Mass Shooting in Orlando

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  • Aoi
  • 06-12-2016, 09:59 PM
if that were the case Dallas and Houston would have low homicide rates when both cities have laws which allow citizens to have guns. They have done many reports on violent crime f states that allow concealed weapons and states that don't and concluded that states with gun permits don't affect crime:https://www.texastribune.org/2015/09...nt-affect-cri/ Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt
It affects people who would otherwise not be carrying.

And crimes are always going to be high, because of too many stupid people.
Geee. A man wearing an oversized shirt comes skulking towards a club. I'm sure the armed guards who are trained to be ready for situations involving hostiles will not see that coming!

Do you know anything about how guns work? First of all, you';re not going to hide a rifle in a shirt. That's stupid. And second, the moment the guards see something like this, they're going to draw and prepare to down before he steps within spitting distance of the door. Originally Posted by Aoi
You are a real fool- You ever heard of drive by shootings- you don't see them coming? What would stop someone from driving up to the entrance of the club jump out and start spraying? Did Israel ever find a solution to suicide bombers???

Also, I am still waiting for you to quote that verse from the Quran.
Do you just not understand basic Arithmetics? If you have 3.3 million Muslims and you bring in 1 million MORE Muslims, you have MORE chances of potential terrorists.

Seriously, how old are you? How are you so stupid that you can't even separate the argument?

Go back to school. Even with common core, I'm sure you can learn to add.



Ban Muslims. Because you don't know math.



My point is that, people like you always defend Islam as something other than an inherently violent religion. History has proven why this is wrong. What is going on right now in the ME proves this is wrong. What happened to this club, Brussels, Paris, 911, etc etc proves that Islam is a religion of conquest, subjugation and discrimination. And Baghdadi actually having scholarly backing on this and still doing it, proves this. It's not right at all. You know what religion says it's right to kill people?

ISLAM.



There's a difference between individuals who assimilate into Western culture and freedoms VS individuals who practice the religion down to it's core scriptures. Islam is not a fucking religion of peace. Get that through your head. Islam is evil.



More progressive bullshit. This guy was not a psycho. He was of sound-mind. He was brown, raised and even assimilated into Western culture. ISIS was founded by a man who wants to literally practice Islam down to its core. Just like Al-Queda and other terrorist cells. Are they all just a bunch of nutjob, or do you think, maybe, just MAYBE, there is some truth in what they believe about chopping off heads? This isn't some fringe group. This is ISLAM. Stop defending this death group. You don't have to pretend to be morally superior by trying to disassociate ISIS with Islam. The two are very linked.



I am not condemning an entire group of Muslims. Why the fuck does everyone have to turn to this argument? I'm saying ISLAM is an evil religion. I'm saying that you CAN associate Islam to the violence that they have brought upon to others because it keeps fucking happening. Stop with the bullshit straw man arguments and actually pay attention to what is going on.

Islam is an evil religion. The people who practice the religion peacefully are actually the true "radicals" because they don't do everything they are told to do. Pull your head out of your ass. Originally Posted by Aoi
Funny, you say Islam is evil- and again I am no muslim, but last Friday we mourned the death of perhaps the most popular muslim worldwide in our lifetime in Muhammad Ali- he has done more and affected more people in his life than you will ever do in 10 lifetimes- but he followed an evil religion right?
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not sure why I'm bothering, but both of you have made good points.. the argument is DOA, because, like National discourse on almost any important subject becomes, each side demagogues the other's position.. taking micro points and stretching them into macro ideas, in order to knock the other side.

nobody has attacked the entire Muslim religion, but the "left" will always use that as its fallback argument.. radical Islam is the problem, which the left can't even bring itself to say, let alone fashion a response against it.
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  • Aoi
  • 06-12-2016, 10:36 PM
Funny, you say Islam is evil- and again I am no muslim, but last Friday we mourned the death of perhaps the most popular muslim worldwide in our lifetime in Muhammad Ali- he has done more and affected more people in his life than you will ever do in 10 lifetimes- but he followed an evil religion right? Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt
Ali was a racist piece of shit. And why don't you learn how to Google?

I sure as shit didn't mourn Ali passing. There were better boxers than him. He was a racist fuck face.
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You are a real fool- You ever heard of drive by shootings- you don't see them coming? What would stop someone from driving up to the entrance of the club jump out and start spraying? Did Israel ever find a solution to suicide bombers??? Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt
Nothing would stop a drive-by unless someone saw it coming, but that's not what happened here. This asshole just walked into a nightclub with an assault rifle and handgun and started blasting. And it took 3 hours to get him out of there. Maybe if there was armed security at the door, then maybe the attack could have been prevented.

I do not believe Islam is an evil religion. I believe evil people practice Islam. When someone is evil, they will use anything to justify their actions. I defend this religion because I have been acquainted with several practitioners in the course of my life who are nothing but honorable people.

Call me or label me what you will. I just don't believe in hate. Nuff said.
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Ali was a racist piece of shit. And why don't you learn how to Google?

I sure as shit didn't mourn Ali passing. There were better boxers than him. He was a racist fuck face. Originally Posted by Aoi
Nothing would stop a drive-by unless someone saw it coming, but that's not what happened here. This asshole just walked into a nightclub with an assault rifle and handgun and started blasting. And it took 3 hours to get him out of there. Maybe if there was armed security at the door, then maybe the attack could have been prevented.

I do not believe Islam is an evil religion. I believe evil people practice Islam. When someone is evil, they will use anything to justify their actions. I defend this religion because I have been acquainted with several practitioners in the course of my life who are nothing but honorable people.

Call me or label me what you will. I just don't believe in hate. Nuff said. Originally Posted by Tx Noob
I agree- I don't believe in religion in itself is evil it's people who practice the religion that do evil things- including Christians. The IRA are prime examples- the Protestants and Catholics were bombing each other every week. The KKK also consider themselves Christians- because they are Christians does that make Christianity a racist religion? You made a very valid point.
I agree- I don't believe in religion in itself is evil it's people who practice the religion that do evil things- including Christians. The IRA are prime examples- the Protestants and Catholics were bombing each other every week. The KKK also consider themselves Christians- because they are Christians does that make Christianity a racist religion? You made a very valid point. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Christianity only has one wide scale mass military esque movement associated with it throughout all of history, and that would be the Crusades.


I could name at least a dozen wars started in the name of Islam that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people since the inception of the religion. Let's not play 'here's an example of this.' If you actually look up the historical examples of militant movements between Christianity and Islam, you'll see a massive and stark difference.
aoi == true keyboard warrior that was probably making the same impassioned neocon arguments semi eloquently back in 2003 for why we need to invade iraq.
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not sure why I'm bothering, but both of you have made good points.. the argument is DOA, because, like National discourse on almost any important subject becomes, each side demagogues the other's position.. taking micro points and stretching them into macro ideas, in order to knock the other side.

nobody has attacked the entire Muslim religion, but the "left" will always use that as its fallback argument.. radical Islam is the problem, which the left can't even bring itself to say, let alone fashion a response against it. Originally Posted by Chung Tran
True, and sometimes the left will blow stuff like this way out of proportion. For me the bottom line on what happened is just some Nut Job saw a couple guys kissing at an airport and decided he was going to shoot up a gay nightclub in response. While that exchange was going on I was watching a report on channel 8 that was saying that the guy was diagnosed bipolar, and that he did have some mental issues going on.
no one can deny that islam as it's practised is an evil fucking religion. it can be argued with some merit that it's an inherently militant religion since it's creation. but so were the rest of monotheistic religions (as well as the atheistic ones aka communism) at some point or the other in the last 2000 yrs. for those denying christian barbarity, read up on the religion's role in spread of imperialism in the americas. oh, or are we gonna let that slide since it only affected those non-white savages? also arent we conveniently forgetting the murder of 6 million jews by neo christian knights aka nazis?

perhaps we should ban introverted students in schools and crazy looking phd students in movie theaters...that should help with all the mass murder in our schools and movie theaters. that isnt any more simplistic than the prescriptions put forth by the trump supporters.
no one can deny that islam as it's practised is an evil fucking religion. it can be argued with some merit that it's an inherently militant religion since it's creation. but so were the rest of monotheistic religions (as well as the atheistic ones aka communism) at some point or the other in the last 2000 yrs. for those denying christian barbarity, read up on the religion's role in spread of imperialism in the americas. oh, or are we gonna let that slide since it only affected those non-white savages? also arent we conveniently forgetting the murder of 6 million jews by neo christian knights aka nazis?

perhaps we should ban introverted students in schools and crazy looking phd students in movie theaters...that should help with all the mass murder in our schools and movie theaters. that isnt any more simplistic than the prescriptions put forth by the trump supporters. Originally Posted by darkwader
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  • Aoi
  • 06-13-2016, 01:51 AM

I do not believe Islam is an evil religion. I believe evil people practice Islam. When someone is evil, they will use anything to justify their actions. I defend this religion because I have been acquainted with several practitioners in the course of my life who are nothing but honorable people.
Originally Posted by Tx Noob
Not an evil religion you say? Bullshit.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

And of those practictioners of Islam, how many of them are assimilated into Western culture? How many were FOB migrants who practiced Sharia law?


Call me or label me what you will. I just don't believe in hate. Nuff said.
It's not hate. It's the truth. Islam is an evil religion. More than Christians, Jews, Catholics and even secular beliefs, Islam has tops the charts for people killede throughout history. Why? Because their prophet specifically tells them to go out and conquer. And chop off heads of those that don't convert.

There is an absolute moral truth here : Islam is evil. The people who you consider honorable do not practice Islam to the letter of the law.

I agree- I don't believe in religion in itself is evil it's people who practice the religion that do evil things- including Christians. The IRA are prime examples- the Protestants and Catholics were bombing each other every week. The KKK also consider themselves Christians- because they are Christians does that make Christianity a racist religion? You made a very valid point.
Except the part where Jesus never tells Christians to go around chopping off heads, whereas, the Quran does. I love it when people who know jack shit about religion try to make this about people. The reality is, certain cultures are inferior. That's not an opinion.

Christianity only has one wide scale mass military esque movement associated with it throughout all of history, and that would be the Crusades.
And the Crusades was a response to.. wait for it... Jihad! So, even the standard leftist response about Christian/Catholic aggression was actually defending itself against Jihadism. Gosh, I hate facts. It completel topples stupid leftists talking points.

aoi == true keyboard warrior that was probably making the same impassioned neocon arguments semi eloquently back in 2003 for why we need to invade iraq.
Actually in 2003, I was still a teen and still in college, so I didn't care and didn't tune in. But now that this is happening, time and time, I am more vocal about expressing my disdain towards a religion that is only taking and never giving. Oh, and yeah, I was one of the people involved in that Garland bombing incident. And I was probably a liberal then.

True, and sometimes the left will blow stuff like this way out of proportion. For me the bottom line on what happened is just some Nut Job saw a couple guys kissing at an airport and decided he was going to shoot up a gay nightclub in response. While that exchange was going on I was watching a report on channel 8 that was saying that the guy was diagnosed bipolar, and that he did have some mental issues going on.
He was also, ya know, practicing a religion that hangs gay people and tosses them off buildings in the country where it is the dominant religion. He also called and pledged to ISIS prior to killing. He was also involved in numerous incidents with people he worked with, making terroristic threats. And his dad praised the Taliban. So, no. It wasn't just an issue of a guy getting triggered by two dudes kissing. It was clearly religiously motivated and militant-powered (ISIS). Just because someone says "It's not about the religion" doesn't mean it isn't.

read up on the religion's role in spread of imperialism in the americas. oh, or are we gonna let that slide since it only affected those non-white savages? also arent we conveniently forgetting the murder of 6 million jews by neo christian knights aka nazis?
Christianity didn't have anything to do with "imperialism." That was politically motivated. That was about the crown. And, honestly, those "non-white savages" had been killing each other for thousands of years prior to anyone from Europe setting food on soil then. They are stupid, uncivilized animals and their sacrifice allowed for the start of civilization.

And the nazis were not Christians. It is well known that Hitler used religion as propoganda. The last time I checked, Jesus never told anyone to kill Jews. In fact, Jesus said forgive them.

You know who said to kill... everyone? Muhommed. See how different the two are?

perhaps we should ban introverted students in schools and crazy looking phd students in movie theaters...that should help with all the mass murder in our schools and movie theaters. that isnt any more simplistic than the prescriptions put forth by the trump supporters.
Or, you know, we could remove all the stupid activist college professors who go around teaching about how evil America is, despite working at an American college, getting paid for by American tax dollars and enjoying American freedoms and benefits.

Trump supporters just want to stop this political correctness bullshit. Call the spade, a spade. Or in this case, call Islam for what it is - an evil death cult responsible for the overwhelming majority of the world's war-related deaths.

And as Chung said, the left will always sugarcoat it as "We can't say this about -X- group of people" It's a stupid straw man because they don't want to acknowledge that, yes, some beliefs are inherently evil, Islam being one of them! The left is one of the reasons why America is in such a shit hole now. Shit like the trans movement, SJWs, constant Muslim dick sucking and BLM is why people are getting sick of liberalism. That's just to name a few.

Facts and logic. God, I hate being right.
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  • Aoi
  • 06-13-2016, 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Tx Noob
It's the truth. Ali said more inflammatory things about whites than Trump said about.. anyone.

Can't handle the truth?

Let's all stop sucking his dead dick. Guy was a piece of shit.