Osama Bin Laden I'd dead!!!

God damn if they won't release these photos. I am tired of the nanny state.

WE,

You're a pretty smart guy so I'm confused why you would think that a public statement somehow is truthful.

IF Bush or any other president, had said, yes, we have gotten intel that tells us Osama is just inside the border of Pakistan and we are making plans to take him out, HE WOULD HIDE SOMEPLACE ELSE!

Of course you want the propaganda machine and speeches to make it look like we as a nation are making no great effort to find him so that he relaxes his guard.

As for yours and others comments that we went into Iraq for the oil you need to take off the algore colored glasses and look at your own facts andthose facts are:

WE never had to find WMD. Saddam had to prove as part of the cease fire that everything had been destroyed and the UN inspectors had spent 10 years being led on wild goose chases and shell games while Saddam moved and hid components. He was required by the cease fire to PROVE everything he agreed to and numerous resolutions were made against him because he kept snubbing his nose as the UN.

YES, Saddam was harboring terrorists and training camps I do notice how that is never mentioned in the press as one more nail in the coffin as to why the US decided to end the game and remove Saddam from office.

Back to OBL.
Nice article on how OBL, since the US began to go after terrorism, had pretty much become a fading horse in a long race:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ditorialPage_t

Keep in mind that the CIA knew where OBL was way back in August 2010 from all reports yet Obama took until May, 9 months to give the go ahead and take him out?

If the press and other liberals had ever found out that Bush had known where OBL was sitting for 9 months and done nothing, they'd be hell to pay.

Yes, Bush fucked up around Tora Bora by not sending in US troops to get OBL and OBL escaped. Good thing Obama was able to learn from other presidential failures on capturing enemies and he made sure there were backup aircraft and men because when that Blackhawk went down, it had every chance of being a cluster fuck but unlike when Clinton refused to allow COBRA and other support helicopters in Somalia when we went after terrorists there, Obama knew better and I'm better he did not worry about the cost but just the damn result.

Speaking of Clinton, where's he been with all this? Is he afraid to poke his head up and get asked questions such as wouldn't it have been better to have taken him in custody when he was offered up under YOUR watch Mr President?....

Here's another article about how this action vindicates Bush. While not doing so well for Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ditorialPage_t Originally Posted by LazurusLong

Lazarus where's the evidence that Obama knew where Osama was 9 months ago??? You are confusing that with the news that they were tracking his courier for the past 9 months.
Going back to GWB if he had said we are going to hunt Usamah down and we have not given up on him- wouldn't that have put heat on OBL where he would have said :"hey these guys are after my ass" but Bush admitted he wasn't concerned about OBL and concentrated more on Saddam. Keep in mind that Bush had 7 years to capture OBL- and let's be quite frank one of the main reasons why Bush defeated Kerry was the OBL video that surfaced a week before the elections. Obama doesn't have a lock to win in 2012, but gosh this makes it so much harder for the GOP because one of their traditionally strong points was making Dems look weak on security and national defense but with the "boogey man" gone what will the GOP use to scare voters now?

you have such quite an imagination and thought process. you mention things as though you know my inner thoughts and have made it clear you can predict what I am going to mention next. for someone who is very comfortable with his vote and what you believe in, you go in great lengths in trying to explain yourself and the way I think. you have gone from an AIDs cure from the Obama administration, birther conspiracy and his religious affiliation, to the San Francisco Giants winning the world series. dude you are all over the place! LOL.

Its like you are trying to be preemptive about things I could really care less about. all because I have an opinion. last time I checked I was allowed to, even though it may differ from yours. The reason I mentioned you can go polish Obama's knob is because you will defend him blindly and attack anyone who will not bow down to him, obviously like you have and seemed to have done on many occasions. I thought you did not have time for people like me? for someone who does not have time for me, you sure have put in a lot of time thinking about things I really do not care about or fault Obama for. Originally Posted by TexRich

Trust me there are many decisions Obama has made that I don't like- one example is cap and trade- but anyways all I ask is that you guys see this as a victory for America and admit that it took a courageous effort by Obama and his administration to do what they did- this could have been a Jimmy Carter moment or better yet Obama could have ordered missiles strikes that could have missed the target or even hit the compound without killing OBL or he could have sent those special forces in and a majority of them could have got killed without the killing OBL- it was a great Presidential move -point blank and not an easy one as you would say.. Also, as somewhat has already pointed out- very cool signature.

Now, there's your typical OAMC non-sequitur. Uh, Ag-boy, each of those statements has nothing to do with the other.

For the record, I'd say your #1 reflects your penchant for alternative economy herbs but, and keeping your reply from being an entire "Sch-waaaaangggg and a Miss," #2 does make a point. Just goes to show you that the ol' "Bling Hog" theory is alive and well - just keep tossing your sheee-yiit at the wall - something will eventually stick. You coulda made like an adult and given an answer like LL, but Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o...

Boomer Sooner, baby!!! Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

I have no idea what you are talking about, must be your zerou education

you are not only a goon but a liberal, God save the Queen

you posted at 2pm, awaiting your evening shift at McDonald's?

Lar, great articles from WJ

and if you BO lovers think this will get him relected, he has been around -19/20 and now only -13

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Never lose focus though that it's all about OIL. Originally Posted by cookie man

Correct, and that's what really pisses me off. We turn a blind eye to genocide in Rwanda and Darfur (no oil), yet we we claim that Iraq was about removing a dictator and not about oil. Bullshit. I'm not even saying I'm against wars for oil... I like driving my car. I'm against the lies and the political bullshit.

you are the most misinformed person on this board!

why did your willie not take him out when he had a chance? Originally Posted by cptjohnstone

You say that like you think I'm a Democrat. I'm not. You think I'm misinformed because I don't agree with your opinion? What do you know?

Little Bush had the benefit of hindsight, Clinton did not. Bush Senior and Clinton were both far more effective in the oil lands than the little bush.

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WE never had to find WMD. Saddam had to prove as part of the cease fire that everything had been destroyed and the UN inspectors had spent 10 years being led on wild goose chases and shell games while Saddam moved and hid components. He was required by the cease fire to PROVE everything he agreed to and numerous resolutions were made against him because he kept snubbing his nose as the UN.

YES, Saddam was harboring terrorists and training camps I do notice how that is never mentioned in the press as one more nail in the coffin as to why the US decided to end the game and remove Saddam from office.
Originally Posted by LazurusLong

Ummm... the UN inspectors said there were no WMDs in Iraq. They didn't say they weren't sure, they said there was NO evidence (and they were right). What else could Iraq do for proof? That's why most of the world didn't support the little bush with his invasion for Exxon.

Every country, including this one, is harboring terrorists. At the time of the US invasion of Iraq, the terrorists that attacked this country had no significant presence in Iraq. Since then, Iran has supported all kinds of terrorist activity in Iraq, just like we supported the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation.

It's all very fucked up. We need to start putting corn or beer in our cars and get the hell out of that region.

BTW, to those Obama lap dogs.

Funny how when Obama was running for office, he did just what Clinton wanted to do and that was to bring non citizen terrorists to court in the US and accord them all the rights of US the citizens.

Obama promised to close GITMO. - NOT DONE.
Promised open government. - NOT DONE, NOT EVEN CLOSE
Promised to bring terrorists to NYC to put on trial. NOT DONE and reversed 100% once they figured out this was one of the stupidest campaign slogans ever thought of.
Promised to kill the Patriot Act because it "violated" terrorists rights". Hmm, that same Patriot Bill is what allowed the CIA and NSA to eavesdrop on calls and narrow down where bin Laden was.

Obama has done nothing to reduce terrorism and whoever claimed that his administration has captured more than Bush must think that the intel and work being done under Bush just ended and Obama created a whole new structure when he took office.

Bullshit. Obama takes credit for policies in place by Buch yet wants to blame Bush for everything else.

One and Done is the motto of the current Administration. Originally Posted by LazurusLong

I'm NOT a fan of Obama's because I think he knows what he needs to do but his execution is weak.

If you're still a Bush supporter – after 8 years of clusterfuck – you're not thinking with your head.

I want my Republican party back. My Republican party was conservative but not retarded. It was driven by simple fiscal and leadership values that were not corrupted by religious zealots, gun nerds, or oil. Sarah Palin and Donald Trump would not be invited to the party. I could go on, but I won't.

Trust me there are many decisions Obama has made that I don't like- one example is cap and trade- but anyways all I ask is that you guys see this as a victory for America and admit that it took a courageous effort by Obama and his administration to do what they did- this could have been a Jimmy Carter moment or better yet Obama could have ordered missiles strikes that could have missed the target or even hit the compound without killing OBL or he could have sent those special forces in and a majority of them could have got killed without the killing OBL- it was a great Presidential move -point blank and not an easy one as you would say.. Also, as somewhat has already pointed out- very cool signature. Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

I know Obama would have taken a whole lot of grief if it would have turned out bad, but I stand by my statement earlier that I wouldn't have because we are at war and these things can happen during times of war. Now, if I had found out he decided not to go after him with all we know now, sure I would have lambasted him. It was a great Presidential move and as Commander In Chief I praise him for deciding to take Osama out.

I am tempering my enthusiasm because we are still at war and there will be more bad days ahead. anyone that thinks we can start bringing troops home sooner, and believe this war is over or near the end is sadly mistaken. right now is not the time to start letting up on Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group and those that support and harbor terrorists. it seems every day since Osama was killed that new information is coming out about this operation pre and post.

One last thing TexRich the guy I voted for is in office- he won- the guy you voted for lost- so don't think your little insults is going to affect me because hey you can keep whining and crying all you want until next election day because I am glad the person I cast my vote for won the election.
So the best thing for you to do instead of going tit for tat is to bookmark this page and come talk to me the day after election day in 2012 because barring some unseen economic breakdown that "Black guy" in office you know the one that you perhaps still think is a muslim and up until last week believed was born in Kenya- well he will be still sitting in that Big White House on Pennsylvania Avenue the day after election day 2012 laughing at you haters. So all this anti- Obama talk and rhetoric it's useless now because he's in office buddy- it's almost as useless as you telling a San Francisco Giants fan that their team sucks even though they beat the Rangers in the World Series- you get the picture???? So save all your smart ass comments to election day 2012 because right now I laugh at them because the man I voted for is in office and the man you voted for is somewhere in AZ and his VP who has the the IQ of a log is one of the leading GOP candidates and one of the major faces of the Republican Party that should really tell you how 2012 is looking for the GOP! Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Love it!!

Love it!! Originally Posted by TexTushHog

with a jackass avatar like yours, how could you not? thats rhetorical, no need to explain....

Obama promised to close GITMO. - NOT DONE.
Promised open government. - NOT DONE, NOT EVEN CLOSE
Promised to bring terrorists to NYC to put on trial. NOT DONE and reversed 100% once they figured out this was one of the stupidest campaign slogans ever thought of.
Promised to kill the Patriot Act because it "violated" terrorists rights". Hmm, that same Patriot Bill is what allowed the CIA and NSA to eavesdrop on calls and narrow down where bin Laden was.
Originally Posted by LazurusLong

And many of us who voted for him are furious that he has reneged on those promises. But the modern Republican Party isn't an alternative. Even mainstream Republicans have joined the loony fringe. Let's hope that President Obama fixes many of these problems in his second term. But I'm not voting for anybody who is as out of touch with reality as all the Republican candidates and wants to dismantle the most successful social programs and anti-poverty programs of the past 80 years like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, just to give more unjustified tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires who don't need them.

There is a reason why I never debate politics or religions, because it's a complete waste of time trying to change the other person's mind when they are dead set in their beliefs. And this thread is a classic example of why I never bother to do so.

Regardless of your political beliefs though, Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch, not Bush's. Give YOUR president credit for that because it happened on his watch. Meanwhile, enjoy paying for your gas at over $4 a gallon because of Bush - and not to mention the high inflation because of the current price of gas. You blind Republicans are too funny. I do have to admit though, I am a true Republican for a few days around mid April every year, but on the other days of whatever year, I'll vote for whichever party does not give me a dumb fuck like Bush. And since potential VP Palin made Bush look like Einstein, there's no surprise that Obama is in office.

Regardless of your political beliefs though, Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch, not Bush's. Give YOUR president credit for that because it happened on his watch. Meanwhile, enjoy paying for your gas at over $4 a gallon because of Bush - and not to mention the high inflation because of the current price of gas. Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Everyone here has commended Obama's administration for completing the job that Bush's adminstration started. Almost every expert on the situation has said how hard it was to find Bin Laden in an area where he had lot's of sympathizers, places to hide, and money. Regardless of who was in charge, it comes down to good intelligence and follow through from the military.

A former Navy Seal, now politician, spoke on TV about how it is much tougher being a politician than a Seal. Sad but true. The political division and lack of cooperation in our system is stagnating any progress we need to be making in this crucial time for our economy.

Blaming Bush for gas prices and inflation is wrong. The year is 2011. This is now Obama's watch right? Gas prices result from speculation on Wall Street, OPEC, and our poor managing of our own energy needs. Ethanol mandates, bad weather for crops, runaway spending, debt, etc. are inflationary.

It's time to move forward and get on our government asses about fixing things...and soon.

Everyone here has commended Obama's administration for completing the job that Bush's adminstration started. Almost every expert on the situation has said how hard it was to find Bin Laden in an area where he had lot's of sympathizers, places to hide, and money. Regardless of who was in charge, it comes down to good intelligence and follow through from the military.

A former Navy Seal, now politician, spoke on TV about how it is much tougher being a politician than a Seal. Sad but true. The political division and lack of cooperation in our system is stagnating any progress we need to be making in this crucial time for our economy.

Blaming Bush for gas prices and inflation is wrong. The year is 2011. This is now Obama's watch right? Gas prices result from speculation on Wall Street, OPEC, and our poor managing of our own energy needs. Ethanol mandates, bad weather for crops, runaway spending, debt, etc. are inflationary.

It's time to move forward and get on our government asses about fixing things...and soon. Originally Posted by cookie man

Very true-Oil prices are set globally- I think the major difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush really never addressed the oil price issue it was almost as if he didn't care- I can say that Obama is on record saying that his administration may look into releasing oil from the strategic reserves if prices continue to rise- which I think he would strongly consider if prices rise in 2012. If anyone believe the trash Trump was talking where he can simply go to OPEC and tell them to lower their oil prices is insane- sorry not that easy. Also, drilling out way out of is a short term fix- we really need alternative sources like they do in Brazil.