A matter of rates--

How did you make it clear to your established clients that they could pay the lower rate without making them feel like cheapskates?

I might feel inclined to keep paying the higher because of the whole grandfathering concept. But knowing others (especially newbs) are paying less creates a Catch-22.

The majority of my established clients know that they are always welcome to pay whatever my advertised rate or special is... unless they are grandfathered in at an even lower rate or deal. Would be silly to charge an established friend more.

After all the time I've spent studying this exact thing, let me tell you how it works in the real world.


There are gents at every single price level. You've got your 600 and up guys, 400-500 guys, 250-350 guys, the 200 crowd, and then the below 200 crowd. You wind up with a great deal of mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and disease in the under 200 crowd. Usually 150 and down is the area you want to avoid at all costs. (Yes I am aware the working man can usually only afford below 200 but he is also dealing with a great risk of disease at that level.)

As the economy changes, so do the guys at each level. When it gets harder, the higher price guys will jump down a level. In effect, you never really run out of clients. They just shift themselves to the rate they are comfortable with.

When a provider raises her rates, she puts herself in the new level with lots of new clients that will be interested in seeing the new girl (most 250 and up guys won't even look at you if you cost less because they know that's where most of the disease resides.) When you lower your rates, you are in effect, telling everyone, you are not worth the rate you were charging because either, you have no work because you are not good enough to compete at the level you were trying to play on, have burned too many bridges or are pretty terrible and therefore have not retained any regulars. I don't make up the rules of promotion. That's simply how it is in the real world.

It took a few years to find the rate that works best for me. I will not go lower than a certain amount... ever. I found that the men at my level are kind and generous, and don't cross any lines that could cause trouble. But that's just me. However, I can't imagine it works differently outside my bubble, since my bubble went through all of this for years. Benefit from my mistakes and knowledge if you have the ability.... Sometimes you just have to go through it, and I understand... It's your life and stress.

People say, oh if you raise your rate you'll lose clients. That's only half true. You lose some that can only exist at the level you were occupying previously
(unless they save their pennies). However, you will gain an entirely new group of clients at your new level that MORE than compensates for any you "lose". I have also found, competition at a certain level becomes obsolete. If you are amazing at your job and no one can touch your skill, you will be successful. It's that simple. If you are only hohum, then you will still see a bunch of new guys at that level, but you will not retain any of them. Then, theoretically, you could raise your rate again and go through all the guys at that level. People think the more it costs, the better it is. It's just a human response to cost (except insurance... Insurance is bullshit at any level.) Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Wow, just wow, what an amazingly dumb statement. (hi-lited in red). This is econ 101 here Kayla! If I can get the same basic product at the same basic quality for a cheaper price, it makes sense to go the cheaper rate. In the hobby rate truly has less to do with quality, if you think it does, keep living in that bubble.
Saying that the majority of guys in the 200 or less rate are "mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and diseased" is just pure bullshit. Kayla, do you honestly believe the guys that see you don't also see ladies at much lower rates? You're a complete fool if you think they don't! So if those guys are all those things when they see those ladies, what does it make you when they see you?

Here's some history on you Kayla, seems you'll play at the shallow end of the pool when it suits you. I'd bet there is more that doesn't get reviewed.

08/28/2013 - saw doogie44 for 220 + tip for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=842580

04/02/2013 - saw BigButtLover1 for 200 for 90 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=733552

11/02/2012 - saw mirkovicdr for 200 for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=591083

12/08/2011 - sinkerswim for 200 for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=340128

01/07/2011 - Cleared to Land - for 170 for 60+ minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=156403

01/08/2011 - melott - for 200 for 60+ minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=155332

11/12/2010 - rubberbiscuit - for 170 for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=127020

08/27/2010 - huskerdude - 170 for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=92094

07/22/2010 - dallashall - 170 for 60 minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=75830

06/18/2010 - shackdaddy - 180 for 60+ minutes L2
http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=62316

Guys, if you've seen ladies at less than 200 or even at 200, might wanna rethink seeing Kayla, according to her we're all "mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and diseased". I don't care what your rate is, if I know you think that about me, I sure as fuck ain't seeing you or suggesting some to see you.

In the end, Ladies do what you feel works best for you, Guys do the same, this shit isn't rocket science.

Just my "mean, nasty, dirty, smelly and diseased" opinion as someone that's seen ladies at every rate.

P.S. I hobby based on the lady, not on her rate!

Grace, just put this link on your sig line and tell all the guy's to listen to every word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8LqkzsI2-0

CG

Why would Kayla think there is so much disease at the under 200 rate? There are many quality providers that charge 150, 160, 180, whatever. And they use CONDOMS and don't get any more disease than the 500 girl. And the average "working man" also takes care of himself and doesn't get disease. Sometimes a provider just catches a client's eye in a post or an ad or review and he wants to see her. Then goes to her showcase and sees her rates and pays accordingly, if he can afford it. A lot of nice, professional men see providers under 200. Where is all this disease coming from? The only "providers" I would be wary of are the streetwalkers getting 40-60 a pop. And also an extremely high volume provider who's incall is a revolving door. And a provider should be wary of clients asking for BB, because if they're asking, they've done it with other providers. And that happens at all the "levels" Kayla says exist.

That's an interesting point. Rates that are up there, several hundreds of dollars, I would be inclined to say MORE BB happens at those rates than the $120 girl who's new to the business. I know if i'm paying $500 or so, $1,000 or whatever, going without a rubber would be something I'd take into account if I'm paying that much. Paying that much for pussy is just decoration. Sure, some pussies are tighter and look and feel better than others, throw in hygiene as well, but beyond superficial features, there is NOT that much difference.

Guys who pay that much quite possibly might have different expectations (i.e. may want bb). Just saying. I know I would if I was paying that much.

That's an interesting point. Rates that are up there, several hundreds of dollars, I would be inclined to say MORE BB happens at those rates than the $120 girl who's new to the business. I know if i'm paying $500 or so, $1,000 or whatever, going without a rubber would be something I'd take into account if I'm paying that much. Paying that much for pussy is just decoration. Sure, some pussies are tighter and look and feel better than others, throw in hygiene as well, but beyond superficial features, there is NOT that much difference.

Guys who pay that much quite possibly might have different expectations (i.e. may want bb). Just saying. I know I would if I was paying that much. Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

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Going BB with a provider? I wouldn't think the high dollar or low dollar escorts would take the chance with that, and it's also risky for the client. A lot of people don't know they have the virus that causes genital warts or chlamydia. And then there's the pregnancy risk. But each to his own. None of us men WANT to wear a condom, but it makes the provider and client feel safer, I think. But I would suggest very frequent doctor's appointments to check for STD's. For both of you, if you engage in this behavior.

Somehow, you're skating over the point (Maximus). The logic, at least the way I see it, is if a guy is willing to pay THAT MUCH MORE, he might be inclined to expect a more favorable encounter. I mean, why pay $1,000 for some when a $200 girl is going to feel the same? You're paying extra for the experience of greater perks, plus rewarding her for her lavish lifestyle. You think they're always putting a rubber on? Always? Every time? Shit, man.

If I was in that league, I dunno. I might not want to put it on all the time. It's a different league up there, and a different mindset.

Yeah I dont agree under 200 means more STDs as it only takes 1 to catch something, but ill have to agree the lower the price the more you see the crazies. I did 200 before and I do prefer the clientele I get with my current rate.

That's an interesting point. Rates that are up there, several hundreds of dollars, I would be inclined to say MORE BB happens at those rates than the $120 girl who's new to the business. I know if i'm paying $500 or so, $1,000 or whatever, going without a rubber would be something I'd take into account if I'm paying that much. Paying that much for pussy is just decoration. Sure, some pussies are tighter and look and feel better than others, throw in hygiene as well, but beyond superficial features, there is NOT that much difference.

Guys who pay that much quite possibly might have different expectations (i.e. may want bb). Just saying. I know I would if I was paying that much. Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

Sweetie that is the perspective of men who don't have money to blow.
I have gotten tipped several hundred dollars on top of my rates.

Quite honestly I also seem to get like 50% more multi hour appointments at my rate now than I did at 250, at 250 everyone just wanted 1 hour.

Yet at 400, people want 2-3 hour dates. I got more guys trying to take off the rubber at 250 too. The men I see at my rates now are the absolute sweetest men I have ever met yet.
My personal experience is that men who pay 350+ rates, have the money to blow because they tip more ( I get tipped more now than I ever did before, and not $10 tips either more like $100+) they probably have a million or atleast several hundred thousand, $1000 is pocket change. A couple 1000 appts a month can make up for like 8+ guys at 250. Which means you can make about the same off 5-10 appts as you would 20.

If its outcall, room service is ordered and drinks, some kind of little gift like expensive perfume or a VS gift card, etc. It's amazing and that why I love what I do. Now I do think if you charge 350+ you need to do all you can to be perfect.
That's what the higher rates are for, to guarantee I WILL be as hot as my pictures, and to make sure I am not going to need to upsell you, and to make sure I will be on time.

I can not speak for any other women but these are the standards I hold myself to. I know that trying to be perfect and as Hot as possible is not a big deal for some in their lives. But it is #1 in my life, I charge higher rates because I am giving out superior exemplary service, and portraying the ideal Americanized body image Big boobs, small waist, in shape, and would accept myself giving out nothing less.

The only short fall is they don't write reviews, and they don't participate in the communities as much as men who like lower rates.

I chalk this up to them having very busy schedules, because when you make that much money you have a whole lot to lose and most aren't trying to leave paper trails.


This post is not to offend any other women or men, it is stating my own experiences and opinions as everyone is entitled in America. Including what rates they are comfortable paying and charging.

XoXo Mya Michelle

Odd-- I've ran the gamut from $125 to $300 over the course of my time-- and I've not once had anyone try to take off their condom. I did have more inquire as to the availability of BB services at the higher end of that range, but I've never had someone try to "go guerilla" on me. Of course, I've also been blessed to not have issues with "crazies".. so I suppose my persona helps keep a lot of that nonsense at bay.

Really-- this isn't a matter of valuation. Most of the gents who have seen me can vouch that I'm "worth" the higher rates that I've charged in the past. While I am far from "perfect".. I'm known for having a beautiful face and a fantabulous personality-- along with great skills BCD. This is more of a matter of needing consistency that the higher rates do not always bring. In the past, I've traveled heavily and now I am in the position of needing to not travel so that I can pursue my educational goals. Between the market here in Dallas, and my schedule-- I need to be priced at a rate where I can guarantee that if I have 2 appointments available, both will be taken.

I will briefly address Rambo's theory regarding higher rates and men expecting bb, as at one point (years ago) I worked for an agency and (500-1,000) was the going rate in a big city for any of us girls. I never once had a client ask for BBFS or attempt it. In fact, at that level, multiple hours tended to be the norm, with much less actual bedroom time taking place (client preference, was more like a date). Just speaking from my personal experience....

Sweetie that is the perspective of men who don't have money to blow.
I have gotten tipped several hundred dollars on top of my rates.

Quite honestly I also seem to get like 50% more multi hour appointments at my rate now than I did at 250, at 250 everyone just wanted 1 hour.

Yet at 400, people want 2-3 hour dates. I got more guys trying to take off the rubber at 250 too. The men I see at my rates now are the absolute sweetest men I have ever met yet.
My personal experience is that men who pay 350+ rates, have the money to blow because they tip more ( I get tipped more now than I ever did before, and not $10 tips either more like $100+) they probably have a million or atleast several hundred thousand, $1000 is pocket change. A couple 1000 appts a month can make up for like 8+ guys at 250. Which means you can make about the same off 5-10 appts as you would 20.

If its outcall, room service is ordered and drinks, some kind of little gift like expensive perfume or a VS gift card, etc. It's amazing and that why I love what I do. Now I do think if you charge 350+ you need to do all you can to be perfect.
That's what the higher rates are for, to guarantee I WILL be as hot as my pictures, and to make sure I am not going to need to upsell you, and to make sure I will be on time.

I can not speak for any other women but these are the standards I hold myself to. I know that trying to be perfect and as Hot as possible is not a big deal for some in their lives. But it is #1 in my life, I charge higher rates because I am giving out superior exemplary service, and portraying the ideal Americanized body image Big boobs, small waist, in shape, and would accept myself giving out nothing less.

The only short fall is they don't write reviews, and they don't participate in the communities as much as men who like lower rates.

I chalk this up to them having very busy schedules, because when you make that much money you have a whole lot to lose and most aren't trying to leave paper trails.


This post is not to offend any other women or men, it is stating my own experiences and opinions as everyone is entitled in America. Including what rates they are comfortable paying and charging.

XoXo Mya Michelle Originally Posted by VIP Mya Michelle

Says the chick that wrote her own reviews with her male handle, yep so much for your "high standards".

I want to interrupt this thread to thank Grace for using the word "fantabulous". It is not uttered nearly enough these days.

Besides, it's a fantabulous night to make romance.

Now, back to the bickering....

Can't help it. I love a little whimsy. Nothing wrong with fun words