

"Dad, you're not going to marry Jane, are you?"

(Good Gawd-Almighty-Damn, does everybody know about this but me?) "No, of course not, whatever gave you that idea?"

"I overheard you in the kitchen talking to Diva..."

I put my arm around my grandfather's only male progeny, looked him straight (well, ever so slightly up) in the eye, and advised him, "Son, you should know by now that whenever I'm talking to one of your sisters one-on-one you should close your ears, go to your room, drop to to your knees, and thank the Good Lord above for giving you a penis."

(I laughed harder than he did.)

"Well, you can't marry her anyway.""

"A little too weird, eh?"

"Yeah, that too, But I'm going to marry her..."

Give him credit. He's got good taste.



EPOLOGUE #2.1: Just for Neotek:
When the party got into full swing there were 14 9th graders in my house. Nine or 10 boys, the rest girls. Loud, but not too unruly. They tag-teamed multiplayers on the Wii, but when it wasn't their turn the Wii snatchers became restless and searched for entertainment. At one moment a girl walks buy carrying the purr-monster. He sees me and thrusts his front paws out toward me and starts to mew, but yawns instead. But his eyes never left me as they walked away...

Later the Ballerina Diva called me over to the laundry room, "Dad, Dad, you gotta see this..."

The cats were hiding under some dirty shirts in the laundry hamper.
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Truly amazing and entertaining story. Too bad that she wasn't really in need of some assistance. From how you described her at lunch I'm sure there would have been quite a few volunteers from here that would have loved to help her.
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Interesting read but not entirely plausible...but OK I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

Fast forward 10 years...your hair might be a little grayer or thinner...you might have a few wrinkles...but the mind is a wonderful thing...and I'm gonna assume you don't get hit with Alzheimers so yours will still be very alert and active...

And you will always wonder how it would have felt to help her remove that business suit, bra, panties...and get in between those silky thighs...it could have been the fuck of a lifetime!!!

I guess what this old guy is trying to say, not very succintly, is YOU FUCKED UP!!!!!
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Interesting read but not entirely plausible...but OK I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
What can I say? It is what it is. I fully understand your skepticism.

Fast forward 10 years...your hair might be a little grayer or thinner...you might have a few wrinkles...but the mind is a wonderful thing...and I'm gonna assume you don't get hit with Alzheimers so yours will still be very alert and active...

And you will always wonder how it would have felt to help her remove that business suit, bra, panties...and get in between those silky thighs...it could have been the fuck of a lifetime!!! Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
I would be a liar if I said I didn't have some regret now; however, your scenario is wrong. Open the blouse, hike the skirt - I can get to all I need without removing a stitch of clothing. It's called fully clothed sex for a reason. [Gawd this is winding me up...]

I guess what this old guy is trying to say, not very succintly, is YOU FUCKED UP!!!!! Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
Here we'll have to agree to disagree.
Look, I'm obviously no paragon of virtue, but I have interests that are bigger than the urge to bang her oh so beautiful brains out. Simply put, the potential cost is too high. And when you consider the fact my younger daughter had suspicions, the likelihood of paying that cost is a near certainty.
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Been there, done that...all I can say is the ones you fuck fade into distant memories, but the ones you let get away haunt you the rest of your life...

10 years from now your 9th grade daughter will be living a life of her own and hopefully bringing her children over for you to spoil...do you honestly think she will feel any different about you if you fucked one of her sister's friends?

I rest my case...
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Been there, done that...all I can say is the ones you fuck fade into distant memories, but the ones you let get away haunt you the rest of your life... Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
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No disagreement here. However, just for the record, I have fucked the brains out of one other 25 year old graduate school spinner. She gave me three children for my efforts.

10 years from now your 9th grade daughter will be living a life of her own and hopefully bringing her children over for you to spoil... Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
Just for the record, my son is in 9th grade, the ballerina diva is in 11th, and my eldest (the aggie money pit) is either a Jr. or Sm. Depending on her "major du jour".

do you honestly think she will feel any different about you if you fucked one of her sister's friends?

I rest my case... Originally Posted by fortwortholdguy
Not intending to be snarkey here, so please excuse any such tone as it's not intentional.

So let me get this straight, counselor, you are basing your case on the assumption you understand my children better than I do. Understand, I've basically raised these kids by myself so I think I understand them pretty well. What your analysis leaves out is the details of 10 years of angst. Remember, details that's what engineers do. What you have to remember is I am still St. George to my girls and St. George doesn't fuck their BFFs.
One thing I left out of Epilogue #1 is how relieved she was when I told her no. Because then, in her eyes, that meant my armor didn't have shit all over it.
I rest my case.
On reflection the poster's question does, in fact, sound a bit fishy. My daughters' friends all come from good families and truly value their relationhips with the girls with whom they went to school. I also find it curious that some young hottie would hit on an old codger; especially the father of one of their friends. Third, they likely have many other men around them that could provide $ and not have the baggage. This seems more a question based on fantasy than facts.
Why do the weirdos have to question the credibility of this poster? Is it because they can't have Jane? Who cares? It is a titillating tale, either way!

DFKH, This is one of the most entertaining threads I have ever read. This sounds like a good short story or book material. I can't narrate as well, so I don't know.

Thank you for sharing. You opened a window into a world I have no experience with personally. It must be hell being a saint!
more! more!
i am learning a lot...thanks for sharing.