Why no Ukraine "Bribery" thread yet?

Democrats concede when "their guy" does wrong things. Republicans put their fingers in their ears, and say "no no no" as loud as they can. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Fuck that bullshit.

Your ilk still hides behind the fallacious claim that Slick Willie was impeached for getting a BJ in the Oval office: which is a blatant lie to hide the fact that Slick Willie -- this nation's chief executive official charged with enforcing this nation's laws -- perjured himself and suborned perjury in others in violation of this nation's laws. Your ilk concedes only to lying and equivocating at every opportunity.

The fact that the dim-retard governor and lieutenant governor of Virginia are still holding office is a prima facie case of dim-retard hypocrisy.

Biden is enjoying his selective senility.

Your ilk still hides behind the fallacious claim that Slick Willie was impeached for getting a BJ in the Oval office: which is a blatant lie to hide the fact that Slick Willie -- this nation's chief executive official charged with enforcing this nation's laws -- perjured himself Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Slick Willie lied about having got a Blowjob.. and was impeached for it.

Trumps lies have been far more numerous and they affect things like National Security. your side keeps harping about how "the left" is obsessed with Hilary's losing in 2016, but y'all are STILL obsessed that Clinton got a Blowjob and got away with it.

Slick Willie lied about having got a Blowjob.. and was impeached for it.

Trumps lies have been far more numerous and they affect things like National Security. your side keeps harping about how "the left" is obsessed with Hilary's losing in 2016, but y'all are STILL obsessed that Clinton got a Blowjob and got away with it. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You just proved my point by focusing on the Slick Willie's blowjob and ignoring his blatant violation of the law that he was impeached for.

EVERY fucking dim-retard in Congress from Pelosi and Schumer on down has been lying for three years now. When the fuck are you going to quit following Schitty and gNadless's lead?

You just proved my point by focusing on the Slick Willie's blowjob and ignoring his blatant violation of the law that he was impeached for.

EVERY fucking dim-retard in Congress from Pelosi and Schumer on down has been lying for three years now. When the fuck are you going to quit following Schitty and gNadless's lead? Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Never

From yesterday's WSJ. It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.


Trump’s Ukraine Call

Do we really want a President’s private talks with world leaders exposed for all to hear?

By The Editorial Board
Sept. 22, 2019 5:43 pm ET

The story of Donald Trump’s phone call to Ukraine’s new president is unfolding in the familiar if depressing Trump-era pattern. An accusation leaks from an unidentified intelligence source about the President’s July 25 call, and his political and media opponents immediately conclude he has betrayed America and deserves censure or impeachment. Mr. Trump says the conversation was “perfectly fine and routine.” The public is left to sort the truth from the partisan histrionics.

Mr. Trump acknowledges that he asked Ukraine’s new President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden as part of his effort to clean up corruption. More on Mr. Biden later, but Mr. Trump’s request showed bad judgment. He was trying to draw a foreign leader into the middle of American presidential politics, which can only lead to political trouble. We learned that from the Russia fiasco of 2016.

The request to Mr. Zelensky is worse if it came with a threat to cut off U.S. military aid. Mr. Trump and others say there was no quid pro quo request. But we know the Trump Administration delayed U.S. aid to Ukraine in early July for unexplained reasons. The U.S. released the aid later after bipartisan criticism of the delay. Mr. Zelensky surely understood the potential risk of not complying with Mr. Trump’s request even if Mr. Trump wasn’t explicit.

What we know of the call underscores Mr. Trump’s greatest flaw as President, which is his political narcissism. Every decision boils down to how it affects him or his re-election prospects. Other Presidents have made similar calculations, but Mr. Trump lacks the basic filter to know when he is crossing a line that creates trouble for himself or the country.

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Yet in making sense of all this it’s impossible to ignore the excesses and double standards of Mr. Trump’s opponents. Like the Russia collusion claims, this one began with a charge from an unidentified source in the intelligence bureaucracy. He’s reported to be a “whistleblower,” but we know nothing about his role, his access or his motivation.

An inspector general has found the claim credible enough to require reporting to Congress’s intelligence committees. But the acting director of national intelligence disagrees after consulting with the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel. As we read the relevant whistleblower statute, section 3033(k), it doesn’t seem to apply to the President and probably not even to the substance of this accusation.

More troubling is that none of the whistleblower’s cheerleaders in the press and Congress seem to care about the precedent of making a President’s private calls with other world leaders open to public scrutiny. Imagine if this happened to JFK’s calls amid the Cuban Missile Crisis or to Richard Nixon’s during the Arab-Israeli war of 1973. We have reached a dangerous pass if intelligence officials feel they have open season to use whistleblower laws whenever they dislike a President or one of his policies.

Then there is the failure of Mr. Trump’s critics to appreciate that to millions of Americans this all looks like Russia redux. That melodrama started with intelligence accusations and dubious “unmasking” of Americans that we later learned came from Obama Administration officials. That doesn’t justify Mr. Trump’s request, but it does explain why Republicans aren’t joining the rush to judgment.

Little of the breathless reporting about Mr. Trump’s Ukraine call stops to note that Democrats and the Clinton campaign financed foreign accusations against Mr. Trump to defeat him in 2016. Those accusations, though uncorroborated, were used to justify wiretaps against at least one Trump campaign official, and to gin up a two-year special counsel investigation that severely damaged the Trump Presidency. All without finding evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.

As for Mr. Biden, the excavation of Mr. Trump’s call means his interventions in Ukraine will also get a thorough vetting. As vice president, Mr. Biden threatened to withhold U.S. loan guarantees to a previous Ukraine government if a prosecutor investigating corruption wasn’t fired. The prosecutor was investigating, among other things, a Ukrainian natural gas company that hired Hunter Biden, Joe’s son, as a director and also retained Hunter’s law firm. The prosecutor was fired.

Joe Biden says his demand was in the U.S. national interest and had nothing to do with his son. That may be true, but it does appear to be the kind of a conflict of interest that Democrats accuse Mr. Trump of having all the time with less evidence.

All of this is likely to play out in the familiar Trump-era fashion, with Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff making claims that turn out to be exaggerated, the media resistance hyping impeachment, and Mr. Trump fighting back in tweets that call the whole thing a hoax. Without evidence of worse behavior by Mr. Trump, nothing much is likely to come of it.

Americans will have to add all this to their judgment in 2020 about whether Mr. Trump or his fanatical opponents are the bigger risk to American well-being.

Slick Willie lied about having got a Blowjob.. and was impeached for it.

Trumps lies have been far more numerous and they affect things like National Security. your side keeps harping about how "the left" is obsessed with Hilary's losing in 2016, but y'all are STILL obsessed that Clinton got a Blowjob and got away with it. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Bullshit.

President Clinton lied under oath about it. It's called PERJURY. He's perp one of #MeToo movement but the dims circle the wagon to protect him. And it wasn't just Lewinsky.

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You just proved my point by focusing on the Slick Willie's blowjob and ignoring his blatant violation of the law that he was impeached for. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

huh? how did I ignore his violation of the law? I said he was impeached for it.

Bullshit.

President Clinton lied under oath about it. It's called PERJURY. Originally Posted by gnadfly

bullshit what? I said he lied and got impeached for lying. I know it is called perjury. is that word so golden you have to see it in print??

huh? how did I ignore his violation of the law? I said he was impeached for it.



bullshit what? I said he lied and got impeached for lying. I know it is called perjury. is that word so golden you have to see it in print?? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Chung these Trump apologists are embarrassed so they only hope to double down. Their phony "outrage: keeps them from examining themselves and how pathetic they are

huh? how did I ignore his violation of the law? I said he was impeached for it.



bullshit what? I said he lied and got impeached for lying. I know it is called perjury. is that word so golden you have to see it in print?? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

He was impeached also for suborning perjury.

How bout you get up on stage and tell all the Trump supporters that? You know,like a test.

Chung these Trump apologists are embarrassed so they only hope to double down. Their phony "outrage: keeps them from examining themselves and how pathetic they are Originally Posted by themystic

the idea that Trump draws big crowds means nothing substantial. Hitler drew enormous crowds. just saying.

the idea that Trump draws big crowds means nothing substantial. Hitler drew enormous crowds. just saying. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Hitler won the election, too, didn't he?