Trump says Ukraine started the war

Ukraine and even the Middle East issues stem from outside people drawing lines on a map disregarding the people that live there.

Oliver Stone's movies about Ukraine, "Ukraine on Fire,"(2016) "Revealing Ukraine" (2019). Stone definitely not MAGA. Interesting for the history that hardly anyone here knows or cares about. 2014 in detail and no one "took" Crimea.

Some will learn something if that's really the motivation or stick to the name calling. Don't care.

Don't get your hopes up.


On the other hand, if we have to depend on Hollywood movies for our history, it is a sad state of affairs.

Just look at the timeline. Putin takes Crimea with Obama in office. Putin invades Ukraine with the senile Joe in office (after Joe said on national television that a "small incursion" would be okay). Noticing not one invasion or any taking of land under Trump. Telling.... Originally Posted by Lantern2814

You are forgetting, that the Lefts hatred for President Trump outweighs all other considerations, even recognizing the truth in your post. Originally Posted by Jacky S

There is simplistic, unoriginal "truth" in the first post, but only because of basic facts. The rest is just hopeful implication and speculation based on nothing more than coincidental timing. But the statement about hatred for Trump is just repetition of boring MAGA Media talking points. Many on the "Left" are much more concerned about the global disarray that VP Trump, Little Mario and that drunk Hegseth are causing with our "foreign policy." This shit is truly crazy. And we all knew it would be. You voted for him anyway.

Don't get your hopes up.


On the other hand, if we have to depend on Hollywood movies for our history, it is a sad state of affairs. Originally Posted by VitaMan

Since people can't read....


There's a difference between a movie and a documentary. Stone was actually in Vietnam so his Platoon is said to be very realistic.



But thanks for your opinion. on stuff you haven't even seen or try to. Plenty of torrents for both.

... Let's wander back to the thread topic, shall we?

... Trump is tryin' to END the Ukraine war - not prolong it.

#### Salty

... Let's wander back to the thread topic, shall we?

... Trump is tryin' to END the Ukraine war - not prolong it.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Promises made. Promise broke, salty.

Doing it like the train wreck he caused in Afganistan.

Trump and Vance intentionally blew up their meeting so Trump can claim that the failure to end the war in a day, week, month, ever isn’t his fault. We all knew that it was a lie when he said it but it was more clear he had no idea what he was getting into.

Trump’s plan to end the war was to rely on statements by Putin that he’d not advance if given a ceasefire. Trump never was pushing for a permanent peace but was gonna claim a ceasefire was an end to the war. The cost of the ceasefire was going to be a deal with Ukraine where they pay the US for a ceasefire that would just give 20% of Ukraine to Russia and allow Russia to gear up for further fighting in a few years.

Trump and Vance are truly idiots.