Its not me, its you........ Yes, some of yall are fugly.

So you pick the Providers you see based on???? Originally Posted by SweetDulce

A number if factors.
--Does she interest me based upon what she says in posts, web site, ads. In other words, if I spend several hours with her, will she keep me interested at dinners as well as in private.
--Personality (somewhat connected to the item above, but not the same)
--Reviews/recommendations from people I trust (M or F)
--A combination of availability/location/price

Those are in order of importance to me.

Most men start with looks when choosing a lady. But some men want so desperately to be liked that they pick women that pretend or are great actresses, the men are so desperate to be liked they know she is pretending but are willing to settle for that instead true companionship. But guys like me that just want a release look for beauty first. Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

What a shame you couldn't quit while you were ahead--with just your first and last sentences. If you had,you would finally have made an adult--like contribution.

But no, you have to continue your child-like rant, trying to convince the world that anyone with different experiences must be a liar or a fool. Sad, really. I truly do pity you as a bitter old(?) man who is convinced that any smile or kindess is a sinister plot to deceive you.

So instead of answering whether you believe what you say applies to both sexes (or whethet you are truly the mysoginist you apear to be), you intentionally misread out of context. I say intentionally because you do not seem to be stupid--just excessively egotistial.

See what I mean papadee, Old-T gets very judgmental, lmao. I am egotistical and child like because my opinion varies from his. Do you think maybe I hit a nerve, right on target. My comment was not directed toward him, must of hit a nerve and we get the ugly comment from him, who is child like, maybe look in the mirror.

He paid her. She didn't enjoy the session, he may not have enjoyed it. He never reviewed her.
I don't see what the issue is, or why she would start this thread.
Not reviewing someone is better than a "No" review. Keep quiet and hope nobody finds out.

He paid her. She didn't enjoy the session, he may not have enjoyed it. He never reviewed her.
I don't see what the issue is, or why she would start this thread.
Not reviewing someone is better than a "No" review. Keep quiet and hope nobody finds out. Originally Posted by Warptcuck

Because your reading comprehension SUCKS thats why

Almost all complex species procreation is first and foremost based on looks. No reason the hooker species would be any different...

See what I mean papadee, Old-T gets very judgmental, lmao. I am egotistical and child like because my opinion varies from his. Do you think maybe I hit a nerve, right on target. My comment was not directed toward him, must of hit a nerve and we get the ugly comment from him, who is child like, maybe look in the mirror. Originally Posted by gentlemantoo

No, you are egotistical because you mock any opinion that differs from yours.

You are childlike becuase you see the world in binary terms--though you pretend to claim otherwise, your subsequent words betray you.

And for you to pretend that your comment was not directed at me is a complete joke.

So, for a 3rd time: do you give women the same right to be compensated when tbe man walks away from an agreed upon transaction? Or will you confirm what most already know about you?

Almost all complex species procreation is first and foremost based on looks. No reason the hooker species would be any different... Originally Posted by Wakeup

Most of them are based on ability. Looks are important to the bird species but most mammals duke it out and the one that get's his ass kicked doesn't get fucked. The big ugly animal get's all the pussy in the world if he's tough. Not so true with humans but even a woman wants a man that can handle himself

Old-T it seems you are getting upset. Remember this is just a silly hooker board. You and I will most likely never meet in person, none of this matters to me as it should not matter to you either.

You want your question answered but you have refused to answer my question which I asked way back before you attempted to flip the situation. I will try to be specific for you and maybe we can answer each other's questions.

Your scenario was a lady drives 2 hours to see client, opens the door and he is a 400 pound jaba the hut - Freddie Kruger looking guy so she refuses service, why does she not deserve her costs? Answer: she has not earned it, no service no pay. Real easy to figure that one out.

I asked why do you think only female providers deserve their costs? I mean if I call a plumber for a repai, he shows up sees the problem and says it is too complex for me he does not have the proper tools to fix my problem but he drove to my house would you pay him costs. I doubt it because he is not a female provider. See? Plumber deserves nothing, no service no pay, get my position? Has everything to do with consistency for ALL Mercedes dealers, plumbers, and providers no service no pay.

Your scenario says because he looks horrible and should know it he should pay her costs when SHE refuses service. I think you are being inconsistent. Then you discuss who ever refuses service is to blame and should pay costs. Which is it? So for how many times I have asked , I do not remember, why should only female providers get cost and not plumbers nor Mercedes dealers?

I don't care what a client looks like as long as he reads my website and doesn't ask me dumbass questions that could be answered by you know, reading my website.

What is "upsetting" is your continued drivel and intentional misrepresentation. I find those practices wrong, be it here, in my business, or in my social life. And I tend to push back against many ideas. But don't think for a moment that you are affecting my blood pressure or that I consider your posts important to my real life. They are mostly for my amusement, and an opportunity to point to new members that not everyone shares your dour opinion of people.

My position has nothing to do with "man" or "woman", and nothing to do with the nature of the transaction.

I will make one more attemt to get past your stuborness, and then you can anoint yourself the "winner".

1. IF a man is exceptionally ugly he knows it. If he does not mention that, he is being less than honest. Just as if a lady says "35+ y/o only" and a guy "forgets" to mention he is 22. Just as I would be if I told a plumber I had a "small leak" when in fact I had 3 feet of water in my basement.

2. A transaction between two individuals is NOT the same as me interacting with a mercedes dealer. A company can and does have the opportunity to take those "time waster" losses and more easily account for them in overhead to recoup them. For a lady seeing a couple guys a week that is economically much harder to recoup, and the margin she--and many similar sole proprirers have--work with is vastly diffefent than a large business. Your mercedes example is flawed.

3. So my belief is when two individuals are involved and one person calls off a transacion for gray area cause, then most the time there should be SHARED (you keep missing that part) costs since most the time there is SHARED responsibility. I believe that should hold for both sides, escorts or plumbers, men or women.

4. So back to your evasion: why do to find no problem penalizing only the woman in this transacion, but remain silent if it is reversed? My point is gender independent, yours seems to not be.

But under all your posts is the fundamental issue that you cannot stand that some people do not see this business the way you see it. You have no real chemistry with any of the ladies because you don't want any and do not allow it. Nothing wrong with that. But you cannot accept that sometimes a lady in this business could actually like some her clients--not "fall in love with", but over time develop some common interests and friendships. So since that doesn't happen to you, you need to redicle the idea that it could happen to anyone--and you need to push that mantra into conversations whether it fits or not.

... I truly do pity you as a bitter old(?) man who is convinced that any smile or kindness is a sinister plot to deceive you. ... Originally Posted by Old-T

... But under all your posts is the fundamental issue that you cannot stand that some people do not see this business the way you see it. You have no real chemistry with any of the ladies because you don't want any and do not allow it. Nothing wrong with that. But you cannot accept that sometimes a lady in this business could actually like some her clients--not "fall in love with", but over time develop some common interests and friendships. So since that doesn't happen to you, you need to ridicule the idea that it could happen to anyone--and you need to push that mantra into conversations whether it fits or not.
Originally Posted by Old-T

Old-T, I think you've hit the G2 nail squarely on the head here. Because, in a perverse way, he's partially correct: any time he gets a smile or kindness from a woman, it probably really is deceptive, because of his wonderful personality. For guys living in a septic tank, a shitty outlook on life is unavoidable. And for a guy who lives in a septic tank and has no imagination, there's no possibility of making him realize that some of us live somewhere else, and our non-shitty outlooks therefore simply have to be acts of self-delusion, or attempts at self-aggrandizement. I see very little chance of a good solution to this problem.

I don't care what a client looks like as long as he reads my website and doesn't ask me dumbass questions that could be answered by you know, reading my website. Originally Posted by Luxie

& the % of that happening probably isn't high because FUCTARDS can't read for chit...

& the % of that happening probably isn't high because FUCTARDS can't read for chit... Originally Posted by Amiliah Rayne

I'm not sure you're all that well-positioned to criticize the language skills of others,content removed NYr

A lot to reply to, I will try to address as much as possible. First let me answer your question, I believe and practice no payment when there is no sale, I keep it easy. I do not believe size of a business determines my values or morals, so if a huge company like Mercedes does not make the sale I do not pay them costs for their time or efforts, nor do I pay the plumber nor a provider. Easy! No sale no pay. I do not think man should be paid if he drove 2 hours was Freddie Kruger she said no. No sale no pay, see easy. I just reversed your hypothetical on blame. She is at fault if she refuses him service to me. I do not share blame in this situation but nor do I consider it. Easy, no service no pay, very consistent.

I think your rules over complicate things, we have to determine who is at fault and how much at fault, how much costs. Just seems to me you always apportion some fault to the man.

Who gets to determine ugly? Very subjective, and I would disagree that all people know they are ugly. Some women find me attractive some do not. If she refuses service to me because she determined I am ugly, that iny opinion is not my fault nor shared fault. If looks were a determining factor for her as race sometimes is, she might want to ask up front after all she owns the business not me, I am a simple customer. Under your rules a man has the duty of telling the lady he is ugly even if he does not know it. He is partially at fault and owes some costs to her. How long will a lady stay in business of she makes 5 appts for $300/hr but 3 of them are too ugly and she collects $100 each for costs. That's a sweet deal for her and would not the plumber love the same deal! I would in my businesses! Every sale I miss out on I get some costs balcony, sweeeet!

Your posts and this thread seem to lean toward always favoring the provider. She gets costs, be real, she is a business person no different than my plumber.

Also Mercedes salesman is not wealthy and works on commission and that is a one on one act should I slip him $100 after I bought my BMW? I disagree that my example is flawed. My life is not set up by all these complicated rules.

How large is company? Can they afford to not make sale without getting some costs back? Whose fault is it that transaction did not complete? How much fault for a shared portion?

I do not penalize women, plumbers or anyone. It is not a penalty when the sale did not complete, easy for me. You must lead a very complicated life, no judgment that works for you, great.

My honesty is not intended as a ridicule nor insult to anyone. If it bothers you maybe I hit on something. It is my honest opinion, easy. I do not concern my self with what others think or if they like me, I am just me. I further do not believe most of the crap I read here and I at times say something, but again I do not judge nor care if you think or believe differently, I don't care.

None of you know me, my age, my experiences, my life, but seems you cast a lot onto me because I do not believe you nor your posts. That is on you. I do push that mantra because it is my opinion.

You seem to be one sided in favoring providers, I think I favor fairness.

I enjoy this banter, it is entertainment and appreciate your participation.