Calm down, I know this is very triggering for you but you're coming off as hysterical.
Originally Posted by howdy_booty
Yes, I tend to get perturbed when people act virtuous by cucking to the government.
You didn't, but these are the only real conditions that could have any complications with an mRNA vaccine.
And it's up to the government to force them to take a vaccine or they have to get fired or their employers pay massive fines? Fuck off.
You seem to think that legitimate medical exemptions don't exist. They do, but they are few and far between due to the nature of these vaccines.
Never said or even implied that. Don't strawman me.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article
Here is a study showing that more than a third of recovered covid-19 patients did not show seroconversion of relevant antibodies, so it's not a guarantee.
Yeah, Israeli studies says that natural immunity is actually very effective. And Israel actually has the highest vaccination rate.
https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_1
First line: "To assure safe and healthful working conditions for working men and women"
Yeah, by working conditions as to have clean floors, railings to protect you from falling into machines and shit. Not forcibly take a vaccine.
Actually, most world religions vehemently support vaccination. Sincerely held religious exemptions do exist, though the burden of proof for these is much higher, especially since no religious texts deal explicitly with vaccines and the religious objections that do exist are based on extrapolated principles developed from those texts.
Are you saying that people's religion can't be a reason why people someone doesn't want to get vaccines? People can use religion for anything. Are you so intellectually full of shit to say that the majority of religions are on board with forcing someone to do something to their own body against their will?
You're being quite vague about the religious reasons one might give for refusing vaccination. Here's a quick list: https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness...s-and-religion
No, religions can be against the administration of medicine in general. That includes vaccinations. Just because they don't specifically mention vaccinations, doesn't mean they don't mean a broader body of science.
It's a rather short list of rather tiny Christian sects. Most religions' belief in the sanctity of life extends to protecting life and views vaccines as contributing to that.
I love how you're so bent up on specifically vaccine that you're missing the broader picture of religions being against medicines in general, none of which, btw, is the government's fucking business. Are you aware that vaccines are belong to a broader body of medicine which certain religious people have every right to cite as a reason to take them, vaccines and all?
I will point out that Roman Catholics have historically opposed the use of fetal cells in the manufacture of vaccines, but the Pfizer and Moderna shots didn't use any, and the Pope urges all Catholics to get vaccinated.
And? The pope doesn't speak for everyone, ever. So who gives a shit? The pope also is for open borders despite ruling over a body that is completely walled off. Fuck what that pedo says.
So a religious exemption would require an individual to demonstrate a sincerely-held belief in one of these small sects, otherwise they're back in medical exemption territory.
No, they wouldn't. It's simply not the government's business to know anything about someone's belief or what they put in their bodies against their will.
:shrug: I've been called worse.
Just calling them as I see them. Glad you accept it.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Actually, covid mortality varies drastically across the globe, but in the US where we have higher access and quality of care, the survival rate is 98.6%. And if by older you mean "older than children", we may have finally found something we agree on.
No, the survival rate, once you factor in age, general health, fitness and pre-existing conditions, is north of 99 percent.
The vaccine helps out, period: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07...inated-deaths/
Never said it didn't. This has always been about choice.
Just what exactly is it about freedom that makes you so damn mad that you would cuck to the government so much? Obviously, it isn't health otherwise you'd have answered my questions from before.
I just think you're a part of the vaccine cult.
Well, what are the reasons for not wanting to take it? I'll hear you out. I will grant you that legitimate medical and religious exemptions (few as they are) should be honored, and certainly will be, as there is legal precedent. The reasons I've heard so far have all turned out to be hogwash, but I'll listen to you, dear friend.
It's simple, dude.
Because. they. don't. want. to.
Is that so hard? Does everyone HAVE To have some form of notarized reason why they don't want to? Seriously, when are you going to get over the fact that not everyone thinks like you? Why are you being such an ass hole as to force someone to do something against their will?
Well, it probably had something to do with all the masking and sanitizing and social distancing, right? This isn't hard.
Evidently it is. And you're still too much of an intellectual dunce to see it.
Because even when the flu seasons hit, where was the government mandating all of the social distancing rules? Or masking? Or washing of surfaces and such? I mean, the flu is also transmitted through fluids, so why is it exempt from the goverment?
See how full of bullshit your position is?
Not really familiar with this, seems unrelated to the main topic of covid vaccines, but after some googling it looks like they're trying to destigmatize a historically criminalized condition. Totally alien concept to this board, we would NEVER consider something like that.
It doesn't matter. The fact is, the government is decriminalizing a virus that is FAR WORSE than covid will ever be.
Yep, that's the government leveraging their power to enforce the laws. It's why we have desegregated schools and national parks.
Do you see what you just did there? You just owned your own position.
Enforce the LAWS. There is no law on vaccination. Thank you for finally seeing my point.
You wound me, my friend. I thought I did a pretty swell job informing myself when all this news broke initially.
You thought you did. But you didn't. The fact that you think this is about free market when it's about the government forcing businesses to do things, first of all, without passing laws, and second, bypassing state's rights. The fact that you had no idea about why businesses are so up in arms also shows your utter ignorance regarding this issue.
You're just another vaccine Kool-aid drinker who wants everyone to do what he wants.
